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		<title>Public Address | Cafe | Hard News: 2011: The Year Of What?</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:48:57 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lara</title>
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						<p>181 people (not 163) died in Chch. </p><p>I have to say that I will be glad when this year is over. For me its highs do not match its lows. Although it has still got a few more months to run, and who knows what they may hold? Good things,?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:48:57 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>181 people (not 163) died in Chch.</q></p><p>Thanks. Amended.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:50:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Dan Satherly has also pointed out to me that 2011 has also been <strong>The Year of Planking</strong>.</p><p>Of course. That'll be the one.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:51:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						and <strong>snow</strong> &ndash; great shots for those end o year round-up stories
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:57:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Robert Urquhart</title>
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						By the end of February I was already thing of this as "The year of Storms". Political, geological, familial. The snow only added "literal" to that list.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:00:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						We're not even 3/4 of the way through yet!
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:00:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>LegBreak</title>
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						The snow will have to compete with Happy Feet in closing the end of year round-up piece
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:01:27 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>It's only August. There's four more months to go.</p><p>Anyway, lots more happened in 1945. Or 1963.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:02:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>It's over?</p><p>Who won?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:04:51 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>The United States of America got close to soveriegn default.</q></p><p>Did it? It could still spend money, and was taking in far more money than needed to service its debts. Why would it have defaulted even if the debt ceiling wasn't raised?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:05:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>We're not even 3/4 of the way through yet!</q></p><p>the year of <strong>impatience</strong></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:10:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Beard</title>
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						<p><q>today, Gadaffi is gone</q></p><p>Is he? The best summary I've seen so far (from @ChasLicc) is "BREAKING: Gaddafi captured for ninth time today, after being killed six times."</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:20:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>recordari</title>
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						<p><q>The charges against Arie Smith and Michael Davis have been dropped by Christchurch police.</q><br />That is great news.  I hope there is some sort of soul searching and inquiry that makes this a learning experience for those in blue.  And that Michael and Arie are able to resume their lives,?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:21:53 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<p>Don't forget about the disruptive volcanoes around the world, with the latest one currently erupting in Russia, and some worrying shallow earthquakes around Taupo.<br />Or the environmental fights, such as our own sea battle off the east coast, and growing mass protests around the world to new exploitation such as?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:24:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Don?t forget about the disruptive volcanoes around the world, with the latest one currently erupting in Russia, and some worrying shallow earthquakes around Taupo.</q></p><p>The idea of Taupo erupting makes a global financial meltdown seem like a pleasant distraction.</p><p><q>2011 has a long way to play out yet.</q></p><p>That's sort?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:29:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Actually, it's not just the snow, but a year of unprecedented weather extremes.</p><p>Including a massive La Nina event that swamped Queensland and brought Auckland its warmest February and May on record. And that's just in this neck of the woods.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:31:27 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p>The year of not being able to go back. </p><p>It's mostly the Christchurch earthquake, and also my age, but I've never had a year before where it was quite so obvious that the future was not going to be quite like anyone had predicted. And, more bluntly, that the future?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:31:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Wammo</title>
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						I'll pop the cherry... 2012 anyone? dum dum duuummmmmmm
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:34:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						been hanging out with Jason Kerrigan again, haven't you?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:37:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						surely it's just a a case of  2012, off by one, there was no year 0 , sort of thing?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:38:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>pcorrect</title>
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						Of course, it will all be academic when everying ends in 2012.  That's why they're showing the movie first; be pointless trying to run "2012: The Movie" after total armageddon, eh?  No power for the projectors.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:40:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>reaping what has been <strong>sewn</strong></q></p><p>2011: the year we all had to get our coats.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:43:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<p><q>Don't forget about the disruptive volcanoes around the world, with the latest one currently erupting in Russia, and some worrying shallow earthquakes around Taupo.</q></p><p>Is this amateur speculation or is there something actually worth being worried about here? I.e., citation required.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:46:02 +1200</pubDate>
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						I'll be the first Zombie banging on the compound gate
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:47:46 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Is this amateur speculation or is there something actually worth being worried about here? I.e., citation required.</q></p><p>A GNZ vulcanologist <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/3062442/When-will-the-next-big-eruption-happen" target="_blank">said in 2009</a> that small earthquakes around Taupo the previous year were an indication the volcano is ?slumbering, not dormant?.</p><p>Earthquakes would be a part of the build-up to an?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:54:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Beard</title>
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						<p><q>?slumbering, not dormant?</q></p><p>Which is an etymologically confusing distinction.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:58:27 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p>Googling earthquakes+taupo+today brings up some interesting results.</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10736488" target="_blank">However</a>:</p><p><q>GNS volcanologist Brad Scott said today's earthquake was fairly typical movement:</p><p>"We would typically have maybe two or three events around maybe 5.5 and 6 (magnitude) at about 150-200km depth a year under the North Island. It's slightly larger than average but?</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:58:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Which is an etymologically confusing distinction.</q></p><p>Quite. But you sorta got what she meant ...</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:59:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>You?re no fun, Brad, raining on our incipient hysteria with your facts and statistics.</q></p><p>But reassuring all the same. Depending on which way the wind blows, a Taupo eruption is pretty much game over for New Zealand.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:00:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Andy Pickering</title>
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						<p>>this highly lucid and utterly bleak assessment of the global economy </p><p>Boom. Well, that's today's mood well and truly darkened, thanks!</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Well I would worry about any earthquake at 2 kms deep, which is what the latest 2.0 sized one at Taupo was (in the last 24 hours). And we haven't even considered the Auckland cones.
