08 Internet NZ: Where now?

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  • robbery,

    costello wasn't half as clever as I think he thought he was, not to say he wasn't clever,

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Rowe,

    Apparently there is a lot of debate whether he said it at all.

    http://www.pacifier.com/~ascott/they/tamildaa.htm

    however it is probably said in frustration that a journalist could try and explain what he was doing when one of the joys of music is the personal interpretation you make of it.

    My point was in response to the original question whether posting a clip was laziness. Some would feel more comfortable posting a clip than writing a gushing post and feeling that have failed to make their case as strongly in words as they felt at the time.

    Radio Sport has a lot of ads for best of CDs etc (when they're not advertising erectile disfunction or brothels) and they constantly refer to One of the Greatest American Band of All Time. It's a stretch referring to the Doors, but to America it is ludicrous - hyperbole like that brings everybody down.

    Lake Roxburgh, Central Ot… • Since Nov 2006 • 565 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    at least they're not forgetting their is a world outside America and qualifying best band of all time with 'sub category' 'American'.
    I get sick of the meaningless hyperbole but then I guess these guys have got to try something to trick you into buying their sub par music,

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    No high hopes here. Broadband will remain wretchedly expensive.

    Predicting technological advances is a mug's game. Even Moore's law may fail us.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8737 posts Report Reply

  • daleaway,

    I was not aware of Elvis C's disparagement of dancing about architecture, but I know very well that Goethe claimed that architecture is frozen music.

    Which makes the dancing not unreasonable.

    What tune do you think is sung by those public loos we were talking about, Kracklite? Cue Water Music puns.

    Since Jul 2007 • 180 posts Report Reply

  • DeepRed,

    If recent history is anything to go by, my TelstraClear cable plan will relax its monthly free bandwidth cap again.

    When I originaly got cable in late 2005, I started on a 5GB traffic plan for $69/mth. Just a year later, it quadrupled to 20GB - and all I had to do was sit back and pay nothing extra, with little or no loss of signal.

    Plus, the downstream cap doubled from 2Mbps to 4Mbps over the same period. And TCL's long-delayed 25Mbps upgrade to its network is finally on its way.

    The downside? With Welly CBD apartment dwellers on the increase, current availability of cable broadband in apartments and townhouse blocks is around 20%, and TCL has said it's unviable for them to wire up unless 60%+ of the residents in any one building want cable all at once.
    But TCL has started to address the issue, and they've formed a new unit for that purpose. CityLink was a bit like that when it started out, and now their coverage in Welly's CBD is almost perfect.

    As for those outside WLG & CHC, I just hope Telecom keeps its side of the bargain with LLU when it rolls out the fibre cabinets. Irrespective of what happens in the ADSL arena, there'll be further consolidation of the ISP market - already Vodafone is killing off the IHUG brand.

    Wireless broadband (including mobile and satellite) will further advance, but at a snail's pace, and will never be a substitute for wired broadband.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 4431 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Predicting technological advances is a mug's game. Even Moore's law may fail us.

    This I agree. However there are a couple of elective papers being run at the industrial design school (the fun one of Cuber street) that look at extending the interactive technology. One paper deals with input ;mouse and key board extra. The other deals with out put; robots, such as monitors and printers.

    I think, when the internet technology, the actual interface, cause and effect, key board, mouse and monitor become less like a book, more multi player, we will find more participants.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2807 posts Report Reply

  • Ben Austin,

    The problem with relying on TCL as your saviour for high speed internet is that they are at the mercy of their owner for investment capital. Just how long will Telstra (Australia) keep the tap (sort of) open?

    London • Since Nov 2006 • 897 posts Report Reply

  • Tim Michie,

    The YouTube/CNN debates in the states looked like a bandwidth bandwagon worth trying here I thought. Last election pollies dipped their toes into blogging and discussions - but compared to the usual sturm and drang about you wouldn't really have noticed without seeking them out. If anything, old fashioned shoe leather campaigning brought home the bacon for Labour last time.

    A NZ channel YouTube voter vid questions to candidates I think would fly especially for the smaller players - both tv and parties. Alt, Triangle, C4, anyone?

    Hey Russell - http://www.colin.tv/ is still available...

    Auckward • Since Nov 2006 • 573 posts Report Reply

  • InternationalObserver,

    I'd just like to log on, click, and have the page roll down immediately. And without being disconnected every few hours. And yes, I'm on broadband.

    Since Jun 2007 • 909 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Although I supposed it's a relief to Jordan Carter to have his longtime trolls go somewhere else for their jollies. I honestly think those clowns have no idea how their behaviour appears to relatively normal people.

