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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						Great post Jolisa, I was hoping you'd cover some of this stuff, namely the Historian and Stead. Challenging the contemporary perception of writers as measured observational types, it's feeling to the common man that literature may once again be teetering on dangerous.
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				<title>Jolisa</title>
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						<blockquote><p>it's feeling to the common man that literature may once again be teetering on dangerous.</p></blockquote><p>I know! Also, mad and bad! <em>Vive</em> Lord Byron.</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Duck and cover, <em>friends and relations</em>!</p></blockquote><p>Now <em>that</em> was a great collection of short stories!</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And on the third hand, there's the story about the Janet Frame story, mentioned by Fergus Barrowman in the comments here</p></blockquote><p>I was rather bemused at another comment suggesting that <em>All Visitors Ashore</em> was some kind of "revenge" on Frame.  Not so sure about that &ndash; "Celia Skyways" is no?</p>
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						<p>Yay!  At 6.48pm last night I wrote <a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2444,cracker-about-a-boy.sm?p=162585#post162585" target="_blank">this</a>.</p><blockquote><p>Forget the 80s, I'm getting nostalgic for Jolisa's bookie thread.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not claiming the second sight or anything, but it is nice to have you back.  You're sure getting us reading, but.  I'm about a third of the way through.  So I'll?</p>
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						Great post Jolisa. I've been following this quietly amused.
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						<blockquote><p>Two rival women writers, say, and a bereaved husband ripe for the wooing &mdash; a gender flip</p></blockquote><p>That sounds awfully... feminist. (And we all know how Stead feels about feminists, because they're in nearly every one of his books, peskily demanding things at universities. No, I don't find his obvious?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>"The reason I set this story in Croatia, rather than in New Zealand, was because everybody would have tried to work out who the characters were, and I didn't want that."</p></blockquote><p>He was determined to also win the prize for disingenous comment of the decade then? That seems greedy.</p>
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				<title>Pauline Dawson</title>
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						Great post on the Stead thing.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>He was determined to also win the prize for disingenous comment of the decade then?</p></blockquote><p>Then again, Anthony Powell was rather benused by various people who ran around claiming they were the real life models of his "chateau-bottled shit" Kenneth Widmerpool in <em>A Dance to The Music of Time</em> --?</p>
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						Off topic I know but people have had fun learning to pronounce the volcano as Eyjafjallajokull but that is the glacier underneath Eyjafjoell the volcano. Much easier to say.
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						I don't think there's much point in imagining ways in which Stead's revenge fantasy could have been divorced from the events that so obviously inspired it.  A more interesting question, I think, is whether the judges knew about the background of the story before they awarded it the prize.  Surely?
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						<blockquote><p>I was rather bemused at another comment suggesting that All Visitors Ashore was some kind of "revenge" on Frame. Not so sure about that &ndash; "Celia Skyways" is no more ridiculous than anyone else in that tragi-comic farce.</p></blockquote><p>I saw that too. But if you look at the comment, you?</p>
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				<title>Jolisa</title>
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						<p><strong>Graeme</strong></p><blockquote><p>Now that was a great collection of short stories!</p></blockquote><p>I think of them as "hums", but yes. (Unless you're talking about Elizabeth Bowen, or possibly the Hawkwind albums?)</p><p><strong>Craig</strong>:</p><blockquote><p>I've got half a dozen unpublishable novels gathering dust, that suggest to me that it's too damn hard work for?</p></blockquote>
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						<p><strong>Craig, again</strong>:</p><blockquote><p>Then again, Anthony Powell was rather bemused by various people who ran around claiming they were the real life models of his "chateau-bottled shit" Kenneth Widmerpool</p></blockquote><p>Quite. We all want a piece of the action, even if it's nasty action. Which reminds me of the observation made by?</p>
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						<p><strong>Andre</strong>:</p><blockquote><p>I don't think there's much point in imagining ways in which Stead's revenge fantasy could have been divorced from the events that so obviously inspired it.</p></blockquote><p>Except, perhaps, as a creative writing exercise. And one that reveals some of the holes in the original scenario (see above, re Manic?</p>
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						<p>"Am I the only one who wanted to print this out, roll it up, and deliver it to our own Minister of Social Development and Employment?"</p><p>No, no, and no again. You are not the only one. I wonder if J K Rowling would allow it be be printed in?</p>
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				<title>Ngaire BookieMonster</title>
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						<p>Yay, Jolisa's here!</p><p>I was tossing up whether to blog about this but in the end decided not to (i.e. got distracted by cats). But "brouhaha" was exactly the word I was going to use. Possibly it would also have been less of a brouhaha if it hadn't involved Stead??</p>
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						<blockquote><p>"Am I the only one who wanted to print this out, roll it up, and deliver it to our own Minister of Social Development and Employment?"</p></blockquote><p>What's stopping you? :)</p>
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						<blockquote><p>you do have the second sight. There I sat last night, putting in all the links, thinking "must post before Russell fires me."</p></blockquote><p>Unlike Stead, I suspect Russell won't declare your views are no longer relevant because you've been too busy to blog for a while.  He seems a patient?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Here, take my advice, I'm not using it...</p></blockquote><p>Yoink</p>
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						<blockquote><p>What's stopping you? :)</p></blockquote><p>Ten thousand miles, or so. I'd need a ruthless and dedicated accomplice...</p><blockquote><p>when it comes to writing, it's quality, not quantity (or frequency), that fosters immortality.</p></blockquote><p>Which is why I reckon that Keri H is entitled to sit on her laurels, like Harper Lee. The book?</p>
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						That Harper Lee namecheck reminds me to link to <a href="http://nymag.com/arts/books/features/65210/" target="_blank">this</a> very interesting story about a guy who nearly published a JD Salinger book and blew it.
