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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:53:55 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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				<author>Danielle</author>
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						<p>Word UP. (My red codpiece of 80s funk salutes you.)</p><p>It's also pretty demeaning to blokes, as if they are Incapable! of Restraining! Themselves! due to their animalistic penis-brains. Erm, no.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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				<author>Craig Ranapia</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Is this what the women's movement was fighting for? The right to get wasted on equal terms with men?</p></blockquote><p>Yes?  Or put another way: The women's movement most definitely was fighting for women to have the freedom to take risks, fuck up, and even behave badly on equal terms with...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:54:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Isabel Hitchings</title>
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				<author>Isabel Hitchings</author>
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						<p>My first thought on seeing that paragraph yesterday (well maybe my second thought if you count spluttering expletives) was "Emma's going to post angry".</p><p>Women get some pretty mixed messages about what is acceptable dress -you are expected to dress "nicely" and "accentuate your assets" and also "not put it...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:00:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
				<link>http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2069,up-front-does-my-mortgage-look-like-a-slag-in-this.sm?p=127897#post127897</link>
				<author>Craig Ranapia</author>
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						<blockquote><p>It's also pretty demeaning to blokes, as if they are Incapable! of Restraining! Themselves! due to their animalistic penis-brains. Erm, no.</p></blockquote><p>My animalistic penis-brain would find even Emma's awesome French Whore Top eminently resistible. Then again, my APB gets cranky if it's out too late and finds loud noises and...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:02:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
				<link>http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2069,up-front-does-my-mortgage-look-like-a-slag-in-this.sm?p=127898#post127898</link>
				<author>Russell Brown</author>
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						You write such great headlines when you're angry.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:03:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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				<author>Emma Hart</author>
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						<blockquote><p>My first thought on seeing that paragraph yesterday (well maybe my second thought if you count spluttering expletives) was "Emma's going to post angry".</p></blockquote><p>You should have seen it, I was actually completely speechless.</p><blockquote><p>It's also pretty demeaning to blokes, as if they are Incapable! of Restraining! Themselves! due to...</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:07:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tess Rooney</title>
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				<author>Tess Rooney</author>
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						I only realised how wonderful and safe our university social group was as I have gotten older and seen a wider slice of life. Women could dress as they chose and if there was unwanted attention it was stomped on hard and fast. The fault of unwanted attention is soley...
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:08:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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				<author>Robyn Gallagher</author>
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						<p>You can get unwanted attention wearing jeans and a t-shirt. Even in the midst of the '90s, when it was all baggy and grungy, there was still unwanted attention.</p><p>Also, this famous scene from <em>Body Heat</em>:</p><blockquote><p>Ned (William Hurt): Maybe you shouldn't dress like that. <br />Matty (Kathleen Turner): This is...</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:08:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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				<author>Steve Barnes</author>
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						I am surprised that Women are allowed to dress up like bordello cushions in Parliament whilst the blokes have to wear a collar and lead.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:08:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tess Rooney</title>
				<link>http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2069,up-front-does-my-mortgage-look-like-a-slag-in-this.sm?p=127907#post127907</link>
				<author>Tess Rooney</author>
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						Craig: I don't like late nights, loud noise or big crowds either, does this mean I have an APB?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:11:06 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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				<author>Danielle</author>
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						(I've created a phrase worthy of an acronym! I feel so proud.)
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:14:46 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>philipmatthews</title>
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				<author>philipmatthews</author>
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						<blockquote><p>(I've created a phrase worthy of an acronym! I feel so proud.)</p></blockquote><p>Next time the cops put out an All Points Bulletin there might be some confusion.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:19:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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				<author>Sofie Bribiesca</author>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm also really impressed with this woman's chest, both up-thrust and barely-clad. Obviously she has an invisible push-up bra, which is awesome.</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>(My French Whore Top is awesome.)</p></blockquote><p>At which point are we being serious, or am I missing something? Aw TITS</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:21:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tess Rooney</title>
				<link>http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2069,up-front-does-my-mortgage-look-like-a-slag-in-this.sm?p=127916#post127916</link>
				<author>Tess Rooney</author>
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						<p>"Ahhh, we've got an APB out of control down on the Strip. Could all local units attend."</p><p>"Dear God! Not another out of control penis brain running amok. I bet it was that Hart woman's mortgage falling out of it's dress again. Those liquored up investment portfolios can't keep their...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:23:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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				<author>Hadyn Green</author>
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						<blockquote><p>You write such great headlines when you're angry.</p></blockquote><p><embarassed>Um, I don't get it.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:26:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
				<link>http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2069,up-front-does-my-mortgage-look-like-a-slag-in-this.sm?p=127919#post127919</link>
				<author>Emma Hart</author>
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						<blockquote><p>At which point are we being serious, or am I missing something? Aw TITS</p></blockquote><p>Ah, you assume even I know any more.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:28:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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				<author>James Butler</author>
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						<blockquote><p><embarassed>Um, I don't get it.</p></blockquote><p>Don't worry, it just means you're immune to <em>The Listener</em></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:31:51 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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				<author>Russell Brown</author>
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						<blockquote><p><em>You write such great headlines when you're angry.</em></p><p><embarassed>Um, I don't get it.</p></blockquote><p>It's a tribute to Finlay Macdonald's wonderful quip about the ultimate contemporary Listener cover line being 'Will your mortgage make you fat?'</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:32:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
				<link>http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2069,up-front-does-my-mortgage-look-like-a-slag-in-this.sm?p=127923#post127923</link>
				<author>James Butler</author>
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						<blockquote><p>I largely buy the listener because I can't be arsed figuring out which day the paper publishes TV listing</p></blockquote><p>The downturn of <em>The Listener</em> had an upside for me &ndash; when I stopped buying it, I also stopped watching TV, because I never knew when anything was on. Brilliant!</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:34:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Isabel Hitchings</title>
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				<author>Isabel Hitchings</author>
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						It's a running joke in our household that every week one of us will ask "what's in the Listener this week?" and the other will reply "middle-class panic".
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:34:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tess Rooney</title>
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				<author>Tess Rooney</author>
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						Oh, I thought it was about her assets.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:35:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tess Rooney</title>
				<link>http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2069,up-front-does-my-mortgage-look-like-a-slag-in-this.sm?p=127927#post127927</link>
				<author>Tess Rooney</author>
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						My favorite Listener article was about the new poverty of the middle class &ndash; Oh noes, we can't afford to redo our kitchen or have an overseas holiday, oh the humanity!
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:37:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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				<author>Emma Hart</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Oh, I thought it was about her assets.</p></blockquote><p>Fix or float...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:37:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Robert Urquhart</title>
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				<author>Robert Urquhart</author>
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						<blockquote><p>The fault of unwanted attention is soley on the person giving it.</p></blockquote><p>I believe "The fault of <em> continuing </em> unwanted attention is solely on the person giving it" is a better generalisation. There are plenty of situations where it's either difficult to tell if attention is wanted or previously...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:37:58 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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				<author>Angus Robertson</author>
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						<blockquote><p>The fault of unwanted attention is soley on the person giving it.</p></blockquote><p>However as the attention is only unwanted as determined by the contrary value judgements of the recipient, the giver is quite possibly blamelessly at fault.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:38:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tess Rooney</title>
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				<author>Tess Rooney</author>
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						I'm talking about harrassment, not a simple sexual overture which is then declined.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:43:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Isabel Hitchings</title>
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				<author>Isabel Hitchings</author>
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						Actually I don't think there's a heck of a lot of difficulty determining what sort of attention is OK and which isn't (though some people <em>will</em>  put up with idiots for longer than others). Generally remembering your manners and treating everyone you interact with as people with at least as...