    I don't disagree with any of the above, but there's another part of that equation bloggers (particularly political ones) need to think about. Offal attracts vermin, and shit gets covered in flies and maggots in no time at all. Yes, I'm not arguing there isn't a really nasty level of trollism around. But I don't have a lot of sympathy for bloggers who go out to be provocative, then play the victim when they get an entirely predictable response. To be bluntly non-partisan about it, I think that's a charge that can on occasion be justly laid at the feet of Kiwiblog and The Standard. (Hope I'm not crushing anyone's dissent, Snowy.)

    Sadly, I share Emma's "dark forboding feeling of oncoming nasties - from both sides." But its not inevitable unless bloggers decide that's how they want it to be, and politically active folks are willing to tolerate it, whether actively (with traffic and linky love) or passively (by staying silent when the trolls come out from under their bridges).

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12073 posts Report Reply

  • InternationalObserver,

    off topic but but tangentially related perhaps ...


    I've just spent the morning watching segments of the TV show FAME on Utube. I could take a cheap shot at the fan who posted 400 videos but it was strangely addictive. They just don't make TV like that anymore. So cheesey!

    But anyway, as I was watching the old bits I was feeling quite nostalgic. And I thought: I'd buy that for a dollar! (Robocop)
    And the penny dropped. That's the Apple masterplan. Music is one thing but TV will be the next*. In 5 years we'll all be watching TV shows downloaded in hi-quality off the web. That's what the Writers strike is all about.


    (*yeah, I know it's been touted for years, but only now am I starting to believe it will happen)

    Since Jun 2007 • 909 posts Report Reply

  • Robyn Gallagher,

    I've just spent the morning watching segments of the TV show FAME on Utube.

    Oh no. Now I'm going to have to go and watch them. Heeelp!

    I loved the Fame movie too - especially how Leroy would parade around on rollerskates, cut-off jean shorts and a belly-button-revealing cropped T-shirt with "L E R O Y" on it and he was supposed to be playing a heterosexual hottie. But it fooled me as a child!

    Raglan • Since Nov 2006 • 1878 posts Report Reply

  • Trakman,

    Okay my biggest fear, which is actually going to happen...
    Telecom waits for all ISPs to invest significantly in LLB (local loop unbundling) by installing DSLAMs into unbundled Exchanges...
    As soon as they're tied their money up, Telecom rolls out it's NGN by running fiber to roadside cabinets, cleverly bypassing the new regulations shafting it's rivals and re-establishing itself as a monopoly...and 'whoops! we forgot to leave enough room in our roadside cabinets for competitors equipment, SORRY!!'

    It's time that Local Councils and Government got together and funded the digging up and laying of FTTP (fiberoptic to the premises). Yes we are sparsely populated, but if someone can get fiber to my street I'll dig a trench and sort out the rest, like most kiwis would if we had the chance.
    By the time we get ADSL2+, the rest of the world will have fiber.
    Can we just bypass this outdated technology and get first world Internet connections already???

    ps - if you don't already; you should point your RSS aggretator to Ernie Newman's 'Downstream' blog - always great for keeping up with the play on such matters of woe...

    http://www.tuanz.org.nz/blog/e379f711-b2b6-4423-9e32-4a8bf9f301db/rss.aspx

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle,

    I still quote Debbie Allen on a regular basis. 'Well fame costs! And right here's where you start paying. In *sweat*!'

    I think Leroy (the actor) died in Paris relatively recently, in straitened circumstances. RIP Leroy.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3669 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    I think Leroy (the actor) died in Paris relatively recently, in straitened circumstances. RIP Leroy.

    Gene Anthony Ray died in 2003, due to complications from a stroke and was reportedly HIV-positive (which can't have helped). Apparently, the same old story -- a hell of a lot of money got turned into a hell of a lot of drugs and booze, which destroyed his ability to work (along with a rather messy family), and he just never quite got his shit together long enough for a second act.

    I loved the Fame movie too - especially how Leroy would parade around on rollerskates, cut-off jean shorts and a belly-button-revealing cropped T-shirt with "L E R O Y" on it and he was supposed to be playing a heterosexual hottie. But it fooled me as a child!

    Wouldn't read too much into that -- remember it was New York. The 70's. Leg-warmers and spandex were unisex. They were different times...

