Is It Because He Loves All Words Equally?

Go and study the ads (on all Public Address pages, but not System) and you'll get the idea. Just post 'em in the discussion.

My goodness. Disable Adblock Plus for a one-time look at PA and it lights up like a Christmas tree! Whodathought?

Although frankly, I'm not sure whether any of them surpass the comedic value of Bishop Brian's press release.

Does anyone else get creeped out by Brian's mate Richard Lewis? Every time I see him I think he looks like a man who gets into bar fights at the weekend.

"For the moment this updater has been removed due to problems found with Carbon/Cocoa apps"

:(,

So true to form ... "The Life of Brian" remake anyone ?

But I didn't expect we would get to the reformation quite so quickly.

I'll just say this is proof that there is a merciful and loving God (and one with a great sense of cosmic irony), who really wants to be left out of New Zealand's domestic politics.

Can I get an amen!

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0709/S00266.htm

It must be wonderful to believe, untroubled by reality. And Copeland's "I'm in damage control" deserves to be on any list of quotes of the year.

So what happens if 2am Sunday week arrives without a patch? In most cases it will probably simply be an irritation. Rather than setting a time zone, you'll have to manually adjust the time on your computer.

And then do it again a week later when the old Daylight Saving...

I'll just say this is proof that there is a merciful and loving God (and one with a great sense of cosmic irony), who really wants to be left out of New Zealand's domestic politics.

Can I get an amen!

Amen Brother, Preach It.

My goodness. Disable Adblock Plus for a one-time look at PA and it lights up like a Christmas tree! Whodathought?

No kidding. I'd forgotten all about ads...

What's With All The Capital Letters In Tamaki's Press Release?

Is It Because He Loves All Words Equally?

This Is Correct Punctuation For...

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0709/S00273.htm

Did they really think the Bishop was going to exit the stage?

For those with an interest in these things, read the Book of Jonah. Its quite short and its hilarious, if you look at it...

Does anyone else get creeped out by Brian's mate Richard Lewis? Every time I see him I think he looks like a man who gets into bar fights at the weekend.

Was it Richard Lewis who appeared in their campaign ad last election? Standing in front of a mirror? In...

In which he cast no reflection?

LOL – do we have a link to that?

Our servers run on Windows Server 2003, and that will change according to the...

Way to go Apple.

Still, if you like shiny over everything else (think iPhone next) rinse and repeat.

>> Can I get an amen!

Which is the position no doubt held by...

This should be softcoded. In early Unix it was (and probably still is,...

Opps, I forgot the big B in Brother.

Thanks Kowhai. But I'm just a brother with a little b. A little brother maybe?

Sorry, I'll just get me coat...

Copeland as Catholic shouldn't be involved with this lot at all,. And doesn't he realise Destiny think the RC Church is the Whore of Babylon (seriously, they do)

Is It Because He Loves All Words Equally?

When One is A Bishop, aka God's Right-Hand Buddy, One's Writing Style Should Adequately Reflect One's (Self)Elevated Style. Amen.

t is heavily Java based – and Sun haven't released a patch

Oh, so the Sun JVM patches we've been applying all over the place here are figments of our imagination? There are both general updates in the 6u2 release and a compatibiliy tool that scans your system for JVMs,...

Well, in some political relationships, when the partners are young and over-eager, they can suffer from premature disintegration.

This in turn is related to organisational schism, or org-schism. With time and practice parties can...

I am only taking the piss out of the big B Tamaki.

these geekzone comments on the issue may help –

they have a java.sun link that'll hopefully help.

As far as I'm aware, Apple say that the Software Updater will do for 10.4 still no joy felines former to Tiger.

Oh, and I think...

You can hold whatever silly beliefs you like, and I will defend your right to hold them (unless they entail harming others), but the beliefs themselves are up for ridicule, satire, whatever.

I was more thinking about defending your right to freedom of speech, even though I loathe what you say.

Not you personally, of course, Stephen.

The Voltaire position? Isn't that the one...