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:45:27 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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				<author>Emma Hart</author>
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						<blockquote><p>The assumption in this debate always seems to be that the recipient has made it clear in some way that the (or any) attention is unwanted and we all know that's often not the case. 'No means no' fer sure, but something has to happen to trigger the no.</p></blockquote><p>This...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:46:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Robert Urquhart</title>
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				<author>Robert Urquhart</author>
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						<p>Right, I wasn't trying to say that the specific example fell under the generalisation. Sorry for any misunderstanding.</p><p>As long as we're all on the same page I can happily pop out for a couple of hours without worrying about finding my post under a pile of embers when I...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:54:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tim Michie</title>
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				<author>Tim Michie</author>
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						Damn weel said Emma.  Thank you for erading The Listener so I don't have to manage raised blood pressure issues.  I miss Diana Wichtel and Fiona's Stooges story still sticks in mind but otherwise I got no regrets on that score.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:59:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tim Michie</title>
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				<author>Tim Michie</author>
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						Meant reading not 'erading' of course but if that's a form of eradication The Listener is doing a good enough job of that themselves...
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:01:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tim Michie</title>
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				<author>Tim Michie</author>
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						And well not 'weel'.  Jeez &ndash; quit while you can tim.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:02:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>DeepRed</title>
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				<author>DeepRed</author>
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						Is the Deafener attempting to exhume the Mazengarb Report? Somehow it brings to mind Sheik Hilaly's "uncovered meat" brain-fart.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:06:21 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tess Rooney</title>
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				<author>Tess Rooney</author>
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						After having four babies, I see my breasts as more of a utility thing, rather than sexual objects. Even now, with my boys getting older, my breasts are still a source of cuddles and comfort for them.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:16:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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				<author>giovanni tiso</author>
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						<blockquote><p>I miss Diana Wichtel and Fiona's Stooges story still sticks in mind but otherwise I got no regrets on that score.</p></blockquote><p>The other day I found myself being nostalgic for Steve Braunias. Then I figured that compared to Joanne Black even smallpox could elicit fond memories. </p><p>Remember when turning to...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:21:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tess Rooney</title>
				<link>http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2069,up-front-does-my-mortgage-look-like-a-slag-in-this.sm?p=127951#post127951</link>
				<author>Tess Rooney</author>
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						Well my mother has religiously bought every Listener since before I was born and I miss Bogor.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:24:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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				<author>Robyn Gallagher</author>
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						It's quite strange to think that the Listener used to something I enjoyed reading when I was young, but now that I'm a grown-up, it's no longer <em>relevant to my interests</em>.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:30:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>ScottY</title>
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				<author>ScottY</author>
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						I still get the Listener. There is much dross, but still the occasional good bit. Although with columnists like Ralston and Black they probably need to rebrand to <em>The Curmudgeon</em>.
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				<title>JackElder</title>
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				<author>JackElder</author>
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						<blockquote><p>After having four babies, I see my breasts as more of a utility thing, rather than sexual objects.</p></blockquote><p>I have a similar outlook.  These days, I now view my buttocks as more a convenient way to keep the small of my back from sliding into my thighs (and, in extremis,...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:38:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tess Rooney</title>
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				<author>Tess Rooney</author>
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						Thanks for sharing about those walnuts Jack :)
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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				<author>giovanni tiso</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Although with columnists like Ralston and Black they probably need to rebrand to The Curmudgeon.</p></blockquote><p>Now that Edwards has completed his transition into conservative commentator, I think he'd be ripe for inclusion. They need somebody else who'll just phone it in.</p>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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				<author>James Butler</author>
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						<blockquote><p>they probably need to rebrand to The Curmudgeon</p></blockquote><p>But there's already a magazine called <em>North and Sou</em> &ndash; oops, my bad.</p>
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				<author>giovanni tiso</author>
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						Plus he'd be sure to drive Emma around some sort of entertaining bend with his ideas about gay adoption.
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				<title>JackElder</title>
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				<author>JackElder</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Thanks for sharing about those walnuts Jack :)</p></blockquote><p>Cyclist, you see.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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				<author>Bart Janssen</author>
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						<blockquote><p>as if they are Incapable! of Restraining! Themselves!</p></blockquote><p>Maybe we don't want to restrain ourselves?* maybe we don't care that allowing our reptilian brain to control our actions and words makes us less attractive. And why would we need to show any self control when if we do cross a...</p>
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				<title>Tess Rooney</title>
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				<author>Tess Rooney</author>
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						You know, the other thing that bugs me is where you see the "ironic" women as sex objects adds. Like the Primo milk bouncing bikini women. When did it become okay to make women into objects for our own emancipation?
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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				<author>Bart Janssen</author>
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						<blockquote><p>This is of course true, which is why I talked about 'persisting'.</p></blockquote><p>Of course walking and determining if the assets are fixed or floating is pretty much an offense the first time.</p>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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				<author>James Butler</author>
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						<blockquote><p>When did it become okay to make women into objects for our own emancipation?</p></blockquote><p>Whenever the Tui "all-girl brewery" ads started, about 2-3 years ago I think.</p>
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				<title>Judi Lapsley Miller</title>
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				<author>Judi Lapsley Miller</author>
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						<p>I finally bit the bullet and stopped my Listener sub a few months ago and.... have not missed it one bit. I knew the time had come when so many of the good columnists had gone that I was looking forward to Joanne Black.</p><p>Best NZ mag out there these...</p>
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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				<author>FletcherB</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Of course walking and determining if the assets are fixed or floating is pretty much an offense the first time.</p></blockquote><p>determining if assets are fixed or floating via a visual estimation method may or may-not be acceptable, depending on various factors, </p><p>confirmation by the braille method is nearly always off...</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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				<author>Emma Hart</author>
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						<blockquote><p>confirmation by the braille method is nearly always off limits unless you already know the owner of the assets on a fairly intimate basis.</p></blockquote><p>For a long time now, I've wanted a t-shirt that says 'If you can read this, you're too close' in Braille.</p><blockquote><p>Whenever the Tui "all-girl brewery"...</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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				<author>Emma Hart</author>
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						<blockquote><p>I knew the time had come when so many of the good columnists had gone that I was looking forward to Joanne Black.</p></blockquote><p>I know it irritates Giovanni, but I was reminiscing with friends the other day about the Good Old Listener Days, when the first thing you did was...</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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				<author>Sofie Bribiesca</author>
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						<blockquote>Best NZ mag out there these days? NZ Gardener. By far!</blockquote>Subjective. I'd go for several design/ architecture mags.Had Gardener sub for 3 years, had reasons to stop, but still get design and architecture mags which tend to have fresh monthly ideas. Gardener was good for a while then felt repetitive.
