Whats good for the goose ..?

BTW the study referred to by Dave Hansford is here
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1978.
The only articles looked at...

WTF .
So...

http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=12&Itemid=45

Is the Listner seriouls taking a postion against the exsitence of Global warming?

That link on the right caught my attention :-)

The exchange in the comments section, where this story emerges, is also very interesting.

I actually work for a company where people are required to (occasionally) look at porn

Heh – same, I worked at Internal Affairs when the film censors were just starting to consider how to handle online porn. Early 90s I think.

Some of the techies had the time of their...

Cracked me...

Filtering based on IP is inaccurate at best – just because I'm on a VPN via the US, doesn't mean I'm not...

Simon Wilson is likely correct when he said that the furious debates in the blogosphere likely will have zero impact on the election's outcome.

I agree only to the extent that the blogosphere will probably not influence 'the people' directly. But it's influence seems to be mainly on the MSM...

on the other hand, what a great time to start Media7! so much material to work with. The show last night was excellent again. I'm impressed with the consistency in the...

Now... Blog. Was ever a word more heavy with the promise of tedium, more swollen with delusions of relevance. The blow-by-blow, the...

EEEWWW, Cant wait for HDTV, will we be able to see said sweat actually seeping from the pores?

Happily — in this context anyway — it's likely to be a while before TVNZ 7 goes HD – there's just not enough bandwidth at the moment. It's not even being upconverted...

By the look of The Listener's headline headline covering the "viewpoint" two page spread, it seems not even the subs there know what's going on.

"The latest UN Climate Change Conference canvassed many opinions..." – gives the impression that the Bali conference was debating whether climate change...

I can't understand how they get that impression.

Are they guided by this biased group NZCSC to obsfucate the facts or are they fundys themselves in their blinkered willful ignorance.

Because dollars count more...

It is fascinating.

"When the two researchers finished writing their report lastyear, they sent it halfway around the world to Chris deFreitas, an associate professor in the school of geography andenvironmental science at the University of Auckland, in NewZealand."

Halfway around the world – hmm -...

Tell me our farmers and shouldn't be thinking about carbon neutrality...

Was ever a word more heavy with the promise of tedium, more swollen with delusions of relevance

"Sunday"

Paul:

the feature about the woman who, when she is not having sex with strangers, works in PR.

Many would say that those two things are metaphorically exactly the same.

Tom: "Sunday": heh.

the feature about the woman who, when she is not having sex with strangers, works in PR.

Many would say that those two things are metaphorically exactly the same.

The two also seem to go hand-in-glove in a literal sense.

Business is flocking to the global warming scenario in droves, but we shouldn't think that that is because they think it's caused by man's environmental mismanagement. They only support it becasue it's in their own self-interest to do so...much like our politicians.

Yes, and that's largely the point of the...

The two also seem to go hand-in-glove in a literal sense.

What? PR women have sex with gloves? Or with gloves on?

The excerpts that were (not) printed don't sound all that shocking; well, not to anyone who follows links from Fleshbot. Whatever that might be. Besides, it all sound...

Business is flocking to the global warming scenario in droves

As in relocating to Thailand and Mexico? *sigh*

Mr Brown, is there a good non-commercial reason why you wrote:

yes, it has a scan of the page everyone's talking about. You can see that in the Media7 blog.

rather than:

yes, it has a scan of the page everyone's talking...

purty purty puhlease.....

I guess that's what happens with lifestyle mags. If you want incisive political comment, read Metro.

Ahahhaa. Mmmm, that's good satire!

Are we being herded here? :-)

(I don't mind being herded, but just found it an interesting insight into the world of professional blogging, maybe).

For sure. Given that the story "belonged" to Media7, and given that it would be good to drive a little traffic to the Media7 blog,...

any direct links to d/l the three parts of Media7 as per last week?
purty purty puhlease.....

It does come up pretty well on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TVNZMedia7

any direct links to d/l the three parts of Media7 as per last week?

un
deux
trois
voilà!

