So we head into the play-offs with a fairly good chance of a New Zealand team making the final

I'd say the chances are even better than that...

BTW, congratulations on cheering for the Crusaders for all of Saturday?s match. I tried for almost the entire first minute but then gave up.

I?m worried I might have to last a bit longer than that this week...

It has three different Queensland Rugby logos on it, including the retro 80s neon version (in the centre of the chest) and the angry koala ? it'll cuddlesnuggle you to death.

Is that supposed to be a 'Q' on the front?

Looks like part of the graphics from Tron.

Sorry Haydn, but if you want a half-decent pub with tellys, JJ Murphys has sport on, in fact nearly all the "pubs"?

I?m worried I might have to last a bit longer than that this week...

Dude, you should always try to last longer than the first minute. Especially when the Crusaders are involved.

(Sorry, Emma's influence is clearly rubbing off on me.)

if you want a half-decent pub with tellys, JJ Murphys has sport on

Quick: anyone know of any pubs in Wellie that'll be showing coverage of the Tour de France? Only another month and a half to go!

Not sure about pubs, but I think most pharmacies will be covering it.

I've got the Bulls v the Chiefs in the finals with a triumphant but bloodied Chiefs' squad arising victorious after a hard fought battle in South Africa. You may see things differently.

I'd love to agree, but with Leonard and Ben May gone for the season and Kahui a touchy?

"liking sports is not a character flaw" argument

Once, someone told me they were 'slightly disappointed' that I liked sport (I assume because they thought I rocked in other ways). To which I thought 'bite me'. But didn't say it, because I was being tactful.

(My husband is in the?

Wellington has a bit of a social divide around rugby (a bit like Brits and soccer). Most people with a brain have been put off the game by the munters some years ago and actively avoid it.

I understand what you're saying. It's years since I've watched rugby at a?

I don't think you have to equate liking sport with a partisan support for whatever the national ball game of?

JackE,

Not sure about pubs, but I think most pharmacies will be covering it.

Genius!

Wellington has a bit of a social divide around rugby (a bit like Brits and soccer). Most people with a brain have been put off the game by the munters some years ago and actively avoid it.

For quite a while I thought the same...and then I discovered the Bristol?

Once, someone told me they were 'slightly disappointed' that I liked sport (I assume because they thought I rocked in other ways). To which I thought 'bite me'. But didn't say it, because I was being tactful.

I often get people saying "Really? You like sport?" Because presumably if you?

I guess the good think about F..Kings is that it provides a place for the assholes and munters to drink where no normal human being would ever go.

The upstairs bar is pretty good and they really do have LOADS of TVs. In fact I was waiting at the bar?

Once, someone told me they were 'slightly disappointed' that I liked sport (I assume because they thought I rocked in other ways). To which I thought 'bite me'. But didn't say it, because I was being tactful.

It's weird, right? Because I enjoy watching sport I'm somehow less, I dunno,?

His friend the poet Philip Whalen was probably the only one of the Beats who was familiar with this side of Kerouac.

and at least one other – the quintessential Beat poster boy and inspiration – Neal Cassady

What was it?

"liking sports is not a character flaw"

Yeah but it's kinda surprising how many of those who like sport have flawed characters. Is there a reason?

Present company excepted of course.

You beatniks sicken me with your prejudice.

Alice Cooper used to covertly play golf in the '70s due to the prejudice against golf in the world of rock. Thought it might also have had something to do with his golf mate being David Cassidy.

Sadly cheering

Were you feeling sad, or did you miss a comma?

:O)

Sadly cheering

Were you feeling sad, or did you miss a comma?

Both. "yay. go crusaders. woo."

Yeah but it's kinda surprising how many of those who like sport have flawed characters. Is there a reason?

I think you're looking for causation when I'm not sure there is even correlation. I don't think folks who like sports are more likely to be (let's call them) dicks than,?

You know the one sport you can go to the pub and be guaranteed that the people watching won't be munters and you can walk up to a complete stranger and have a decent conversation about what you're watching?