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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				<author>giovanni tiso</author>
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						<blockquote><p>See, I think the Tui ads are funny &ndash; the joke being that the men aren't displaying APB, but are too beer-obsessed to notice the women at all. ("Gorgeous beer.")</p></blockquote><p>Aw, come on, they're gay.  Isn't that obvious? Same with the Speights ads, where the guy who's engaged with the...</p>
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				<title>Dave Patrick</title>
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				<author>Dave Patrick</author>
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						Joanne Black's column features in discussions in our house regularly &ndash; even my 13 year old daughter mocks her columns about her kids. She's so self-obsessed she makes Narcissus seem empathetic.
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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				<author>Bart Janssen</author>
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						<blockquote><p>loves the Primo ad</p></blockquote><p>Love that ad too &ndash; there is just something surreal about those girls on bouncy balls. It's the wierdness of it all that works for me.<br />Agree about the coke and Burger King ads &ndash; they are just crass and lazy. Somewhere there is someone who...</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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				<author>Bart Janssen</author>
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						<p>Oh and just another point. </p><p>My comments have all been silly. that's because I find the Listener piece so stupid it's hard to respond with anything other than silly.</p><p>I detest the idea that you are allowed to do or not do to someone simply because of what they wear...</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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				<author>giovanni tiso</author>
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						<blockquote><p>I know it irritates Giovanni, but I was reminiscing with friends the other day about the Good Old Listener Days, when the first thing you did was turn to page 94 and read Steve Braunias's latest tale of his red couch/custard squares/drinking binge.</p></blockquote><p>He had his moments, but his whiney...</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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				<author>Emma Hart</author>
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						<blockquote><p>You've said this before and still your partner hasn't given you one for Christmas? I think you need to be less subtle.</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://avatar.bardicweb.com/files/ghetsuhm/betrayal.jpg" target="_blank">This</a> is the last t-shirt he bought me. The guy is basically made of win. I'm not sure it's possible for me to be less subtle.</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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				<author>Danielle</author>
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						<p>Why does Joanne Black exist? </p><p>That may be rather too much of a metaphysical question, actually. Let me rephrase: what was her gig before this?</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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				<author>giovanni tiso</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Let me rephrase: what was her gig before this?</p></blockquote><p>She was a missionary in Montecarlo, bringing expedited building consents to the super-wealthy.</p>
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				<title>John Fouhy</title>
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				<author>John Fouhy</author>
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						<p>Richard Long, writing on Stuff:</p><blockquote><p>The awful driving statistics for [15 to 24-year-olds] are made worse by our Anglo-Celtic genes which seem to inspire binge drinking in many adolescents, with young women (the ladettes) now alarmingly emulating the males.</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/columnists/2785088/Making-an-ass-of-our-laws" target="_blank">link</a></p><p>It's all William the Conqueror's fault!</p>
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				<title>octopusgrrl</title>
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				<author>octopusgrrl</author>
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						Haven't read the Listener for a number of years now although I snicker over the headlines every so often. We get the TV Guide, and where once the letters to Mr Telly were a source of constant amusement/headdesking, they're actually becoming more literate and interesting as of late &ndash; is...
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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				<author>James Butler</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Whereas the Burger King and Coke Zero ads are just crass</p></blockquote><p>I (slightly) know one of the guys behind the Burger King ads. He has a degree in Performance Voice.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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				<author>Russell Brown</author>
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						I guess it's okay to say that they <em>could</em> have had Graham Reid for Page 94 ...
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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				<author>FletcherB</author>
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						<p>I saw a new ad on the telly last week.</p><p>I hear a catchy infectious tune, I see scantily (but extremely colourfully) clad women on roller skates.</p><p>"Hmmm.... they're going a bit over-the top on the women in underwear thing." I think to myself. "So what are they selling?"</p><p>"Oh-...</p>
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				<title>Heather W.</title>
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				<author>Heather W.</author>
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						Apparently other people want that same 'if you can read this ...etc   braille <a href="http://t-shirts.cafepress.com.au/item/if-you-can-read-this-get-your-hands-off-my-chest/43484390 " target="_blank"> tshirt</a> or maybe this  <a href="http://www.zazzle.com/if_you_can_read_this_braille_tshirt-235446190023383458 " target="_blank"> one</a>.
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				<title>John Fouhy</title>
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				<author>John Fouhy</author>
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						@Heather W: <a href="http://www.brailletshirts.com/" target="_blank">http://www.brailletshirts.com/</a>
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				<title>Heather W.</title>
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				<author>Heather W.</author>
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						<p>Thanks John Fouhy,</p><p>Would have linked to them too but when looked at their site couldn't get any further than the front page.</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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				<author>Emma Hart</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Apparently other people want that same 'if you can read this ...etc braille  tshirt or maybe this  one.</p></blockquote><p>Awesome. Thank you, internet.</p>
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				<title>Rachel Prosser</title>
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				<author>Rachel Prosser</author>
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						<blockquote><p>It's all William the Conqueror's fault!</p></blockquote><p>I think William was a Norman, hence the idea of "The Norman Yoke" on the anglo-celts who were there pre 1066.</p><blockquote><p>"Oh- they're selling womens underwear"</p><p>I guess that's OK then</p></blockquote><p>It reminded me of the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc_D3fOlg9Y" target="_blank">great ad for Hanes using the Momix dancers</a>...</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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				<author>Kyle Matthews</author>
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						<blockquote><p>It's all William the Conqueror's fault!</p></blockquote><p>He wasn't very Celtic was he?</p>
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				<title>JackElder</title>
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				<author>JackElder</author>
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						I have a t-shirt that says "a a" in braille, but only when it's cold out.
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				<title>John Fouhy</title>
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				<author>John Fouhy</author>
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						<blockquote><p>He wasn't very Celtic was he?</p></blockquote><p>Ah, true.  For some reason I was mentally confusing celts and gauls.<br />(and I guess the Normans were only half-gaul at best)</p><p>So can we blame? Boadicea?</p>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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				<author>James Butler</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Ah, true. For some reason I was mentally confusing celts and gauls.<br />(and I guess the Normans were only half-gaul at best)</p></blockquote><p>Not that confused: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauls" target="_blank">Gauls are Celts</a>. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normans" target="_blank">Normans</a> are mostly Viking.</p>
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				<title>JoJo</title>
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				<author>JoJo</author>
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						<blockquote><p>I hear a catchy infectious tune, I see scantily (but extremely colourfully) clad women on roller skates.</p><p>"Hmmm.... they're going a bit over-the top on the women in underwear thing." I think to myself. "So what are they selling?"</p><p>"Oh- they're selling womens underwear"</p><p>I guess that's OK then?</p></blockquote><p>Yes...</p>
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				<author>Dinah Dunavan</author>
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						I am rather disturbed at the way feminism has been turned into girl powa. Somehow it is supposed to be liberating for girls (according to music videos and advertising) to wear underwear with porn-related images on them, undies made to look like boys undies, bras designed to thrust more than...