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Fashion should hold up as folk try to make sense of/express their angst at the economy's demise. Not sure about kittehs though.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:14:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q> And we haven?t even considered the Auckland cones.</q></p><p>Or more precisely, the prospect of a <em>new</em> Auckland cone &mdash; the existing ones won't re-erupt. Which would be <a href="http://www.arc.govt.nz/council/civil-defence-emergency-management/natural-hazards/volcanic-hazards.cfm" target="_blank">disastrous</a> but not actually the end of Auckland.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:22:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						But I think that what will make 2011 memorable will be some human events, and the Arab Spring, the Chilean student protests, the Wisconsin workers' anger, the Greek riots, and the English uprising (wait for the Tory Party conference protests in Sept) are only the start. But it could come?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:23:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Volcanic eruptions are sometimes preceded by frequent shallow small earthquakes, presumably as magma moves beneath ...</p><p>And sometimes there are no preceding earthquakes ...</p><p>And sometimes there are earthquakes typical of an eruption without any actual eruption ...</p><p>We are somewhat on a learning curve here :).</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:27:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>the existing ones <strong>probably</strong> won?t re-erupt</q></p><p>you forgot the weasel word</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>You?re no fun, Brad, raining on our incipient hysteria with your facts and statistics.</q></p><p><q>But reassuring all the same. Depending on which way the wind blows, a Taupo eruption is pretty much game over for New Zealand.</q></p><p>Just got to <a href="http://www.rotoruadailypost.co.nz/news/quake-coming-experts-warn-doom-for-rotorua-taupo-a/965958/" target="_blank">this 2006 article</a> in the google stats:</p><p><q>Rotorua, Taupo and?</q></p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>Volcanic eruptions are sometimes preceded by frequent shallow small earthquakes, presumably as magma moves beneath ?</p><p>And sometimes there are no preceding earthquakes ?</p><p>And sometimes there are earthquakes typical of an eruption without any actual eruption ?</p><p>We are somewhat on a learning curve here</q></p><p>The other day I?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>There were, naturally, a number of other egregious flaws ? particularly the bits about Maori ? but that one was, um, special.</q></p><p>Indeed. Especially given that there were major earthquakes in<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1848_Marlborough_earthquake" target="_blank">1848</a> (Marlborough, destroyed nearly every brick or stone building in Wellington), <a href="http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/historic-earthquakes/3" target="_blank">1855</a> (Wairarapa, 8.2 mag, tsunami in Wellington Harbour)?</p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p>From Macca.....</p><blockquote><p>On the positive side, adversity can breed great leaders.</p></blockquote><p>So thats the get out clause?<br />Oh shit!</p>
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						<p><q>  I hope there is some sort of soul searching</q></p><p>They have souls? Thought it was absence of, that caused this in the first place.</p>
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				<title>David Cormack</title>
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						Well I had a great weekend, and was feeling very positive. Then I read this thread. Goodness me, talk about the Public Address-men of the Apocalypse.
