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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						I forgot to point out that Finding has already had the "crazy PC" tag attached to her in the comments of various newspaper websites.
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				<title>Amy Galvani</title>
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						I found Little Britian real funny too. But the laughs definitely come from unease with the stereotypes. If you didn't live in a culture that looks down on 'Vicky Pollards' or 'Daffyds' you wouldn't find Little Britain funny.
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				<title>Josh Addison</title>
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						I always had trouble seeing the Ting Tong sketches as anything other than blatant racism &mdash; in the live show, there's a bit that features Ting Tong giving Mr. Duddley a "traditional Thai massage" &mdash; a handjob under the sheets &mdash; and then singing him a "traditional Thai song", which?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:42:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Amy Gale</title>
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						In the pluses column, it has given us some useful catchphrases. I'm particularly fond of <em>"Compu'er says naoooooo"</em>, and also <em>"I am a lady. I do ladies' things"</em>.
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						<blockquote><p>using the exact same joke every episode</p></blockquote><p>Not to get back to joke dissection (though it is much more fun), in an interview with Harry Enfield he said the best part of that kind of catch-phrase humour was the anticipation. The audience knows it's coming and claps when they hear?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I always had trouble seeing the Ting Tong sketches as anything other than blatant racism</p></blockquote><p>I just think they're not funny.  I don't actually think Daffyd is terribly funny, but I also think Finding has missed the flaming, mincing, squealing joke.  And I really wouldn't expect most straight people to?</p>
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				<title>Paul Rowe</title>
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						In an agreeing with Craig shock, I thought the joke on Daffyd was not his stereotypical gayness, but his utter self-absorption that makes him miss what is obvious to everyone else, and his stupidity.  I recall when Little Britain first came on to TV, someone lamenting that despite the Alternative?
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				<title>Alan Perrott</title>
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						<p>it's all Dick Emery to me...they're just re-raising the Titanic.</p><p>Far too much English telly humour now revolves around fag jokes and humiliation, it's beyond tedious.</p><p>Simply taking these elements to more extreme levels is not creativity or boundary pushing, it's a pissing competition.</p>
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						<p>I always thought there was a lot of Thompson and Thomson in Daffyd?s character.</p><p>Going OTT in mimicking the stereotype of whoever they were trying to dress like, they brought ridicule on the character.</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>It's comedy of exaggeration &ndash; it works (for me, comedy is personal) because the characters are completely bizarre inventions.</p><p>The Office isn't hatred directed at office workers. League of Gentleman isn't hatred directed at rural people.</p><p>If the creators of Little Britain *did* have a nasty right-wing agenda after the?</p>
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				<title>Josh Addison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>...the best part of that kind of catch-phrase humour was the anticipation. The audience knows it's coming and claps when they hear it.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, that seems to be it, going by the audience reaction. I just don't get it. Is it a regional thing? Do the English appreciate that sort?</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Daffyd isn't the only frigging gay in the villiage, and the only person who has any problems with his sexuality is himself.</p></blockquote><p>Precisely.  On the whole Little Britain doesn't do it for me anymore, but a lot of the jokes were in the ridiculousness of the stereotype itself &ndash; perhaps?</p>
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				<title>David Ritchie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>the Brits are still laughing at men dressed as women or mincing about like poofs.</p></blockquote><p>Walliams and Lucas suggest renamning the show "Gays and Ladies" on one of the DVD commentaries (S1 I think).</p>
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				<title>David Ritchie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That said, other segments involved the same overall joke, but did something different with it each week,</p></blockquote><p>I reckon Andy and Lou blew it in the 1st? 2nd? episode with the "Lou takes Andy to the pool" sketch. None of their appearances since that sketch hold a candle to it.</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<p>Never seen it &ndash; I'm guessing (by the names Daffyd, Myfanwy etc) that it is set in Wales?</p><p>A quick look at wikipedia shows me this:</p><blockquote><p>At Kelsey Grammar School,</p></blockquote><p>Brilliant. A lot easier to pronounce than the one I went to.</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<p>Not dissimilar to Craig's thoughts on Daffyd. When I think of him it's as a guy who somewhat endearingly feels he has to dress like an inflatable raft to prove he's gay.</p><p>I'm sure sundry people who weren't inclined to work that one through had their prejudices confirmed, but I?</p>
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						<p>@ Llew<br />It's set all over Britain. In fact one of my favourite characters is a crazy Scottish innkeeper.</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<p>Cheers Hadyn, so it's not a sitcom.</p><blockquote><p>Speaking of guys dressing as queers and women, does anyone want to compare and contrast with The Millen Baird Show?</p></blockquote><p>No, because I've never heard of it &ndash; but does anyone else (aside from me) suspect that Julian Clary is secretly straight?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>but does anyone else (aside from me) suspect that Julian Clary is secretly straight?</p></blockquote><p>Yup.</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>In fact one of my favourite characters is a crazy Scottish innkeeper.</p></blockquote><p>Oh, I forgot about him! I'm sad that he disappeared. 'Ask me on a Monday, I'll say yeeeeeeeessss!'</p><p>The one I can't quite handle is the puking racist snob lady. I think I have too much sense-empathy or?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>The one I can't quite handle is the puking racist snob lady.</p></blockquote><p>According to Findings the racist snob lady is one of the "good ones" because the joke is on racism not on race. (The vomit is still on the little girl though.)</p><p>In fact I suppose the biggest finding?</p>
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						By the way, considering the other threads that are going, feel free to bitch anything on TV (or anywhere else) that just isn't funny.