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				<title>Islander</title>
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				<author>Islander</author>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:22:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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				<author>Islander</author>
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						Joanna Black? I truly think she should be preserved somewhere: "See dear? This is the point of shallow meeee-ness print opinion got to &ndash; wasnt the nadir of nastiness but a good indicator. Is she alive still? O, I dunno- poke it and see..."
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:25:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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				<author>Jackie Clark</author>
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						<blockquote>I am rather disturbed at the way feminism has been turned into girl powa. Somehow it is supposed to be liberating for girls (according to music videos and advertising) to wear underwear with porn-related images on them, undies made to look like boys undies, bras designed to thrust more than...</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:09:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tess Rooney</title>
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				<author>Tess Rooney</author>
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						<p>Yeah, who would have thought that the women who burned their bras did so for women to wear thongs, corselettes and high heels. </p><p>I love watching 70's movies where the leading woman, though attracttive and slim, has flesh that wobbles. You can tell she's never met a gym machine in...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:16:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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				<author>Emma Hart</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Yeah, who would have thought that the women who burned their bras did so for women to wear thongs, corselettes and high heels.</p></blockquote><p>Or perhaps for women to have the <em>choice</em> to do so &ndash; or not do so &ndash; as they please. Preferably without getting shit for it. If...</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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				<author>Danielle</author>
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						<p>Bra burning didn't actually happen. It was a sort of rhetorical piggyback on draft card burning.</p><p>(Also, you can pry my bra from my cold dead... hands.)</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Or perhaps for women to have the choice to do so &ndash; or not do so &ndash; as they please. Preferably without getting shit for it.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, that was sort of Emma's original point, I thought? We don't get to give other women shit for their clothing choices. (We are...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:58:31 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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				<author>Emma Hart</author>
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						<blockquote><p>(We are allowed to be wide-eyed with wonder in private, though, right? Because otherwise half of my TV-watching is ruined.)</p></blockquote><p>Best done with one of those companions who's so on the same wavelength as you that a glance will suffice to communicate the 'wtf' in its full glory.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:02:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Littlewood</title>
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				<author>Matthew Littlewood</author>
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						<blockquote><p>It's a tribute to Finlay Macdonald's wonderful quip about the ultimate contemporary Listener cover line being 'Will your mortgage make you fat?'</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0807/S00046.htm" target="_blank"> Ahem</a>. I think a little linkage is in order ;)</p><p>Anyway, to carry on with the "what's wrong with the Listener" discussion, here's what I feel about...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:03:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>kiwi kat</title>
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				<author>kiwi kat</author>
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						<p>A great post Emma and one I might have to share with my senior English class when we do revision for The Handmaid's Tale. </p><p>Can I come out of my 'wide-eyed with wonder in private' closet for just a mo and ask what all the clothing choices were about on...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:11:55 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>JasonP</title>
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						<p>For a contrarian view....</p><p>How we dress makes a statement.  We dress in formal business attire when we go to make a sale or job interview, gym clothes to go to the gym and a swimsuit to go swimming.  You wouldn't wear your clubbing clothes to work &ndash; it makes...</p>
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				<title>bronwyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>There is no amount of flesh I can expose on a night out which makes me fair game &#8211; sorry, the author of my own difficulties.</p></blockquote><p>It's remarkable that a presumably experienced journalist who has also presumably done research and thought deeply about what they are writing about can't come...</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>the clothes you wear clubbing also make a statement about your intentions</p></blockquote><p>OMG! You're telepathic!</p><blockquote><p>Acting as though that doesn't exist and that you have no control over it?</p></blockquote><p>We're not in charge of how you act around a corselette: *you are*.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Therefore, it should be perfectly acceptable to assume that the clothes you wear clubbing also make a statement about your intentions.</p></blockquote><p>Jason, the issue is that one person doesn't know another person's intentions. I might have had a rubbish day, so might decide to go out and have fun, get...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:38:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Therefore, it should be perfectly acceptable to assume that the clothes you wear clubbing also make a statement about your intentions.</p><p>I recommend a scientific study. Go out three times. Once in the sluttiest outfit you can find, once in a set of track pants and a third time in...</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:38:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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				<author>Sofie Bribiesca</author>
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						I managed to count to a whole 10 after reading that,and began to wonder where Danielle was ;)
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:40:55 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew gunn</title>
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				<author>andrew gunn</author>
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						What gets me cranky about the Listener is how it's all about me. Middle-class, mortgaged, married with children me. My house and how it's losing value, my frightening retirement prospects, my kids who are either doing the wrong NCEA subjects or doing P, my elderly relatives languishing in shoddy retirement...
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:48:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Graham</title>
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				<author>Neil Graham</author>
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						<blockquote><p>If it changes based on outfit, then it's the clothes</p></blockquote><p>So if they go out in a burqa and get beaten up by skinheads it's the clothes?</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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				<author>giovanni tiso</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Thankfully there are more things to heaven and earth than are dreamt of in the Listener's editorial department, but if they don't fit the "what's in it for me?" test they won't be making it to the front page any time soon.</p></blockquote><p>Sometimes the lack of introspection reaches heroic proportions,...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:00:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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				<author>Russell Brown</author>
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						<blockquote><p>We're not in charge of how you act around a corselette: *you are*.</p></blockquote><p>Boom!</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:25:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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				<author>Russell Brown</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Thankfully there are more things to heaven and earth than are dreamt of in the Listener's editorial department, but if they don't fit the "what's in it for me?" test they won't be making it to the front page any time soon.</p></blockquote><p>You're very perceptive.</p><p>The editor's exhortation has long...</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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				<author>Russell Brown</author>
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						<blockquote><p>And re the portrayal of women in TV ads: if you're cynical you'll say it's just a branding exercise, but can I recommend the Dove "Onslaught" clip. I can't do the linky thing, but google it. I'm a father of daughters and I think it rocks.</p></blockquote><p>For YouTube clips, just...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:33:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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				<author>Emma Hart</author>
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						<blockquote><p>OMG! You're telepathic!</p></blockquote><p>Thank you, Danielle. Sometimes I run out of snark.</p><p>Also, what club are you getting into in trackies? (youth of today, standards, etc) And you know what? Even if I <em>am</em> looking to 'hook up', that doesn't mean I'm looking to hook up with YOU. I might...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:33:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Stewart</title>
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				<author>Stewart</author>
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						Re the scantily clad women in ads, I suspect this is largely predicated on the attempt to capture the 'youth demographic' and the money that teh yoof have to dispose of.  They then think that they need to have young go-getters running accounts at the agencies and the base level...
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:59:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>DeepRed</title>
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				<author>DeepRed</author>
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						The Deafener has infected by a <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/1452851/Oz-outrage-at-Germaine-Greers-attack-on-cultural-wasteland.html" target="_blank">socio-cultural epidemic</a> &ndash; an epidemic that Germaine Greer took to pieces, and landed her in a shitstorm with her native Australia.