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>brought Auckland its warmest February and May on record</q></p><p>To be followed, three months later, by only the second confirmed instance of snow in suburban Auckland in the last 75 years and the lowest daily high on record.</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>Well I had a great weekend, and was feeling very positive.</q></p><p>Can't be having that sort of behaviour now, can we?</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>They have souls? Thought it was absence of, that caused this in the first place.</q></p><p>Of course they have souls, but they are taught to ignore them in the first year of their BCom.</p><p>Actually that isn't being facetious, they've done studies comparing BCom. students with other degrees and shown?</p>
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						<p><q>Bloody dystopians, ruining it for everyone.</q></p><p>I'm more of a dyspeptian, generally.</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>they?ve done studies comparing BCom. students with other degrees and shown that one year of a commerce degree is enough to make people significantly more greedy and selfish.</q><br />Sorry to put you on the spot- but do you have a reference for this? (I read something similar- can't locate it.)</p>
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						Probably <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10746219" target="_blank">"Psychopaths and big money &ndash; it all adds up"</a> from NZH.
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						The year my daughter was born...im sure in years to come people will remember 2011 for that shes got skills is all im saying :)
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q> they?ve done studies comparing BCom. students with other degrees and shown that one year of a commerce degree is enough to make people significantly more greedy and selfish. Apparently they learn that everyone else is selfish too so they should be selfish first</q></p><p>Given that first-year economics (BCom graduate here)?</p>
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						<p><q>Probably ?Psychopaths and big money ? it all adds up? from NZH.</q></p><p>Oh, and that's Vic, where first-year economics is even more heavily tilted towards microeconomics and the theories of perfect markets and perfectly-informed consumers. Auckland's first-year economics papers are split in two and the second one introduces macroeconomics in?</p>
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						<p><q> they?ve done studies comparing BCom. students with other degrees and shown that one year of a commerce degree is enough to make people significantly more greedy and selfish.</q></p><p>Ah, I knew there was a reason I bolted at the beginning of the year I was supposed to sign up. My?</p>
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						<p><q>Sorry to put you on the spot- but do you have a reference for this? (I read something similar- can?t locate it.)</q></p><p>It was a summary I read of the research in an issue of The Atlantic, several years ago maybe 02 or 03, could even be older? Sadly I?</p>
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						<p>Also bear in mind they were studies done by people with psych degrees so it could easily have been superseded by now with new theories completely "disproving" the old theories.</p><p>And yeah Matthew I agree it probably is very much a case of a little knowledge is much worse than?</p>
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						<p><q>they?ve done studies</q><br />I imagine they have</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>Probably "Psychopaths and big money &ndash; it all adds up" from NZH.</q></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hare_(psychologist)" target="_blank">Dr Robert Hare</a> puts the incidence in the general population at 1%.</p><p>Apparently, this can rise to 4-5% in upper management, although I don't have a handy reference for that.</p><p>Still, <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article826475.ece" target="_blank">this</a> is an interesting article.</p>
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						<p><q>   <em> They have souls? Thought it was absence of, that caused this in the first place.</em></p><p>Of course they have souls, but they are taught to ignore them in the first year of their BCom.</q><br />Since when did the police start making  BComs part of their training?  If you check,?</p>
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				<title>Cecelia</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10746602" target="_blank">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10746602</a></p><p>This is my personal minor earthquake &ndash; that a columnist I admire could sympathise with a book written by Ian Wishart and which is pretty obviously biased. Maybe it's a Christian thing.</p>
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						<q>When the recession began there were many wise words about having learnt the lessons of both the Great Depression and Japans long malaise. Now we know that we didn?t learn a thing. Our stimulus was too weak, too short and not well designed. The banks weren?t forced to return to?</q>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						<p><q>This is my personal minor earthquake &ndash; that a columnist I admire could sympathise with a book written by Ian Wishart and which is pretty obviously biased. Maybe it's a Christian thing.</q></p><p>Yes, I was rather astounded by this too. She wrote that she did not 'know' Wishart; surely she?</p>
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						<p><q>Since when did the police start making BComs part of their training? If you check, I think that?s what I was talking about.</p><p></q></p><p>Arrgghh I thought Sofie was referring to the economists part of the thread &ndash; head, meet desk.</p>
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						<p><q>interrupted</q></p><p>?!?! Given my randomness, even when I'm not completely missing the point (as highlighted by recordari), how could I possibly think you rude?</p>
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						<p><q>Maybe it?s a Christian thing</q></p><p>For me what makes Tapu Misa so admirable as a columnist is that she is a very thoughtful person. I don't find it at all odd that she decided to *shock* read the book first before coming to a conclusion. I think she's a free?</p>