I thought I was missing something akin to 'snowballing' again...

I think you should rename this post "Deriving pleasure from ridiculing the beliefs of others" as a more appropriate title!

I think Copeland's a pillock. He thinks I'm going to burn in the...

I have trouble with all the capital letters mid – command. Good thing biShop taMaki never learNed to code.

The party [__Ed__: Future New Zealand – or its bastard offspring] that will ultimately be registered to contest the 2008 elections will not define itself as a Christian political party but rather a party with a constitutional commitment...

Yes, they are a rhetorical strategy for the American fundamentalist Christian right to disarm the Jews, who historically have been active in insisting on enforcing the constitutional separation of church and state.

What's With All The Capital Letters In Tamaki's Press Release?
Is It Because He Loves All Words Equally?

I think it might be a matter of love the pedant, hate the pedantry, or some such.

I'm running OS9 and 10.2, guess I'm screwed

Not screwed, so much as doomed to be living in the past...

Does anyone know what "Judeo-Christian values" are?

Yes, they are a rhetorical strategy for the American fundamentalist Christian right to disarm the Jews, who historically have been active in insisting on enforcing the constitutional separation of church and state.

Cheers Stephen, interesting point. But given the relatively small number of...

Personally I'd like to know how "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" fits into the Christian political programme.

What's With All The Capital Letters In Tamaki's Press Release?

You know how there's that tradition to capitalise pronouns if they refer to God ("I feel His love.")?

Well, I suspect that Bri would quite like it if people did the same for him. It would be too much if...

Does anyone else get creeped out by Brian's mate Richard Lewis? Every time I see him I think he looks like a man who gets into bar fights at the weekend.

Well, he is a former police officer...

doesn't he realise Destiny think the RC Church is the Whore of Babylon (seriously, they do)

So does this mean their plan to recriminalise prostitution also has another target?

His comment about 'Christian' parties was that the folks who are in them are generally those who are...

I don't think it's an entirely meaningless phrase, even if it is very, very vague. I think the phrase tends to be used as a contrast rather than as a list. It's a bit like 'European'. Clearly not meaningless, but hard to define...

His comment about 'Christian' parties was that the folks who are in them are generally those who are imbued with a highly developed sense of righteousness.

Hmm... I think I would have said, "self-righteousness".

bitter on slavery just like Christians have always been (with individual aberrations of course

You mean small aberrations, like the American South for several hundred years, I presume...

On righteousness: the world is divided into two groups, the righteous and the un-righteous. And the righteous do the dividing. (I wish I knew who came up with that, it's not mine).

"Tactical losses" are more believable.......
...if you are drinking proper whiskey

The score isn't so important......
.....if you order proper whickey

The Guy Is Like The Frank...

Yup. Exactly. Was not the American Civil War claimed to be over slavery? Who else would ever have bothered for such a cause?

Does anyone know what "Judeo-Christian values" are?

Is that so they can include Old Testament values in their policies – eye-for-an-eye, death penalty etc., rather than just the New testament 'love your neighbour'...?

Hey I never said such values were well thought out. Christianity obviously had to reconcile it's slave origins with the fact that it took over the Roman Empire, and that involves making effective slaves in a different form, hence peasants.

And...

I don't think it's quite that simple. Judeo-Christian doesn't just mean Old Testament. Christians probably revere the New Testament more. It's what distinguished them from other Jews, along with...

The self riighteousness of any group is dwarfed by the self riighteousness of the political left.

The self riighteousness of any group is dwarfed by the self riighteousness of the political left.

Not much that's objective about that, except for perhaps the fact that the political left dwarfs every other group.

Right, but would you think people who use the term intend to include Islam?

I still reckon it's one of those phrases which...

I have always understood "Judeo-Christian" to be more of a reference to the historical origins of a religion. Islam, for example, has Judeo-Christian origins whereas Hinduism doesn't.

That was my understanding too. The term doesn't need to be so loaded. Judeo-Christian ideas are woven into the fabric of everyday life...