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				<title>Tony Parker</title>
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				<author>Tony Parker</author>
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						<blockquote>As an aside, I fully endorse Emma's standpoint (not a reference to the braille t-shirt) and the remark someone made about the onus being on the person viewing the outfit not to make an arse of themselves by reading into a costume something from within their own fevered imagination (like...</blockquote>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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				<author>Danielle</author>
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						<blockquote><p>no matter how much No means No a person's safety cannot always be maintained</p></blockquote><p>That's certainly true. I don't know why the discussion often (not here so far, but) ends up being about what the victim of the harassment or assault could have done differently, though. It should really be...</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That's certainly true. I don't know why the discussion often (not here so far, but) ends up being about what the victim of the harassment or assault could have done differently, though. It should really be about the harasser's actions.</p></blockquote><p>There are areas in which that is less clear-cut, though...</p>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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				<author>stephen walker</author>
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						<blockquote><p>might she be the author of her own difficulties?</p></blockquote><p>by this logic, anyone harassed at the beach or pool were wearing togs that were "asking for it".</p><p>in tokyo, sometimes i think, "the world is just these pricks' giant ashtray". maybe the nz equivalent is "the world is just these...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:07:46 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Isabel Hitchings</title>
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				<author>Isabel Hitchings</author>
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						<blockquote><p>It's like being trapped in a dinner party where the only two subjects discussed are houses and the person's daughter.</p></blockquote><p>It's the fact that whilst these are her only two subjects she displays very little love for either that gets me.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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				<author>Sacha</author>
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						<blockquote><p>the world is just these APBs' giant building site</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJa7VzfWJQg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJa7VzfWJQg</a></p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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				<author>Danielle</author>
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						<blockquote><p>it ought to be permissible to promote ways for women of making themselves less unsafe without exculpating the men who are doing the harassing</p></blockquote><p>I'm waiting anxiously for the 'hey, could you not harass people, APB dudes?' PSAs, because they don't seem to make very many. There are quite a...</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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				<author>giovanni tiso</author>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm waiting anxiously for the 'hey, could you not harass people, APB dudes?' PSAs, because they don't seem to make very many.</p></blockquote><p>We just don't seem to know how to handle that. Which baffles me, since we don't seem to have a problem formulating messages against family voilence. A campaign...</p>
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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				<author>TracyMac</author>
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						<p>I. Have. No. Words.</p><p>It's like "OMG, some black people in the US are crims, why did they free the slaves?"  Because some random people of subgroup X <em>always</em> represent all other members of that subgroup.</p><p>And I agree with Craig &ndash; feminism <em>is</em> all about the right to be...</p>
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				<author>TracyMac</author>
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						<p>Oh, and regarding the victim-blaming that goes on with people wearing "slutty" outfits, I like the "yes means yes" philosophy that's been bandied around lately. If someone isn't <em>actively</em> consenting, hello, it's not <em>consent</em>.</p><p>It doesn't matter if someone's wearing thongs and high heels (call me crass, but I thoroughly...</p>
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				<author>Rich of Observationz</author>
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						<p>You know, for us Pol-Pot-Had-A-Point-Ists, it's becoming ever easier to work who will go into the Automatic Categories for liquidation after the glorious revolution:</p><p>&ndash; Referendum voters<br />&ndash; Those who opt out of student unions<br />&ndash; Listener subscribers (Emma, you may make a special "professional exemption" list, but I really...</p>
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				<author>Jolisa</author>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm waiting anxiously for the 'hey, could you not harass people, APB dudes?' PSAs, because they don't seem to make very many. There are quite a lot of the 'chicks, look out!' ones, though.</p></blockquote><p>Reminds me of the anecdote (Inga Muscio's?) about the city (Seattle? Portland?) in which the police...</p>
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				<author>Jolisa</author>
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						<p>WRT the Listener, I do love the book reviews ... while wishing there was another weekly for which to write them.</p><p>I must say, too, that the Listener is particularly egregious in its gratutious use of slim, young, white female bodies to publicise its me-me-me story of the week (nice...</p>
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				<author>Jolisa</author>
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						<p>And because I think JasonP has a point, if not one that's popular here, I'm kind of intrigued by how fricking <em>uncomfortable</em> is the attire that many young women (myself once included) wear to "feel comfortable about themselves" while out and about.</p><p>Freezing cold night in any city with cobbled...</p>
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				<author>Jolisa</author>
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						Timely newsflash: ill-advised outfits just another <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1208814/Staggering-home-pair-burning-high-heels-Now-buy-flats-vending-machine-night-out.html" target="_blank">business opportunity</a>. Whatever it is, capitalism knows you want it.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:07:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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				<author>Megan Wegan</author>
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						<blockquote><p>I recommend a scientific study. Go out three times. Once in the sluttiest outfit you can find, once in a set of track pants and a third time in formal business. Count the number of times you are hit on in each outfit.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, because when I go out to...</p>
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				<title>Tony Parker</title>
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				<author>Tony Parker</author>
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						At the other end of the scale I'm just wondering what people think about young (and some not so young) women who wear their pyjamas to the supermarket, often in the middle of the day. Or is this just a Hawkes Bay thing?
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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				<author>Danielle</author>
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						I'll cop to having gone to the petrol station across the road in pjs. :) The supermarket is a bridge too far for me, though. All those fluorescent lights...
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				<title>Tess Rooney</title>
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				<author>Tess Rooney</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Freezing cold night in any city with cobbled streets, and there they all are: pelmet miniskirts, bare legs, boob tubes, tottery high heels. Er, why??!</p></blockquote><p>Because that's what is regarded as "hot" or "sexy" and we want to be attractive. I don't know why women dress in such uncomfortable gear,...</p>
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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				<author>Megan Wegan</author>
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						<blockquote><p>but I do really question why women are dressing in ways that are ideally suited to appeal to the male sexual gaze.</p></blockquote><p>Because that's what is currently "fashionable"? And hence what is being sold in shops &ndash; especially cheaper shops like Glassons, or Supre, or as I like to call...</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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				<author>Craig Ranapia</author>
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						<blockquote><p>(Or perhaps I'm just particularly well-attuned to hearing 'vagina-bearers, you're not allowed to get drunk in public in case you get raped' messages. Um, yay?)</p></blockquote><p>IMO, that ad was worse than that.  As I said at the time, they should have changed the tag-line to "It's not the drinking, it's...</p>
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				<title>Stewart</title>
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				<author>Stewart</author>
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						<p>There is a perception, given the stone-age attitudes of some of the APBs, that the standard of dress and the drunken behaviours <em>enhance the likelihood of being a victim</em> .  (This is not something that I am arguing in favour of, I'm just devil's advocating)</p><p>Somewhat akin to a wildebeest...</p>
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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				<author>Megan Wegan</author>
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						<blockquote><p>You see, those ads were meant to be "provocative" and "hard-hitting" ways to bring about "culture change"</p></blockquote><p>In my house, the only culture they changed was to one of changing the channel any time anything to do with ALAC comes on, and pretty much ignoring everything it has to say...</p>
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				<title>Stewart</title>
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						Aw c'mon Megan, <em>deserves</em>  is a bit of an overstatement.  I can understand where you are coming from but it is still a bit of a stretch to claim that ALAC is indicating that those behaviours <em>deserve</em>  that sort of outcome.