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						<p><q>This is my personal minor earthquake ? that a columnist I admire could sympathise with a book written by Ian Wishart and which is pretty obviously biased. Maybe it?s a Christian thing.</q></p><p>Maybe the ?thing? is that the right to silence, due process and a fair trial in court of?</p>
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						<p><q>(as highlighted by recordari)</q></p><p>Sorry, given my own continuity incontinence, I'm hardly one to talk.</p><p>Give the desk a rest.</p>
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						<p><q>Yes, I was rather astounded by this too. She wrote that she did not ?know? Wishart; surely she must know about him and his inflammatory ideas?</q></p><p>I lost quite a lot of faith in Tapu Misa when she <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10636340" target="_blank">enthused about</a> Dinesh D?Souza?s writing.</p><p>D?Souza is  the unpleasant nutbar who wrote __The?</p>
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						<p><q>As for Wishart, well, even a blind chicken can peck corn. A stopped clock is right twice a day. My presumption is that he's probably wrong on any given thing, but it's not a given.</q></p><p>I wonder if part of his thing is a natural contrarianism.  Not useful when you're?</p>
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						<p><q>Well I had a great weekend, and was feeling very positive. Then I read this thread. Goodness me, talk about the Public Address-men of the Apocalypse.</q></p><p>Each to their own. I find all of this, apart from Christchurch <em>exciting</em>. My own personal 2011 fallout, being unemployed for the first time?</p>
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						<q>To me it feels like the politics of most of my adult life have been both wrong and horribly dull, and we stand on the cusp of a big rethink. When we realize we've been wrong for many years (something I've believed for many years), the future of possibilities opens?</q>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:45:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Cecelia</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.listener.co.nz/culture/books/the-kahui-book-is-not-the-real-story/" target="_blank">http://www.listener.co.nz/culture/books/the-kahui-book-is-not-the-real-story/</a></p><p>I thought Celia Lashlie's take on Wishart's book was more measured. </p><p>I was shocked by the d'Souza column too. That's why I thought it might be a Christian thing, an affinity between fundamental or born again Christians, Misa and Wishart. </p><p>I've always felt sorry for the Kahui parents. It?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:57:20 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Bernard Hickey sure seems to be having more fun.</q></p><p>Must be nice as an economist to be able to break the neoliberal consensus and actually think about problems for oneself. Good on him.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:01:02 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Or the environmental fights, such as our own sea battle off the east coast, and growing mass protests around the world to new exploitation such as fracking and today?s high profile protest arrests in Washington.</q></p><p>And no-one's mentioned yet the other environemtal monstrosity that is worrying us sick down here,?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:43:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>I've always felt sorry for the Kahui parents</q></p><p>My sympathy was greatly reduced by the whanau's stonewalling of the investigation.</p>
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						<p>I think I'd go with, 2011: the Year of Now What?</p><p>Certainly sums up our experience down here.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:08:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Patrick Reynolds</title>
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						Well this is rash;  predictions are of course difficult, especially about the future. [Boom, boom!] But here goes: ABs not to win the cup, and no clear result at the election. How do you like them apples?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:10:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>But here goes: ABs not to win the cup, and no clear result at the election. How do you like them apples?</q></p><p>You rogue.</p>
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				<title>Patrick Reynolds</title>
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						Ben I'm pretty sure you're right; most don't see how much of a big discontinuity we are going through now; this is the end of growth. It will never return on a global scale again; we need a new idea. And sadly we won't accept that until we have exhausted?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:17:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Patrick Reynolds</title>
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						Well the second one is both good and interesting, n'est pa?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:19:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I thought Celia Lashlie?s take on Wishart?s book was more measured.</q></p><p>I think it's superb. She finds out Wishart and still offers what we might learn from the book. I hope it's no insult to say it has the feel of very good Listener subbing.</p>
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						<p><q>no clear result at the election</q></p><p>Judging by the seeming inability of <a href="http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2011/08/22/the-importance-of-being-labour-2/" target="_blank">some Labour MPs</a> to keep their feet out of their mouths I'd say you're <em>dreeaming</em> <br />(said in my best 'The Castle' voice).</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:24:10 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>How do you like them apples?</q></p><p>The crisp sweet crunch of a real election, but a nasty all black maggot in the middle?</p>
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				<title>Richard Grevers</title>
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						There was another bit of earthquake news a couple of weeks ago: a story combined the news that there had been a <a href="http://www.gns.cri.nz/claritas/Home/News-and-Events/Media-Releases/Silent-Earthquakes" target="_blank">silent earthquake</a> in the Manawatu region with news of the theory that the ends of mega-quake rupture zones have been defined by silent quakes. Which could mean there's?