I just think Hansford was a piss poor columnist who either recycled the latest Greenpeace media release or spouted "sustainable" banalities with little logic in his eco.

Probably? Wouldn't it be prudent to, like, read the column?

But that might spoil things.

un
deux
trois
voilà!

thanks.

appreciate it, so much better burnt and on the big(ger) screen.

stats on the TVNZ ondemand version

loading and playing in the background to maintain honest stats....

Probably? Wouldn't it be prudent to, like, read the column?

But that might spoil things.

Sorry to spoil things for you Russell, I actually did read the hansford article plus the hilarious letter from the Heritage guy. Not caught up with the latest issue.

DH spouted the usual oil company...

16April a story on Climate Change :)

14April a story on Carbon :)

14April Gary McCormick fence sitting so as not to get the bash from Simon Barnett :(

11April Good story from Reuters – 1/3 of oceans warming :)

10April Propaganda from the...

I wouldnt travel in a plane that was "very likey" to reach its destination

Or you could use an analogy that made sense and related to the debate at hand.

Because you're already on board the plane, and scientists are telling that you should get off because there's a problem...

The one thing we have to thank Climate Change deniers about is checking Green Hyperbole.

Al Gore is guilty of it in regard to NZ role in saving the Pacific. We are guilty of in...

As an ex-Listener staffer who's out of the loop these days, I'm just curious: who are the other Listener columnists who have been pushed in the last month?

Joseph Romanos is no longer in there...

None are in the past month and Romanos was a few years ago.

I know that sounds pedantic, but to imply that Hansford was just one of a whole lot...

As such, it was indeed a temporary arrangement. But it was not terminated on the due date, and continued...

I thought you were one of them Philip! John Drinnan today says "Ussher [who has left as well] joins a long list of long-time staffers who have left the magazine and past luminaries include Denis Welch, Bruce Ansley, Alastair Bone and Phillip Matthews."

Joseph Romanos is no longer in there...

What do a bunch of people in Sydney care if we get a shit product...

They care very much if it goes down the toilet, because people don't buy it. And to be quite blunt, Tom, I don't recall The Herald or The Listener being that wonderful under domestic ownership...

The "correction" covers statements he didn't actually make, and would seem to have...

They care very much if it goes down the toilet, because people don't buy it. And to be quite blunt, Tom, I don't recall The Herald or The Listener being that wonderful under domestic ownership.

They don't care if it goes down the toilet. They care if people stop buying...

But just for some light relief, the Kiwiblog commenters on this case and climate change in general. Yes, you do have to laugh.

Not quite so funny are commentators on this case who apparently don't know — or just don't care — about taking the post hoc fallacy out for...

It may end up with TVNZ buying the gear and hiring it out at affordable rates.

Sorry, not a snowball's chance in hell. That's so far from how TVNZ does things that I'd fall off my chair if it...

Anyone who feels so inclined may wish to email the Listener to share their views on this issue.

Kia ora

Says all you need to know really.

So the editor of the Listener doesn't deign (yet) to respond to Poneke's emails and the magazine uses the threat of litigation to shut down discussion on the internet.

Says all you need to know really.

Theatre. If there's any prospect of litigation, Stirling would be a fucking fool to...

Theatre. If there's any prospect of litigation, Stirling would be a fucking fool to start entering into any correspondence on the matter with anyone.

I don't agree at all. She talked at length with John Drinnan; she could have replied to Poneke. Perhaps she might have if he'd got in...

"...I suspect that the Listener found they could be facing an employment court action if they did not come to the defense of the Editor..."

But as Russell says, any response would have been printed promptly, and verbatim. The subject...

Love to see the political panel back to see if...

The comments at hot-topic were nothing like the sort of sewer you get from the kiwiblog right.

Tom: Speaking as someone who's been actionably defamed by both the rabid right and the loony left trolls on that particular forum, you might want to set your moral bar a little higher...

For goodness sake, Craig: read the post in question before you start throwing around Wishart comparisons.