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				<title>bronwyn</title>
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				<author>bronwyn</author>
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						<blockquote><p>There is some responsibility on us all to minimise our likelihoods of becoming a victim.</p></blockquote><p>Stewart, I know what you are saying, but all too often (to me, at least) it feels like that all the responsibility is on "us" and none on the people that are making other people...</p>
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				<title>Stewart</title>
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						<p>Bronwyn, you are quite right and I agree with you, but having been in a few scary situations myself I remain unconvinced that the sort of nongs that perpetrate the assaults/rapes are going to take any notice of tv ads.</p><p>If you recognise that fact then you can appreciate why...</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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				<author>Craig Ranapia</author>
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						<blockquote><p>There is some responsibility on us all to minimise our likelihoods of becoming a victim.</p></blockquote><p>Up to a point, Stewart.  When I lived in Palmerston North (on the fringes of Highbury, if that means anything to you), the house I was sharing was burgled three times.</p><p>Was I and my...</p>
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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				<author>Megan Wegan</author>
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						<p>@stewart </p><p>Yeah, Ok, there's some hyperbole in that statement.  But I, and a lot of people, felt that the <a href="http://thehandmirror.blogspot.com/search/label/The%20Lisa%20Advert%20Chronicles" target="_blank">Lisa ad</a> was unnecessarily victim blaming, and are still, like Craig said, frustrated by ALAC's refusal to acknowledge the complaints.</p><p>Like Danielle said up the thread, most women don't need to...</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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				<author>Danielle</author>
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						<blockquote><p>deserves is a bit of an overstatement</p></blockquote><p>I like to compare the ALAC rape ad to the one with the dude who swings his kid against the bookcase and ends up in the alley crying. You probably feel a bit of empathy for that dude, right? But you also think...</p>
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				<title>Stewart</title>
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				<author>Stewart</author>
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						<p>Craig, I'm all in favour of putting all the reposnsibility for crimes like burglary, robbery, assault &amp; rape at the perpetrators' doors.  But I certainly don't intend to make myself or my property look like an easy and satisfying target for the low-life scum that we are talking about.</p><p>I have...</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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				<author>Bart Janssen</author>
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						<blockquote><p>We're not in charge of how you act around a corselette: *you are*.</p></blockquote><p>My APB controls <strong>all</strong> my actions.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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				<author>Bart Janssen</author>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't know why the discussion often (not here so far, but) ends up being about what the victim of the harassment or assault could have done differently</p></blockquote><p>It's about control. It feels very much like you have no control over the perpetrator so the reaction is to try and...</p>
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				<title>JoJo</title>
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				<author>JoJo</author>
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						<blockquote><p>being in the wrong place at the wrong time and representing an easy target.</p></blockquote><p>It has seemed to me, though, that just the very fact of my having a vagina ("down there" as my doctor said last week) makes me in the wrong place at the wrong time. There have...</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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				<author>giovanni tiso</author>
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						<blockquote><p>It's the same reason more folks are afraid of flying than driving, because when you fly someone else is in control and when you drive you are in control.</p></blockquote><p>Being ten thousand feet in the freaking air might also play a part.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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				<author>Bart Janssen</author>
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						<blockquote><p>there does not seem to be a story they cannot creatively publicise with a T-shirt stretched winningly across a pert pair of tits.</p></blockquote><p>I'm betting they have a really talented creative director.</p>
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				<title>Bruce Thorpe</title>
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				<author>Bruce Thorpe</author>
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						<p>I read anything about Valerie Vilii...</p><p>Winchel and Take 5, crossword, Slade ...</p><p> dammit might as well check Clifton, Easton ... </p><p>the breaking point usually comes about Ralston</p><p> or yet another pile of uninspiration from one Hill or other ... </p><p>getting really pissed with myself ... </p><p>I hate addiction, at...</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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				<author>Emma Hart</author>
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						<blockquote><p>In both cases the feeling (while real) is wrong.</p></blockquote><p>Indeed, and what bothers me about this 'careful ladies' attitude is that it's wrong. Factually. Where are women most likely to be assaulted, no matter how they're dressed or how much they've had to drink? At home. And which group is...</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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				<author>Emma Hart</author>
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						<blockquote><p>There is some responsibility on us all to minimise our likelihoods of becoming a victim.</p></blockquote><p>I don't think the message is 'be careful', I think it's 'be afraid'. When you make a decision about what to wear or where to park or where to go, make it out of fear...</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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				<author>Rich Lock</author>
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						<p>As a slight aside &ndash; if there are any women on here who are interested in doing self-defence classes*, I can recommend <a href="http://www.tacticalkravmaga.org.nz/content/view/14/27/" target="_blank">these guys</a>.</p><p>They were running women-only classes at the beginning of this year, and will probably do so again if there is enough interest.</p><p>There is a 2-day...</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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				<author>Danielle</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Being ten thousand feet in the freaking air might also play a part.</p></blockquote><p>In a *metal tube*. At *insane speeds*. Using scientific principles *I don't understand*. Knowing that if something goes wrong you are almost automatically *doomed to death*.</p><p>Ahem. Yes, I take heavy doses of prescription drugs to fly...</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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				<author>Sacha</author>
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						<blockquote>Where are women most likely to be assaulted, no matter how they're dressed or how much they've had to drink? At home. And which group is most likely, statistically, to be on the receiving end of a stranger-assault on the side of the road? MEN. Yet where are the 'careful...</blockquote>
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				<author>Kate  Hannah</author>
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						I was still buying the listener &ndash; more as a historic tic then anything else &ndash; but after this week's middle class panic discourse &ndash; and the totally offensive story you've so astutely summarised Emma &ndash; I'm going to end it all.  After 20 or so years of reading -...
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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				<author>giovanni tiso</author>
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						<blockquote><p>In a *metal tube*. At *insane speeds*. Using scientific principles *I don't understand*. Knowing that if something goes wrong you are almost automatically *doomed to death*.</p></blockquote><p>In fact I'm pretty sure I would be even more freaked if I was driving that thing. (I'm flying home in less than a...</p>
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				<title>Michael Stevens</title>
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				<author>Michael Stevens</author>
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						<p>I feel sorry for Braunias being exiled to the crappy canvas, but he's the only thing worth reading in that whole "magazine" even if he can be a grumpy sod at times.</p><p>The Listener, I cancelled my sub a while back and don't miss it.</p><p>And as for Emma's original...</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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				<author>Sofie Bribiesca</author>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't think the message is 'be careful', I think it's 'be afraid'. When you make a decision about what to wear or where to park or where to go, make it out of fear.</p></blockquote><p>Seems though<br /><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10593252" target="_blank">anywhere</a> can be dangerous</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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				<author>Danielle</author>
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						<blockquote><p>anywhere can be dangerous</p></blockquote><p>Does that article sound suspiciously like the police officers were the ones doing the beating? Or am I just a cynical person?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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				<author>Russell Brown</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Yet where are the 'careful gentlemen, if you get drunk you might get punched in the face' ads?</p></blockquote><p>To be fair, there's the bloke-in-a-bar who gets tanked, lashes out at a barmaid who bumps his jug and gets a right old kicking &mdash; subsequently frightening the hell out of his...</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
				<link>http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2069,up-front-does-my-mortgage-look-like-a-slag-in-this.sm?p=128181#post128181</link>
				<author>Emma Hart</author>
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						<blockquote><p>But that is a wee bit different.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, because the Lisa version of that ad would go something like this. Guy goes out with his mates, they're getting tanked, having a good time. Through the evening he gradually gets separated from them. Then because he's so tanked he, say, trips...</p>
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				<author>Stewart</author>
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						I take your point, Emma, about the difference between 'be careful' and 'be afraid'.  Trouble is that when they make these ads they can't accurately predict how the message will be perceived because of the variability of the target audience.  Some women would see the ads & think "yeah, got to...