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						<p><q>it has the feel of very good Listener subbing.</q></p><p>and then there is this headline</p><p><strong>Charges dropped against autistic looter</strong> </p><p>on stuff.co.nz this evening. From The Press apparently. </p><p>which has all the hall marks of very bad subbing,because by the use of the word  "looter" it manages to completely miss?</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<p>Resilience, that's what the year is probably about.</p><p>And with my sanctimonious hat on my personal challenge this year is to try &ndash; not to like as that is asking a bit much &ndash; to see the humanity in those whose ideas or actions I otherwise despise (spiritual people suggest?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>which has all the hall marks of very bad subbing,because by the use of the word ?looter? it manages to completely miss the point legally, morally and factually.</q></p><p>Fairfax has embraced the subbing sausage factory model along with APN now. Style, accuracy and institutional knowledge are a bit old-fashioned.</p>
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						<p><q>and then there is this headline<br />Charges dropped against autistic looter</q></p><p>Addressed on the <a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/topic/3126/?p=225726#post225726" target="_blank">Arie thread</a>.</p>
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						Try the Arie thread for some spirited discussion, including some local activism against the terminology.
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						<p>Looking at the cover of that book Breaking Silence; Macina King looks whimsically content.  Recreating the Mona Lisa portrait pose would have looked appropriate.</p><p>If one were going to trouble oneself to read a book this would not be what one would select.  I have no sympathy for Macina King?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Judging by the seeming inability of some Labour MPs to keep their feet out of their mouths I?d say you?re dreeaming </q></p><p>Jeebus Crust, and I always thought Curran was relatively sane.  I guess we're seeing the first hints of a Green class traitors/"stab in the back" meme if the election?</p>
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						<p>Sad thing is that Curran's angry outburst against her party's main potential MMP ally  comes on the same day as Key <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10746656" target="_blank">gets publicity</a> about National's support partners. </p><p>You'd expect a coordinated and disciplined political communications strategy would firmly park individual egos at the door. The left and its constituents deserve so?</p>
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						<p><q>Must be nice as an economist to be able to break the neoliberal consensus and actually think about problems for oneself. Good on him.</q></p><p>It takes one &ndash; Bernard Hickey &ndash; to know one.</p>
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						Fecklessness? Using P  in a couple of hours off from caring for your premature baby twins is not ignorance, carelessness, or stupidity. It is addiction ; which is the "untold" but often mentioned story of both the parents.
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						<p>For me, cumulatively 2011 feels to have been a year where the internet and communication technology has come of age as a key player (for better or worse)  in facilitating unprecedented levels of mass social and political activism and change:</p><p><a href="http://mobile.shanghaiist.com/2011/07/15/condom-using_rapist_dismissed_by_po.php" target="_blank">Zhou Qin</a></p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/5484757/All-charges-dropped-against-autistic-man" target="_blank">Arie Smith-Voorkamp</a></p><p><a href="http://english.caing.com/2011-08-04/100287649_3.html" target="_blank">the exhumed train</a></p><p>[[http://world.globaltimes.cn/europe/2011-06/664456.html|the global slut?</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<q>I had a very interesting discussion with my Grandmother recently, who lived through the Great Depression. She told me something interesting &ndash; it was the most exciting time of her life, that everyone partied like there was no tomorrow. The parties were cheap as could be, but that didn't make?</q>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>My sympathy was greatly reduced by the whanau?s stonewalling of the investigation.</q></p><p>+1</p><p>When they blocked police access they declared they cared not at all for the truth, no matter how ugly that truth might be.</p>
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						<p><q>effete 2-shandy screamer.</q></p><p>And <strong>no</strong>, effete 2-shandy screamers are <strong>not</strong> gay. Merely straight blokes releasing their feminine side.</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>effete 2-shandy screamers are not gay</q></p><p>1. weak, ineffectual, or decadent as a result of overrefinement<br />2. exhausted of vitality or strength; worn out; spent.</p><blockquote><p>Merely straight blokes releasing their feminine side.</p></blockquote><p>I like shandy. Make mine a radl....oh, wait, I can't say that any more.</p>
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						<q>To me it feels like the politics of most of my adult life have been both wrong and horribly dull, and we stand on the cusp of a big rethink. When we realize we've been wrong for many years (something I've believed for many years), the future of possibilities opens?</q>
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						<p><q>Party at your place, then? Bring a bottle?</q></p><p>That's the spirit. There will be a few of these soon, as the RWC comes on.</p>