So's the road to heaven. So don't look at the cobblestones, read the signs.

The Romans saw Judaism as...

Personally I'd like to know how "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" fits into the Christian political programme.

Actually, this was Jesus' prescient response to a version of today's cry "it's our money". Ceasar, IIRC, was not of Judeo-Christian persuasion.

Judeo-Christian

...

If they get to keep Israel powerful, maybe it's not such a big price to pay. Only the Jews that don't want Israel (or at least not at the cost it...

My reading is that that alliance is a highly contentious issue in the community, for...

Scotland produces the world's best in two fields...
Rugby isn't one of them.

Jeremy wins! Normally I'd let it run a bit longer, but I needed to get this one done. Jeremy, email me with a delivery address.

Everyone else can feel free to keep trying for next week's fine...

My reading is that that alliance is a highly contentious issue in the community, for that reason and others.

Indeed. I wouldn't want to wade into that one myself. I am nowhere near informed enough. I only joined in this conversation to
agree with Felix about the definition of "Judeo-Christian"...

__"If they get to keep Israel powerful, maybe it's not such a big price to pay. Only the Jews that don't want Israel (or at least not at the cost it currently incurs) get annoyed."

My reading is that that alliance is a highly contentious issue in the community, for...

Jeremy wins!

OMG!! I never win anything!!

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0709/S00280.htm

But it turns out that gauche Gordon is just an act. He's actually been working undercover for Helen Clark...

But it turns out that gauche Gordon is just an act

I've been wondering this for a day or so now, well actually, I've been wondering if he's really an actor playing some elaborate role, or some sort of performace artist even.

'Cos he sure aint no politician.

Christian values. I, for instance, am bitter on slavery just like Christians have always been (with individual aberrations of

Where do people get the idea that Christians have always been opposed to slavery? Or that the USA is in any way more culpable than any other country? England, Belgium, Spain,...

OK, perhaps I was inspecific. They were originally against it, then for it, then against it again. Whereas some religions have never been against it.

Where do people get the idea that Christians have always been opposed to slavery?

OK, perhaps I was inspecific. They were originally against it, then for it, then against it again. Whereas some religions have never been against it.

Why do you think Christians were originaly against slavery?

(i'm too new at this to attempt to link to it but someone might help a brother out?)

Andy – I just managed to make my first link and as a non techie the steam was coming out my ears by the end. Here's an explanation- I'm sure the experts...

They were originally against it, then for it, then against it again.

No, Christianity wasn't originally against slavery. Christianity was for slavery until it started shucking off bronze age morals. Just like everybody else.

My goodness. Disable Adblock Plus for a one-time look at PA and it lights up like a Christmas tree! Whodathought?

Heh. I'll remember you to my children when they don't get any Christmas presents because Daddy didn't sell enough ad impressions this year ....

Andy – I just managed to make my first link and as a non techie the steam was coming out my ears by the end. Here's an explanation- I'm sure the experts do it better.

And also, if it's a short link, you can just paste it in and it...

OK, perhaps I was inspecific. They were originally against it, then for it, then against it again. Whereas some religions have never been against it.

Some Old Testament Advice on Slavery

Heh. I'll remember you to my children when they don't get any Christmas presents because Daddy didn't sell enough ad impressions this year ....

Damn that open source movement and their Christmas wrecking capabilities!

Does anyone know what "Judeo-Christian values" are?

Well – you could ask Gordon himself...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGDsSKblfLo

Gordo's up with the YouTube generation :-)

Damn that open source movement and their Christmas wrecking capabilities!

Damn you pretty Nelson types...It's free as in anti-slavery not as in beer.

I too have to pay for Xmas.

Richard Lewis says he so is a co-leader.

Well – you could ask Gordon himself...

"Western Values" (erm Greek)

Democracy (erm, Greek)

10 Commandments – Ok, the Judeo bit, tick, and it sounds like according to Gordon NZ is bang on with these ones. Waiting to hear from

The Chinese Communists believe Christianity is at the heart of...