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				<title>JackElder</title>
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				<author>JackElder</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Ah, true. For some reason I was mentally confusing celts and gauls.</p></blockquote><p>Does that count as an own gaul, then?</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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				<author>Danielle</author>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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				<author>Sacha</author>
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						<blockquote><p>they can't accurately predict how the message will be perceived because of the variability of the target audience</p></blockquote><p>Isn't that exactly what social marketers spend rather large sums of money doing? I guess not so much any more given the ripe potential for savings such projects represent..</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:40:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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				<author>Emma Hart</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Trouble is that when they make these ads they can't accurately predict how the message will be perceived because of the variability of the target audience</p></blockquote><p>I've never seen anyone complain about the Dennis From Accounts ad, or the one where the woman comes home pissed and phones her ex-boyfriend...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:44:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Stewart</title>
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				<author>Stewart</author>
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						The thing is, Sacha, that a young lady with good self-esteem & a knowledge of martial arts will not get the same message as a more retiring but still keen on boozing wallflower.  And the ALAC ads are trying to be all-inclusive IMO.
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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				<author>Megan Wegan</author>
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						<blockquote><p>The thing is, Sacha, that a young lady with good self-esteem &amp; a knowledge of martial arts</p></blockquote><p>Um....yeah, I am young (ish) lady with good (possibly too good) self esteem and if not a knowledge of martial arts, a good few years of kickboxing classes at the gym.</p><p>And the ad...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:50:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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				<author>Craig Ranapia</author>
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						<p>Perhaps <em>The Listener</em>  should send Rebecca MacFie on assignment to Malaysia, where they've got an innovative solution to the Pissed Skank Crisis (tm):</p><p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE57N0FI20090824?feedType=RSS&amp;feedName=topNews" target="_blank">Beat the bitches until they learn how to behave</a>!</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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				<author>Russell Brown</author>
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						<blockquote><p>I think what the ad was <em>trying</em> to do was to remind people that when you are drunk you put yourself at risk.</p></blockquote><p>Yup, and that's what the message should be.</p><p>On the odd occasion when I find myself beholding the flocks of drunken popsies in handkerchief dresses and high...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:58:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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				<author>Bart Janssen</author>
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						<blockquote><p>In fact I'm pretty sure I would be even more freaked if I was driving that thing.</p></blockquote><p>Probably stretching the analogy but...</p><p>You'd also be freaked out if they announced the pilot has done his practice with the radio controlled planes and this will be his first go with with...</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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				<author>giovanni tiso</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Does that count as an own gaul, then?</p></blockquote><p>Rofflenui.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:03:01 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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				<author>Kyle Matthews</author>
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						I would have felt a lot more comfortable about the Lisa advert if it had focused more on the male. "Here's where alcohol might take a person who would never do this when sober, but under the influence of alcohol they do something horrible to another person." As Emma and...
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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				<author>Megan Wegan</author>
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						<blockquote><p>the flocks of drunken popsies in handkerchief dresses and high heels tottering around the Viaduct at midnight.</p></blockquote><p>But that's part of the thing that annoyed me about that ad. I get plenty drunk and totter around town on occasion, but I would never leave one of my friends in that...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:07:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Dinah Dunavan</title>
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				<author>Dinah Dunavan</author>
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						Maybe the next round of ALAC ads will have a bloke getting hammered and then waking up the next morning to find himself charged with rape.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:10:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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				<author>Emma Hart</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Maybe if the guy stays in control and doesn't get tanked up on booze he and Lisa get it on with consent?</p></blockquote><p>Dude, the guy in the Lisa ad isn't drunk, he's dead sober. (Is that just my perception, that he's portrayed as doing what he does entirely coldly and...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:10:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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				<author>giovanni tiso</author>
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						<blockquote><p>there are so many ways they could have reinforced the safety message to me that wouldn't have made me want to hurl my television through a window every time it came on.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, that's what I meant &ndash; not that the ads were defensible, but that the idea of reinforcing...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:11:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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				<author>giovanni tiso</author>
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						<blockquote><p>(Is that just my perception, that he's portrayed as doing what he does entirely coldly and deliberately?)</p></blockquote><p>Yes, he's portraied as somebody who preys on drunk women in bars.</p>
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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				<author>Megan Wegan</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Is that just my perception, that he's portrayed as doing what he does entirely coldly and deliberately?</p></blockquote><p>No, the shifty glance around, and the ominous music as he drags her up the alley say that to me too.  Why yes, I have spent far too much time thinking/talking/watching/arguing/screaming about this...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:13:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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				<author>Russell Brown</author>
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						<blockquote><p><em>Does that count as an own gaul, then?</em></p><p>Rofflenui.</p></blockquote><p>You Romans are crazy.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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				<author>Bart Janssen</author>
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						<blockquote><p>the guy in the Lisa ad isn't drunk, he's dead sober. (Is that just my perception,</p></blockquote><p>My impression too</p><p>Sober, calculating, feral</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:14:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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				<author>Emma Hart</author>
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						Okay, I have to pop out for a couple of hours &ndash; son's IEP, book in a tattoo. While I'm gone, Megan and Danielle are in charge of voicing my opinion, k?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:16:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
				<link>http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2069,up-front-does-my-mortgage-look-like-a-slag-in-this.sm?p=128212#post128212</link>
				<author>Megan Wegan</author>
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						<blockquote><p>While I'm gone, Megan and Danielle are in charge of voicing my opinion, k?</p></blockquote><p>Ooooooo, the power!!</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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				<author>Russell Brown</author>
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						<blockquote><p>But that's part of the thing that annoyed me about that ad. I get plenty drunk and totter around town on occasion, but I would never leave one of my friends in that situation, and I'd be furious if they did it to me.</p></blockquote><p>I reckon there's a useful public...</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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				<author>Craig Ranapia</author>
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						<blockquote><p>I would have felt a lot more comfortable about the Lisa advert...</p></blockquote><p>... if it had been killed at the pitch meeting? Because that's where I am, and seriously can't mentally re-mix the ad enough to get the stink of APB out.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:31:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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				<author>Kyle Matthews</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Dude, the guy in the Lisa ad isn't drunk, he's dead sober. (Is that just my perception, that he's portrayed as doing what he does entirely coldly and deliberately?)</p></blockquote><p>Yes, but that in that case he (the problem) is really outside ALAC's sphere, as I noted.</p><p>The problems of why...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:32:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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				<author>Tom Semmens</author>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't know why women dress in such uncomfortable gear</p></blockquote><p>Because they can. It is their monument to their time, in the most obvious way.</p><p>All to soon, the words of Shelley have relevance when they look in the mirror:</p><p>"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:<br />Look on my...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:38:31 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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				<author>Megan Wegan</author>
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						<blockquote><p>I reckon there's a useful public service ad in that.</p></blockquote><p>My life as a public service ad?  Have at it.</p><p>But yeah, I believe I said somewhere on the internet when the ad first came out, that maybe the story could have been told from the point of view of,...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:39:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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				<author>Danielle</author>
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						Older women aren't allowed to like what they see in the mirror?