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						Thanks Philip- that's a great Salinger story.
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						<blockquote><p>And I'm reliably informed that there's a piece on the Stead story in next week's Listener.</p></blockquote><p>That would be the issue dated May 1-7. Cover quote:</p><blockquote><p>War of the words.  CK Stead's latest literary spat</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>Because authors don't just conjure characters out of thin air, do they? Or order them from catalogues of clichés?</p></blockquote><p>well now, there's a gap in the market...<br />perhaps my oft touted <strong>Idea Orphanage</strong><br />could solve this problem, or a dedicated<br /><em>bespokesperson people4parts service</em> ...</p><p><strong>Strangers in a Drain</strong><br />"Le's swap?</p>
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				<title>Fergus Barrowman</title>
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						This is completely irrelevant, but has anyone else noticed that the PA ratio of responses to views is usually about 1:30? What does it mean when it gets wider? Wider public interest, or a few tragics compulsively checking back?
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What does it mean when it gets wider? Wider public interest, or a few tragics compulsively checking back?</p></blockquote><p>It can mean that more people are involved in the conversation. If 30 of them are checking whenever a new comments is posted, you can get to that ratio without a very?</p>
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						(In saying that, I'd definitely count myself a "tragic", but hey, no offense taken.)
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						None offered, he said tragically.
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						<blockquote><p>the best defense is to preemptively grant your based-on-life character an enormous willy, on the grounds that they'll be too flattered to sue. Hard to think what the feminine equivalent would be; I don't think we're that flatterable.</p></blockquote><p>Loved by all?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>ratio of responses to views is usually about 1:30</p></blockquote><p>Corresponds roughly with expected proportions of lurkers to talkers in any online community, though I recall Giovanni reckons it's less here if page reloads are accounted for.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>"I don't believe it was a hoax. I base it on the fact that it appeared in a Harvard Law School text 70 years after the fact,"</p></blockquote><p>that's got to be the most credulous line i've read since the "hope and change" millennialist religious movement of 2008.</p><p>nice work Matt?</p>
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						<p>GASP! <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/apr/23/poison-pen-reviews-historian-orlando-figes" target="_blank">Poison Pen Reviews Were Mine, confesses historian Orlando Figes</a></p><blockquote><p>According to a spokesman from Birkbeck College neither Figes nor his employer had anything further to say. "He's on sick leave and we're offering our support," he said.</p></blockquote><p>Oh dear.</p>
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				<title>Jolisa</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Loved by all?</p></blockquote><p>Curse you! Er, I mean, no, you'd never get away with that. Not a weak spot at all. No sir.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 04:52:42 +1200</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't think we're that flatterable.</p><p>Curse you! Er, I mean, no, you'd never get away with that. Not a weak spot at all. No sir.</p></blockquote><p>Is this the right time to mention <a href="http://www.blaghag.com/2010/04/quick-clarification-about-boobquake.html" target="_blank">BoobQuake</a>?</p><p>No, probably not.  Carry on.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:34:26 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Heh. Every day is BoobQuake at my house.* But sure, in the interests of science, I'll crank it up a bit. And because it's spring.</p><p>I only wish I'd had enough notice to pin down a sponsorship deal with Bravissimo.</p><p>*Also, every day is Scientific Method day, what with a?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:56:17 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Books, dammit, <em>books</em>!  Next we'll be thread-drifting in the direction of, I don't know, boots or something, and that can only be... </p><p>...mmm, <a href="http://www.fluevog.com/code/?w[]=gender:women&amp;w[]=attribute:Boot" target="_blank">good</a>.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:04:07 +1200</pubDate>
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						Mmm, boots. I like boots. Suede ones in particular. Now, on books, Jasper fforde's <em>Shades of grey</em>. Any thoughts? Next <em>Next</em> in 2012 apparently.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:44:08 +1200</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>GASP! Poison Pen Reviews Were Mine, confesses historian Orlando Figes</p></blockquote><p>So nice of him to implicate the wife first... bless. And they say gallantry is dead.</p>
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				<title>Gregor Ronald</title>
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						I think I agree with Bill Manhire. This fuss reminds me of Chief Broom, in the preface to "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"; "It's all true, even if it never happened."
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						<p>Nice line, Gregor.</p><p>Meanwhile, over in the embarrassingly entertaining Daily Mail, Rachel Polonsky gives a blow-by-blow account of figuring out what Orlando Figes was up to: <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1268660/How-I-rumbled-lying-professor-The-story-discredited-don-rubbished-rivals-Amazon--left-wife-blame.html" target="_blank">How I Rumbled Lying Professor</a>. Undone by a wish-list; there's something sadly poetic about that.</p>
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						I'm always jumping back but ... referring to Stead's story and Nigel Cox's article about Stead ... I read them both last night and thought that Cox was really harsh. I admire Stead. Enjoyed his recent 'My Name is Judas'. He was a good lecturer and his New Poetic textbook?
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				<title>Marie</title>
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						The thing I found most revealing and nasty about the Stead story was that it held very closely to the actual course of Nigel's illness (the radiation, the chemotherapy, the spread to the liver, the public disclosure). The rapid compliance and disloyalty of the widow was an appalling piece of?
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						<blockquote>Which is why I reckon that Keri H is entitled to sit on her laurels, like Harper Lee. The book is on bookshelves everywhere I go. I can't tell you how many people, on hearing where I'm from, have said "I read the most amazing novel..." (usually in tandem with?</blockquote>
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