Because huge numbers of them were slaves, or became slaves.

Some Old Testament Advice on Slavery

Nice. I don't see much of the word of Jesus approving of it there, although Luke says that he made some sort of point about...

On the Christianity and slavery bit, Christ doesn't say peep against slavery either.

The 'Render Unto Caesar comment' bit comes in the context of people trying to get him to get into politics, essentially. He doesn't buy it. Smart guy.

As for Copeland being part of...

Actually, I can inform readers that the Destiny releases actually came in IN ALL CAPS. The Scoop operative in question felt the best readability-to-time-fixing ratio was to title case the whole thing.

I feel a bit guilty about it, but this bothers me only slightly less than their self important...

It wasn't my point though, which was more that the values we tend to automatically accept come mostly from the society we are raised in. Our current society abhors slavery and has a highly Judeo-Christian background.

Hmm, I don't think it quite works that way. Civil rights for minorities have...

This seemed to be the case with the recent argument...

Yup, but have a guess which societies moved towards secularism first?

Perhaps that was a function of how fuxored Christianity was, or perhaps it was a function...

Scotland produces the world's best in two fields...
Rugby isn't one of them

either is whiskey

I rest my case

Slainte

Damn you pretty Nelson types...It's free as in anti-slavery not as in beer.

I too have to pay for Xmas.

Oh I'm right with you really. Firefox with my favourite extensions switched off is like dreaming you're Dan Carter then waking up to find you're really Peter Dunne.

And as has been noted by many commentators, irrespective of whichever set one happens to be considering, the moral value...

I'm not blaming her at all, Craig, nor her children. I'm blaming him for not informing her at some stage in the twenty odd years they were together that this eventuality may occur.

Jackie, well I'd like to apologise too – it was really unfair to say you were somehow...

I'm blaming him for not informing her at some stage in the twenty odd years they were together that this eventuality may occur.

Surely you didn't mean to write that Jackie?

Can we at least concur that Tamaki is a scary so and so?

Certainly not. He is a figure...

Can we at least concur that Tamaki is a scary so and so?

Yes, but he doesn't scare me as much as the brown-neck bigots (both with and without dog collars) who actually have real influence – and waching theuniversal post-mortem whitewash applied to Whakahuihui Vercoe's often vile bigotry was...

Anyway, sure the guy should...

If they get to keep Israel powerful, maybe it's not such a big price to pay. Only the Jews that don't want Israel (or at least not at the cost it currently incurs) get annoyed.

What people don't realise is that there are actually Israelis who hold progressive left-wing views...

He gives the 10 Commandments plenty of air-time, without of course acknowledging there is no single, agreed-upon set of 10 Commandments.

We should be thankful, I suppose, about Moses' fit of pique that destroyed a whole load of other commandments (carelessness with God's words, or what?).

With the full monty...

I suspect some of the comments in this thread have been influenced by Dawkins and Hitchens, so to continue in that vein, I think they say the rediscovery of ideas from the Greek philosophers was more important than...

Oh, and he reckoned God spoke to him from a burning...

Alright, wrong end of the week for this, but since no-one else is having a go:

On the All Blacks' side by day
On the Speyside by evening

If you think a...

Dr Kate Dewes received a Peace Award & Green Stone Pendant "Hine Roko Nui" (Roko was to my ear & may be Rongo with Kai Tahu dialect variation) tonight in CHCH at the Peace Bell in the Gardens of Hagley Park.

http://www.paradise-press.co.nz/wpb.html

Otago will be offering a Peace Degree next...

Could we also, perhaps, not follow North America's silly little ways and not talk about "daylight savings".

It's always been about saving daylight towards the evening.

"Daylight saving."

If your computer uses New Zealand time, you can make sure your Mac OS X clock displays the correct time during the intervening week (from 30-September-2007 to 07-October-2007) with these steps.

Note: Do not follow these steps until September 30, 2007. Follow them only if you use New Zealand...