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				<title>Stewart</title>
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				<author>Stewart</author>
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						I'm with Kyle in that many young men aren't being given the right messages as they grow from infants up to men.  They don't get (enough of) the right examples, suitable mentoring, etc.  The strong women in my family and the dearth of domestic violence helped me to avoid most...
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:48:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew gunn</title>
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				<author>andrew gunn</author>
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						<p>Is it at all possible that a public service ad aimed at the male perpetrators, or maybe their peers who could have some influence over them, could get any traction? </p><p>Pragmatically, we'll be talking with our daughters in years to come about looking after themselves in the big wide world,...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:51:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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				<author>Joe Wylie</author>
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						<blockquote><p>All to soon, the words of Shelley have relevance when they look in the mirror:<br />"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:<br />Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"</p></blockquote><p>Shelley bitches.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:55:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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				<author>Lucy Stewart</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Older women aren't allowed to like what they see in the mirror?</p></blockquote><p>Of course not. The cosmetics industry would collapse, and the recession's bad enough already, don't you think?</p>
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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				<author>FletcherB</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Does that article sound suspiciously like the police officers were the ones doing the beating? Or am I just a cynical person?</p></blockquote><p>I guess thats one reading of it...  my (only marginally) less cynical reading of it is that the police sat in their car watching the beating (possibly by...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:59:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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				<author>Sacha</author>
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						<blockquote><p>I would like to see something that tells men it's time to step up and stop being a dick, and that goes for your mates as well.</p></blockquote><p>Same. I'm imagining something more like the Not OK ads, that taps into male honour and loyalty.</p><blockquote><p>Here's where alcohol might take a...</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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				<author>Sacha</author>
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						I think ALAC are hopelessly conflicted because they're not allowed to just say that alcohol is a drug that causes harm, full stop. No, that would upset the booze industry.
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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				<author>giovanni tiso</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Older women aren't allowed to like what they see in the mirror?</p></blockquote><p>Course not. Young is beautiful and beautiful is moral. As exemplified by a killer line from <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/arts/2778188/Man-upset-by-nude-art" target="_blank">this recent article</a> on the kerfuffle surroundoing a painting exhibited at an art gallery in Nelson: </p><p>"[The artist] deliberately pictured beautiful bodies...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:10:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tim Hannah</title>
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				<author>Tim Hannah</author>
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						<blockquote><p>"[The artist] deliberately pictured beautiful bodies so it wouldn't be offensive"</p></blockquote><p>The generous reading of that line is that the artist painted bodies (which happened to be beautiful) in such a way (not naked) that it wouldn't be offensive. </p><p>Or maybe it does mean that the artist thinks beautiful bodies...</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
				<link>http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2069,up-front-does-my-mortgage-look-like-a-slag-in-this.sm?p=128239#post128239</link>
				<author>Russell Brown</author>
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						<p>New Aussie ad warning young women off another dangerous practice &mdash; texting while driving:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGE8LzRaySk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGE8LzRaySk</a></p><p>4 mins long and extremely graphic.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:26:34 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
				<link>http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2069,up-front-does-my-mortgage-look-like-a-slag-in-this.sm?p=128241#post128241</link>
				<author>giovanni tiso</author>
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						<blockquote><p>The generous reading of that line is that the artist painted bodies (which happened to be beautiful) in such a way (not naked) that it wouldn't be offensive.</p></blockquote><p>It does seem a bit generous. (And they are naked. Although not full frontally. But really I think if the quote is...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:29:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
				<link>http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2069,up-front-does-my-mortgage-look-like-a-slag-in-this.sm?p=128242#post128242</link>
				<author>Craig Ranapia</author>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't know why women dress in such uncomfortable gear</p></blockquote><p>Hey, every so often, I like sucking in the tum-tum, getting tricked out in a ridiculously uncomfortable (and expensive to hire) penguin suit with the dress shoes that should be classed as torture implements, <em>just because I can</em>.  And if...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:30:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tim Hannah</title>
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				<author>Tim Hannah</author>
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						Then again, looking at the art in question more closely, I'm starting to side with you, Giovanni.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:30:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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				<author>giovanni tiso</author>
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						<blockquote><p>4 mins long and extremely graphic.</p></blockquote><p>The ad is <em>four minutes long</em> and they think it's going to work on the attention span of the kind of person who will text while driving? Okay.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:31:06 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
				<link>http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2069,up-front-does-my-mortgage-look-like-a-slag-in-this.sm?p=128245#post128245</link>
				<author>Tom Semmens</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Course not. Young is beautiful and beautiful is moral.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, beauty is truth. ;P</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:35:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
				<link>http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2069,up-front-does-my-mortgage-look-like-a-slag-in-this.sm?p=128247#post128247</link>
				<author>Lucy Stewart</author>
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						<blockquote><p>Yes, beauty is truth. ;P</p></blockquote><p>Shelley, Keats &ndash; what is this, the Thread of Whiny English Poets?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:39:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
				<link>http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2069,up-front-does-my-mortgage-look-like-a-slag-in-this.sm?p=128248#post128248</link>
				<author>giovanni tiso</author>
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						Not to worry, they both died mercifully young.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:41:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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				<author>Craig Ranapia</author>
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						<p>Oh, you asked for it Lucy. :)</p><blockquote><p>I strove with none, for none was worth my strife;<br />Nature I loved, and next to Nature, Art;<br />I warmed both hands before the fire of Life;<br />It sinks, and I am ready to depart.</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:42:58 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
				<link>http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2069,up-front-does-my-mortgage-look-like-a-slag-in-this.sm?p=128250#post128250</link>
				<author>Megan Wegan</author>
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						<blockquote><p>4 mins long and extremely graphic.</p></blockquote><p><em>Dude</em>.  that was horrible.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:43:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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				<author>Danielle</author>
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						<blockquote><p>I would like to see something that tells men it's time to step up and stop being a dick, and that goes for your mates as well</p></blockquote><p>Meta: I must say that this thread is rather warming the cockles of my heart. Not one person has yet said that by...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:44:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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				<author>Craig Ranapia</author>
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						<p>Though fairness forces me to share Dorothy Parker's typically astringent opinion of the author of the above:</p><blockquote><p>Upon the work of Walter Landor<br />  I am unfit to write with candor.<br />  If you can read it, well and good;<br />  But as for me, I never could.</p></blockquote>
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