Sorry, was "I'll make it clear right now that I don't think that's a fair characterisation of Poneke or Hot Topic" somehow ambiguous? I think' my contempt for Wishart and his rag (which you...

The correction and apology itself is pretty damning. You can often tell how wrong someone has got it by the level of the correction.

Note it wasn't just a clarification but an all out correction and apology. If you have ever tried to get one from the media, you know...

They could have taken down the post temporarily until they got that advice.

Seems...

Hot Topic is part funded by AUT Media, a professional publishing company, just like APN. Sounds like a contest of equals to me.

Um, not quite... I had to seriously self-censor last week's PA Radio commentary, because I came to the conclusion that my (shall we say) unfiltered opinion of...

It's important to remember the fundamental issue that provoked this saga, which has given us an...

Climate change is the single biggest, most important environmental threat New Zealanders face, and the media, by pandering to the denial industry, has manifestly failed to give them the quality of information they need to respond to it. Meanwhile, we squander our most precious resource; time.

Hey, you write pretty...

http://flatearthersnz.blogspot.com/

The NZCSC had diner with Don Brash, but some others were left out in the cold.

That's choice.

when we were told our stories had an endorsing (of science) tone.

*blinks*

That's it. I really do live in a post-Enlightenment epoch. Guess I better start stockpiling ammo for the next Dark Ages.

when we were told our stories had an endorsing (of science) tone.

I think part of the problem with this whole debate is that there is not one person – to my knowledge – employed as a science reporter by the daily mainstream media in New Zealand. Not one.

I...

I think part of the problem with this whole debate is that there is not one person – to my knowledge – employed as a science reporter by the daily mainstream media in New Zealand. Not one.

Precisely. The sceptics get away with publishing nonsense because there's no-one...

And furthermore, harking back to the endorsing science comment, we don't ask...

Just be aware of who they are and how many they...

One is that like many posters here I'd like to see greater scientific literacy, if thats the word, among journalists. There's an inbuilt bias away from the sciences in journalism, because most of us (myself included) are artsy types.

Its of particular concern, I guess, because our...

I think part of the problem with this whole debate is that there is not one person – to my knowledge – employed as a science reporter by the daily mainstream media in New Zealand.

Something that makes me gloomy is that TV3 trot out DOCTOR Lillian Ng (their emphasis)...

Right, but expertise informs that debate.

Climate scientists surely don't get to weigh policy outcomes, goals, etc, but their assessment of the state of affairs...

I know that we do train our doctors to a certain level of epidemiological knowledge, but mostly they're learning how to make us well, not understanding the nuances of the clinical research in the background.

Sure, but I'd like to think professional communicators would display some level of literacy and...

I'd like to think professional communicators would display some level of literacy and numeracy (or basic research skills) that wouldn't lead to utter bullshit like the rash of 'anti-depressants don't work – studies show' stories that were doing the rounds a few weeks back.

That is an interesting example --...

The Paranoid Style in American Science

Both links nicked from Ben Goldacre.

Something that makes me gloomy is that TV3 trot out DOCTOR Lillian Ng (their emphasis) on health issues. I think this adds a certain richness to some issues, but I lament her interpretation of health research.

A couple of months back, TV3 had imported some 'vaccines cause autism' story, which...

They had Mike McRoberts talk to Lilian Ng afterwards, and she was... almost scathing. Certainly pissy. My respect level for her went right up.

That's fucking awesome. I'd be very happy to see more of that sort of thing.
(I think I might have seen a spoiler for that, picked...

That's fucking awesome.

Yep, that's good.

That vaccine compensation story was reported badly nearly everywhere. The young woman compensated suffered an adverse reaction to a vaccine that left her with some symptoms that were like some of those of autism. It wasn't anything like "proof that vaccines cause autism".

Meanwhile,...

Meanwhile, sadly, Obama and Clinton have joined McCain in paying lip service to pseudoscience with respect to this issue.

Blech. I especially like the bit at the end of that link

'Of course, "calling for more research" is the cop-out that all politicians use whenever there's an issue that is...