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						<blockquote><p>No, because I've never heard of it.</p></blockquote><p>Well, I never watched a whole episode. 'The Millen Baird Show': local comedy that had a short run on TV3 the other month along with pan-asian sketch show 'A Thousand Apologies', which I did watch a couple of all the way through.</p><p>Chap called?</p>
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				<title>Dave Patrick</title>
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						<blockquote><p>feel free to bitch anything on TV (or anywhere else) that just isn't funny</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>sketch show 'A Thousand Apologies'</p></blockquote><p>This</p>
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				<title>Josh Addison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>By the way, considering the other threads that are going, feel free to bitch anything on TV (or anywhere else) that just isn't funny.</p></blockquote><p>I never liked <em>Seinfeld</em>. Does that mean I have no soul?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>By the way, considering the other threads that are going, feel free to bitch anything on TV (or anywhere else) that just isn't funny.</p></blockquote><p>OK then; that Te Radar country programme on at the moment.</p><p>And before you jump to conclusions HG, it?s not because he?s a ginga.</p><p>I just?</p>
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				<title>Dave Patrick</title>
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						The appeal of <em>Seinfeld</em> has managed to completely bypass me too. It's just not that great, folks.
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						Well, I never liked Seinfeld, the character. He was just an unfunny cipher with terrible dress sense. That show was really all about the wonderment that was George. (And some Elaine. With tiny doses of Kramer.)
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				<title>Paul Rowe</title>
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						<blockquote><p>By the way, considering the other threads that are going, feel free to bitch anything on TV (or anywhere else) that just isn't funny.</p></blockquote><p>The News.  both channels.  Lazy attempts to satirise actual news bulletins that just don't come off cos they're trying to hard to be ironic.  or something.?</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That show was really all about the wonderment that was George.</p></blockquote><p>Specifically George's parents. Frank Costanza = greatest character on a sitcom ever...</p>
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						Oh, and anything involving Jamie Oliver.
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I never liked Seinfeld. Does that mean I have no soul?</p></blockquote><p>I don't want to get all meta-physical but ... yes. Sorry.</p><blockquote><p>'The Millen Baird Show': local comedy that had a short run on TV3 the other month along with pan-asian sketch show 'A Thousand Apologies'</p></blockquote><p>A friend saw them?</p>
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				<title>Paul Rowe</title>
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						Haydn, are you forgetting a certain <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melody_Rules" target="_blank">__Melody Rules__</a>?
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				<title>Richard Wain</title>
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						I'll tell ya what's funny... a researcher named Finding.
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<blockquote><p>but the jokes were funny even if you didn't know what "Jewish" was</p></blockquote><p>I imagine someone watching, laughing, and remarking, "Heh, I don't know what a "Jew" is, but they sure are funny!"</p><p>Re Ting Ting on Little Britain. That was my 'jump the shark' moment. The first time I?</p>
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				<title>LegBreak</title>
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						Pretty sure he butt of the Ting Ting joke is not Ting Ting, but the prick that got her to Britain in the first place.
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'll tell ya what's funny... a researcher named Finding</p></blockquote><p>I laughed at that too.<br />"Finding's findings were that..."</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:26:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I never liked Seinfeld. Does that mean I have no soul?</p></blockquote><p>Nope &mdash; then again, I seem to be the only person on Earth who finds <em>Fawlty Towers</em> and <em>The Office</em> (original recipie) almost unwatchably sad.  Not that they're bad shows, but really find Basil Fawlty's manic outbursts bring back?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:44:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And David Brent? Painful &ndash; and it just doesn't stop.</p></blockquote><p>I remember watching the second season of The Office and thinking how I couldn't watch this guy continue to get himself into those situations. Which is why I really liked the Christmas special.</p><p>re: Tennant.<br />I heard about it yesterday,?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:42:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote>This paper offers a [doctrinal] critique of the UK comedy sketch show Little Britain. [...] The paper concludes that, although there are parts of Little Britain in which stereotypes are challenged, and the abusive power dynamic is inverted through humour, for the most part, Little Britain **colludes with prejudice by?</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:57:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						The problem as fas as I can tell is not the Anguses of this world who are smart enough to see the stereotyping as excessive parody of stereotyping itself. Rather it's the surprisingly large number of people who will reflexively lol at the stereotypes just because of what they are,?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:26:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<p>Seeing as I brought it up I'll just say I though A Thousand Apologies wasn't that bad. Partly because one or two really funny bits in an episode bought a lot of forgiveness from me.</p><p>That said, I did a certain amount of re-working of their material in my head,?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:59:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote>The problem as fas as I can tell is not the Anguses of this world who are smart enough to see the stereotyping as excessive parody of stereotyping itself. Rather it's the <strong>surprisingly large number of people who will reflexively lol</strong> at the stereotypes just because of what they are,?</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:06:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<p>Hmm. Looking back, Gareth Ward put my point a lot more clearly:</p><blockquote><p>perhaps the fair criticism would be to state that not everyone quite gets that so certain people (already inclined that way I'd imagine) see the joke in the stereotype, rather than in the lampooning of the stereotype.</p></blockquote><p>I?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:16:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<p>For comparison: The Merchant of Venice.</p><p>Now, Shakespeare is typically so full of life that it's possible to forge an understanding of the play to suit your opinions about humanity (mine, anyway). But it's even more difficult to make a (non-rewritten) unracist <em>Merchant</em> than a feminist <em>Taming of the Shrew</em>.?</p>
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						Having now read a large portion of Findings paper I'm afraid to say its presumptuous rubbish.  The paper should as has rightly been argued here been about multiple perspectives on the same joke and the social/entertainment worth of these perspectives.  What we end up with is a weak historical "these?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:06:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Richard Wain</title>
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						Jeez I'm impressed by how much thought some of youse has put into this... I was just talking to myself before (as you do) and we all reckoned that everybody's racist really, it's merely a matter of over-riding those dull reptilian urges and realising everybody's people too, being a better?
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