Test cricket.

Sounds like a quick path to alcoholism. 5 days?

It's weird, right? Because I enjoy watching sport I'm somehow less, I dunno, intelligent or suave or some shit like that.

I think it's partly due to the assumption that being interested in mere physical activities is infra dig for those interested in intellectual activities, combined with the idea that?

Both. "yay. go crusaders. woo."

From the other side of this, I don't know who to support, Chiefs or Hurricanes, to make it through to get beaten by the Crusaders in the final. I'm sort of leaning towards the Chiefs because we've beaten the Hurricanes in the final before.

But?

Or something like that.

Both. "yay. go crusaders. woo."

That's more or less how it was too, until 'Hey, here's some more exciting stuff to talk about!'

I'm sort of leaning towards the Chiefs because we've beaten the Hurricanes in the final before.

You subtle bugger

That, and the undeniable presence of munters.

I posit that at any event there are munters.

For every drunk homophobic jerkwad at a rugby match, there is a pretentious cockface at an art gallery.

– the way a sporting contest becomes an excuse to whip up xenophobia; with the related attitude of a lot of commentators that the rest of the rugby world (for instance) ought really to play at about the level of Italy,?

You subtle bugger

Heh, so subtle we did it in the fog so you couldn't even SEE it happen. We just blew the full-time whistle and said 'hard but fair, full credit', picked up the trophy, sang the Reuben Thorne song, and left. You lost, just take our word for?

For every drunk homophobic jerkwad at a rugby match, there is a pretentious cockface at an art gallery.

Without stats I'm gonna have to say your pants are on fire. The sports fan-to-arts supporter ratio in this heathen backwater is more likely to be 50-1*.

*randomly made up number with?

Without stats I'm gonna have to say your pants are on fire. The sports fan-to-arts supporter ratio in this heathen backwater is more likely to be 50-1*.

Percentage-wise I think I'm right though. The munter to non-munter ratio will be about the same at any event. The jerks who talk?

In some ways it will be sad not having the final down there this time around. Fog one year, mad horses escaping during the Awards Ceremony the next... Ah, it?s a laugh a minute.

the related attitude of a lot of commentators that the rest of the rugby world (for instance) ought really to play at about the level of Italy, such that NZ could guarantee a win every time.

Yeah, like Tony Greig when any cricket team tours Australia, or those Aussie commentators?

- the co-option of genuine community spirit to a commercial enterprise. Why do the teams have those twee names now? It's mostly so the promoters have the option to transplant the side off to Los Angeles with?

[remember their shock when NZ made it to the quarter-finals?!]

Semi finals wasn't it?

I think you're looking for causation when I'm not sure there is even correlation.

It was the question mark wasnt it. I was wondering about sport as a metaphor, a microcosm, a niche ecology, if you will of the, of the human condition.
But no, you are right, there's eff?

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'playing the more attractive rugby'

Without Kahui, the Chiefs are going to struggle.

Say, for example, how would?

21 or 15 would seem much more logical numbers. I'd argue for 21 in the modern game, the bench player is as much a part of the team as the guys that start.

Six is a very small number to protect, I'll admit. But 20+ is far too high. I'm sick of the same-old same-old we see in the S14, and I imagine many fans are too. I want to see?

It's pretty ridiculous at the moment?

Me, I reckon that teams should be able to protect 15 players, everything else is up for grabs.

I am against "protecting" players, but I'm all for contracting players.

With the NZRU's overarching contract system it's very hard for franchises to offer players new contracts when they become (the Super?

Alice Cooper used to covertly play golf in the '70s due to the prejudice against golf in the world of rock. Thought it might also have had something to do with his golf mate being David Cassidy.

A golf game in the seventies with a pre-sober Alice and David Cassidy?

Kyle: That'd be 22 then – you're allowed a bench of 7.

Ah yes, my bad.

I believe the current number is 24. This is far too high – drop it to ten, make the draft a big occasion

I suspect you'd run into problems with both players and the?