Point to Mr. Christie. Won?t stop the media?s ?get a room and fuck already? bad bromance with Peters, though. Gaga, oooh la la?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2EJai-3k2w

Or, possibly, the name of a proposed new country.

I may not agree with their strategy, but I'll fight to the death for their right to execute it.

It could be a celebration of that libertarian paradise called Liberia.

The plural of Libertarian is an argument.

God and imagine their national anthem. T'would go on for hours.

http://pointlessandabsurd.blogspot.com/2011/09/party-non-political-broadcast.html

Statue of what?

Then realising it was an LI
I figure it must be advertising
a collection of places to see Liberace
and other heavenly stars...

Otherwise known as a Single Non-transferable Vote.

They should be called the Cognitive Dissonance Party.

Actually from what I've seen, I think all Mr Peters' years of hating out at the media have finally come home to roost. He's been denied entry to the two minor leaders' debates on TVNZ because?

You say 'hating out at the media'. I say?

Of course it's not. It's being a representative voice for the disenfranchised.

(There is such a thing as benefit of the doubt, you know. For a reason.)

...period.

'demonstrating the media's inadequacies in a highly amusing manner'. He calls them as he sees them.

It?s being a representative voice for the disenfranchised.

the man?s got style.

Fuck me! you should read what you write sometimes and be forced to look at the history of said politician. Yep, matchsticks?

I have.

I don't agree with how he's gone about it, but I get where he's coming from. He speaks for the old, for those no-one else speaks for or listens to.

And what is?

I've often said they deserve better.

But let's get real. He is not a fool and he has achieved things he said he would do. Anyone's parents or grandparents use a gold card on the bus to get them places they couldn't go to otherwise?

I think you thank Winston for that. Something real and?

And yes, I've spoken to the man face to face on?

I recall saying something about not agreeing with them in fact.

And as for media manipulation, well. He knows how to deal with lying pricks too. Give as good as you get.

The man?s got style.

(Oh right, those methods I?

Did I say stare him down?

The cosy consensus makes things?

Keep it cosy kids.

I'm pretty sure Winston has had more than his fair share of taxpayer funded opportunities to contribute. About 30 years worth of opportunities, give or take. And what is his legacy? Free Burger King fries and ferry rides for?

You said it, my egg-sucking chum

Nice! I even have a grandmother-teaching outfit.

But, yeah, I'm over it.

It's happened before? I haven't been around PAS much these past few months, so that's new to me, must just be a happy coincidence that I've arrived at the same conclusion others obviously have in the past.

So, yeah, I'm over it too.

That's just the plural of Libertarian

Not a word one often needs to pluralize, I would have thought.

Well, it's not a word one often wants to need to pluralize.

Did I say stare him down?

Ok pendant look him in the eye.
It a rare "privilege" to be lied to by someone as you "look them in the eye" or as they perhaps see it "telling their truth". Something I?

gold

dynamic, even

I?m just trying to work out how I managed to become part of a clique in 83 posts. It?s like I was on some sort of clique fast-track?

Hey, I'm in my late 40's and I can *feel* my brain starting to decay. By 65, I doubt it'll be functional enough to make sensible voting decisions.

Inscribed on the statue's plaque: "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free". Seemingly not if the "huddled masses" are from south of the border or from desert lands in the East.

And we will build a Nation of tired, poor huddled masses yearning to breath free and get them to work for us.

Yes, I was in there myself, and I wonder if it was profound moment of generational disconnect. "How the fuck did my son turn into a fascist?" would?

My father finished his six year contract as a CEO for a large govt department, preceded by 5 years as a Commissioner of Police, preceded by a very healthy career?

aha, previous coinversations here making more sense :)

Dude, at least you have an adorable baby bearing half your DNA (and with Klingon brow-ridges) to go home to. I taunt the neighbour's cat.

I tend to agree with that statement.
We went to the Back Benches debate last night and I was?

It was indeed a scrabble-y affair.

My interactions with the crowd of politicised future hopes consisted of;
"Hey Djokovich, nicely played."
and a young man who every time I walked past said;
"I love you man."

I was filled with hope and... give me strength.

I have to?

Hey, you smiled and waved, which seemed par for the course in the circumstances.
7 letter word with an X in it
Fixated?
Expunge?
Extinct?

House bound this evening. Have a good one.

How late you staying? I have a meeting at 6:30, but would pop in later if some peeps are going to be there.

Seriously, I'll see you later then, don't know when this meeting's going to end, but I'll drop in to see if you're still around after.

I do recall when Perigo's radio show was cancelled and he ranted about it being the work of "my enemies". The idea that the owners of the business?

Totally. As a 13 year old Alex P Keaton was my hero. When the crash came in 87 I mourned the fact I would never be a yuppie. Personally I think it was the fact that?

When you hold a mirror to those Randroid types, it?ll crack. I made a couple of comments in that post, and they didn't even bother rebutting, instead veering dangerously?

Cheers. A shame that piece of wisdom isn't more widespread.

Right up there with L Ron Hubbard.

I reckon they should be more outspoken, not less.?

Hell, I never even tried to answer that kind of question as a philosophy student. I can't see it going anywhere useful, other than perhaps to signal what you're into, so that like-minded people are?

whiny little pricks, aren't they

As has been noted before, the name says it all. A party for those enamoured by the passion of Onan.

Yeah, there is an element of like-mindedness, otherwise known as taste. Certain kinds of?

Next Thursday...
The Universe, is it really big?.

An art work is an object, whether real or virtual, whose constituent elements have been intentionally arranged for a non-functional purpose and that is presented in such a way that it refers to other art works.

Discuss.

Hey, Battlefield Earth was a cracking good read when I was 15.