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						<p><q>    effete 2-shandy screamers are not gay</p><p>1. weak, ineffectual, or decadent as a result of overrefinement<br />2. exhausted of vitality or strength; worn out; spent.</p><p>    Merely straight blokes releasing their feminine side.</q></p><p>Good, got that cleared up. Both definitions apply to anyone regardless of sexuality, but more often to straight?</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>What we really need is one of them Jamaican sound system trucks.</q></p><p>Indeed. Or a dozen of them. Mind you, I can hardly think of any part of Auckland you could do that, which wouldn't end up with the police arriving to bust up any unlicensed fun that was being?</p>
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				<title>Mike Graham</title>
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						<p><q> Make mine a radl?.oh, wait, I can?t say that any more.</q></p><p>With some vint... cheese?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q> <em>Can this year be the year of parties? We?ve still got 4 months to make it so.</em></p><p>What we really need is one of them Jamaican sound system trucks.</q></p><p>To be fair, we do have quite a bit of free party action coming up on Queen?s Wharf. The Turnaround late?</p>
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						<p><q>    Make mine a radl?.oh, wait, I can?t say that any more.</p><p>With some vint? cheese?</q></p><p>Don't you mean some herit... oh, you know, old stuff, cheese?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>When they blocked police access they declared they cared not at all for the truth, no matter how ugly that truth might be.</q></p><p>One small point of order: We might all want to be careful to keep a clear distinction between people exercising their right to silence and potentially defamatory?</p>
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				<title>DeepRed</title>
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						<p><q>One small point of order: We might all want to be careful to keep a clear distinction between people exercising their right to silence and potentially defamatory allegations of obstruction.</q></p><p>And for all the nastiness of child abuse, does it really justify coerced confessions, like the kind of stuff seen?</p>
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						<p>I see there?s going to have a French Festival. Ideal location.</p><p>It is scheduled to be before the first possible NZ/FR encounter in the knock-out stages, however.</p>
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						<p><q>ABs not to win the cup, and no clear result at the election. How do you like them apples?</q></p><p>Has this been adequately rebutted?  Anyway, here's mine.  ABs to win comfortably, and that party which most of you loathe gets a clear majority to govern alone, but does deals with?</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>that party which most of you loathe gets a clear majority to govern alone</q></p><p>An ACT majority? I'll take your money.</p>
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						<p><q>An ACT majority? I'll take your money.</q></p><p>So you mean you don't loathe National?  I'm getting this all wrong, as usual.</p><p>You'll note my wish for Act to disappear.  As loose as I can be, I try not to contradict myself in the same post, if possible.</p><p>But hey, picked?</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>Can't DB be slapped with a Commerce Commission big slappy thing for false advertising.<br />Radler is German for Shandy, well close enough.  <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/5284136/DB-wins-its-battle-over-Radler-beer " target="_blank"> It is supposed to be a refreshing low alcohol beverage, about 2.5%</a>. It is not supposed to be a 5% alcopop.<br /> I would suggest that the?</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>The Turnaround late at The Cloud on Sept 16 will be the closest thing to a Norman Jay ?Good Times? joint you?re likely to see all year.</q></p><p>Norman told me a couple of months ago that the two very best gigs he's ever played outside the carnival are both in?</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>Concert in The Park &ndash; Auckland Domain, Bob Marley's Birthday/Waitangi Day circa 2002.</q></p><p>It was 2003, I think? First year we were in NZ. We woz there.</p>
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						<p><a href="http://www.britsuperstore.com/acatalog/Shandy_Bass.html" target="_blank">Shandy Bass</a>. 0.5% alcohol, made with real Bass Beer and officially classed as a soft drink.</p><p>Popular with kids in the UK, when I was one. Not sure if you can get it here &ndash; one sip of that for a 19 year old driver and you could lose your?</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>under National's non-nanny nanny state</q></p><p>I'm thinking of it as a nonny state now...</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>Popular with kids in the UK, when I was one.</q></p><p>One? Even for the UK, that's a young age to be drinking.</p><p>And I think the definition of 'popular' is well beyond stretched, now. Unless by 'popular with kids', you actually mean ''Granny bought this as a treat for you,?</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p><q>Can't DB be slapped with a Commerce Commission big slappy thing for false advertising.</q></p><p>I actually reported them to the Advertising Council but was turned down &ndash; apparently advertising a Radler/Shandy with 5% alcohol content is not a problem</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>It was 2003, I think?</q></p><p>Yep &ndash; you're right. I've about an hour of video footage of the gig somewhere, filmed from the stage. Must find.</p>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q> <em>under National?s non-nanny nanny state</em></p><p>I?m thinking of it as a nonny state now?</q></p><p>Noddy state?</p>
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						When is an alcopop not an alcopop?