    Debbie Allen, OTOH, just keeps on sweating -- and I've got to admit the all-black production of Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, which opens in previews on Broadway next week, has a damn impressive cast. Hope Allen's direction is up to it, because her last turn on Broadway -- choreographer of the infamously stinky Carrie: The Musical -- wasn't exactly a resume enhancer.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12073 posts Report Reply

  • andrew llewellyn,

    Carrie: The Musical

    Such a promising idea (bwahaha yeah. Right.)

    Since Nov 2006 • 2075 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Hosking,

    Re:Elvis Costello. And he was perceived, at the time, as being a critics' favourite.

    Someone - can't recall who, but I think it might have been Eddie Van Halen - said most rock critics liked Elvis Costello because most of them looked like Elvis Costello.

    Prediction for internet: A lot of the great stuff on YouTube will disappear as the copyright lawyers hoe into it. Which will be a shame as there's a ton of great old musical obscurities on there.

    Like this:

    South Roseneath • Since Nov 2006 • 805 posts Report Reply

  • Trakman,

    Here's a good article re: pushing FTTH

    Telecom's roadside cabinet's using ADSL2+ (24Mbps, or more like 18 if you're lucky...) technology aren't going to provide enough bandwidth if 3 or 4 people ('mum, dad & the kids') each want to stream their own HD-channel/movie. When is the NZ govt. gonna wake up and decide on a long term plan/some future vision??? For the love of god, please spend tax payer money on high-bandwidth infrastructure like fiber-to-the-home, cause Telecom will keep shafting us and competing ISPs (with bs like roadside cabinets) Ad infinitum...

    http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/netw/79B1D05DE5BFC054CC2573E200109A5B

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    "satellite internet" services use the same frequency block for a large area of the South Pacific. So a satellite provider has to send all its traffic down one bit of bandwidth - that's a pretty scarce resource. Hence satellite internet is only ever going to be a remote area solution. (Compare wired solutions, where you have each circuit on independent bandwidth, or cellular solutions like Woosh or WiMax, where the bandwidth is shared by a smallish locality).

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4501 posts Report Reply

  • Snowy,

    Wellington • Since Jan 2008 • 62 posts Report Reply

  • Compie,

    If the NZ blogosphere wasn't a shit fight I'd love to see that really fizzing this election. Where are the information designers and the web geeks collaborations, and what better time than an election to do it.

    Having spent the last 6months in Vancouver, the biggest thing I am missing is walking into more or less any half decent cafe and you could sit down to free wi-fi. Now I don't know what it's like in the rest of the country, but the free wi-fi cafes in Dunners are seemingly non existant. It was the best thing to be actually having a coffee and doing the fun things like having a dig at kiwiblog from the other side of the world. Or the coolest was sitting in a 24hr free wif-fi cafe (big ups Waves Cafe) and listening to the Super 14 at midnight sunday/monday. I asked a few cafe owners over there and for them it's no expense, if the customer is getting a coffee every now and then they're fine if you sat there all day - which being without an office over there I did from time to time. free wi-fi in Cafes please. As the self titled coffee culture capital of the world, I thought there would have been enough competition in NZ cafes to see someone offer free wi-fi. Telecom hotspot is not free wif-fi.

    Vancouver broadband = 2.5-3.5X faster at only about 20% extra coast with 50Gb+ plans (and free computer to new customers!).

    Craigslist NZ bigtime. Why do we pay for trademe when I sold our entire house lot of furniture the night before we left Vancouver over craigslist, the best thing since...

    I'd love to see Public Address and Idealog get together, dont ask how or why. Organise a conference guys, I'd be there.

    Dunedin/Vancouver • Since Nov 2006 • 114 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    So a satellite provider has to send all its traffic down one bit of bandwidth - that's a pretty scarce resource.

    and yet those crazy japs aren't listening to your "no can do" speak.

    japan launches high speed internet satellite almost as if to mock you.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg,

    Having spent the last 6months in Vancouver, the biggest thing I am missing is walking into more or less any half decent cafe and you could sit down to free wi-fi.

    or mall or airport or park, just about anywhere in the world for that matter...its a part of the World Wide Whatever which has passed NZ by.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3215 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    its a part of the World Wide Whatever which has passed NZ by.

    the worlds not quite that good, you're talking asia for free, unfortunately large parts of europe are hooked on the pay model, although if you're lucky you can steal someones unprotected wireless connection. there's a site devoted to the locations of such un-passworded locations although I'm too lazy to go find it.

    the reason nz won't be free for a while is cos most plans are pay for gigs used, and if they are all you can eat it will dumb your speed down when you appear to be eating a lot, so it costs shops to provide for customers.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

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