Yeah, I've read it. Out and proud, man, out and proud. Don't lay your societal hangups on me.

Which neatly brings me to...

I always feel isolated in those kind of?

It's all because of the tyranny of fascist structures this totalitarian society has imposed on me! I.e. the keyboard!!!

The injustice of it all!!!!!

It's all a conspiracy of computer designers to keep us ignorant and enslaved.

Yes it is. Luckily, there are 50,000 years' worth of art works to point to, in a wonderful variety of forms.

I reckon it has to be self-referential to?

No reason. But if you do defining what art is is the necessary first step towards defining the criteria for 'good' art.

?

http://publicaddress.net/system/topic/2382/?p=158527#post158527

The discussion got rather overheated.

yawn

Kicked off, oddly enough, by our resident sports columnist.

Ah, those were the days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIb34oA7Q-Q&feature=player_embedded

Well, yeah. Really only matters to those making the shit. And a few others. Very few others.

Nothing wrong with that. Wouldn't have it any other way.

Must. Resist. Urge. To. Quote. Picabia.

I'm often interested to hear, more because it tells me about the person than about the art. But yes, people saying things you like are crap wears thin fast. It seems more likely, the?

I once gave a talk at the Film Archive?

Or anything done to achieve an emotional response in the observer/reader/listener.

Yeah I edited to add real description. ;-)

Sorry sculptors, you're doing it wrong. And as for all these unframed canvases, you're just stealing the livelihood from our sacred profession.**

* This statement is not made out of self-interest. Much.
** References pending.

More likely, yes. But ideally it doesn't have to be that way. Why sneer at Macca's because you like fine gourmet dining? Or Lady Gaga because you're into The Pixies? Surely that which you don't like is simply?

Classic example of former: A Duchampian readymade.

An example of latter: A child's tantrum.

If I could frame an entire exhibition I would but I can't so I don't.

Maybe I should take out an advertisement: 'Buy my paintings for the picture framers' sake!'

"Now that's going straight to the pool room"

@DCBC
Classic example of former: A Duchampian readymade.

An example of latter: A child?s tantrum.
They are both Art, just different ends of the spectrum.
My definition proves?

Go for it. I will respond that presenting a child's tantrum as art in the proper context is certainly art, but not because of your definition. It is because of the context.

It was in jest, but you knew that I'm guessing? I love unframed canvases. But I couldn't eat a whole one.

In true 'karma's a biatch' fashion, Twitter is suddenly recommending I follow @NZSculptor. You could not make this up.

I guess?

Art is the product or process of deliberately arranging items (often with symbolic significance) in a way that influences and affects one or more of the senses, emotions, and intellect. It encompasses a diverse range of human activities, creations, and modes of expression, including?

Hey presto.

When I started painting, I hadn't gone to art school nor did I show in galleries. I am firmly of the opinion that my paintings were art from the moment I started making them.

To say that they were magically transformed into art when I put?

Painting is a privileged context here.

I think I just laughed so much I wet my pants.

a brush with life
a hoedown still
rich soil paintings
laid on?

Hoof arted?

That sounds like a Solo Passion.

But just try coming up with something of your own, making it, then putting it?

And, in my case at least, you'd be wrong.

The older I get, the less I care (in all senses) for other peoples implicit or explicit judgement on my tastes.

Point me to something creative that someone doesn?t claim is art. The standard definitions are pretty goddamn inclusive.

People have been talking as if the old distinctions between art forms ? 'high' art 'low' art etc ? are still current. As if it were 50 years?

If I like something, I don't want (care) to have to waste my life justifying that liking to someone, and I don't care if they actively dislike it. If they disagree, then they can go and commit a crime of performance art on themselves. Or not.?

I don't enjoy that, certainly, but mostly the conversation bores me. It's like people talking?

programming, policy, raising children..

You chose to participate in this discussion. If you want to take the ?I don?t know much about art (mutter mutter imply something about effete snobs) but I know what I like? line, fine. No skin off my nose. But?

This thread was originally about the Libz. It's morphed into an art thread. My contributions so far amount to admitting I liked 'Battlefield Earth' when I was 15,?

Now there is an argument worth having!

I came across an argument recently that painting is derived from carving. This was in a discussion about early Renaissance painted and carved images, but the connection to Maori carving, tatooing, and?

?Slatered for destruction?
(2011 ? Wail, oil, beef hook ? mixed up media)
Priceless + GST

Gripe water colours?
?this little tube of a special colour
and then griped about the price
Burnt umbrage?

Petering out?
?but then he also painted nude on stage.
Potters are way more fun.
Bare tricks?

nice

We've got to get through the next few?

Yes, I'm bitter. And as pointed out privately not too long ago paranoid and suspicious.

I wonder why that could be. Must be cos I'm such a wanker eh?

And I do realise how lucky I am to get to make my work and show it,?

Don't sweat it. Look after yourself.

We all have our moments. And I don't personally recall that discussion, sorry.

+1

LOL. I'm used to it, my sister is in the same situation as you. An undervalued performance?

I know these two better than the others. Peter McLeavey was at the Auckland Art Fair watching it all go by. He's looking a lot older and more frail than when I used to regularly climb the stairs to his little gallery in Cuba Street, back?

same, possibly less successfully. Even "pass" was a play on "parse"..

We try, and then bloody Ian comes along and we end up looking pars eh?

Thank you Ben, I thought you actually came up with some good points.
Tonight we will be discussing UI feedback loops and their similarity to conversation with regard to AI with particular reference to predictive machine behaviour.
Or not. ;-)

Careful, nek minnit you'll become self aware.

don't stop now.
Thanks Joe, that means more than you might know.

Heh, yep,?