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				<title>JLM</title>
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						We know what 2011 is going to be now &ndash; the year of the  (zero damage, zero death) Washington Earthquake...
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>We know what 2011 is going to be now &ndash; the year of the (zero damage, zero death) Washington Earthquake...</q></p><p>If it was meant for Washington, God's aim is, once again, <em>terrible</em>.</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<a href="http://jmckinley.posterous.com/dc-earthquake-devastation" target="_blank">First pictures of the NY quake devastation</a>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						On a micro level, 2011 was the year of the dogs for Ian and  I. Our old girl, Cleo, died in May. Our new girl, Ruby, came to us in June. All too quick for me at the time, and by gum, it's a pain in the arse training a?
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Didn't Nostradamus or Edgar Cayce or one of those seers say something about the east and west coasts of the US falling into the sea?
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>So you mean you don't loathe National? </q></p><p>I've mellowed considerably in my old age. Like a vint...aged cheese.</p><p>Satan will be riding a yellow dog to work through the snow before I vote for them, but no visceral loathing any more. Besides which, the National Party here are a different?</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>Having said that, I find the proposed Great Family Silver Sell-off just incredible. How can an idea that bad have got this far?</q></p><p>Confidence and supply.Anything under urgency gets through pretty quickly, and if National get through again it will be worse with Brash and the other National Acts. Last?</p>
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						<p><q>How can an idea that bad have got this far?</q></p><p>Ask the 'opposition'</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Ask the 'opposition'</q></p><p>Sure, they're lame. But that doesn't force Kiwis to vote National. That's the worst part about all of this, that polls are suggesting these guys are going to improve their majority, despite not one single thing having improved on their watch. I can't understand it, and I?</p>
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						<p><q>Having said that, I find the proposed Great Family Silver Sell-off just incredible. How can an idea that bad have got this far?</q></p><p>For the record, I agree.  When <a href="http://www.3news.co.nz/Kiwis-prefer-capital-gains-tax-over-asset-sales---poll/tabid/419/articleID/223233/Default.aspx" target="_blank">51.5% of your own voters favour an opposition policy over your own</a>, it's pretty clear there's a problem.  </p><p>Given the other?</p>
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						<p><q> When 51.5% of your own voters favour an opposition policy over your own, it's pretty clear there's a problem. </q></p><p>Yeah, I'm not convinced the problem isn't stupid NZers, TBH.</p>
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						Not stupid, just human. People will vote for who they trust to deliver over what will be delivered, unfortunately. When some politicians seem like they not only can't organise a piss-up in a brewery but don't <em>want</em> to, there's really little viable choice for voters. That failure to lead is?
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q> I think it comes down to not enough people shaking better sense into their friends who are proudly saying they will vote National just because Phil Goff is a numbnut.</q></p><p>I don?t know anyone who says that, and you lay a finger on me I?ll break all yours. Individually. Slowly.?</p>
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						<p><q>Yeah, I'm not convinced the problem isn't stupid NZers, TBH.</q><br />What the ones voting for National, or the ones not voting for Labour?</p><p>[Redacted]  I just remembered I don't do this anymore.</p>
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						<p>Idiot/Savant on Labour 'winning' the <a href="http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2011/08/labour-has-won-policy-argument.html" target="_blank">policy argument</a> but not votes.</p><p><q>Why the disconnect? Labour people will no doubt be tempted to fall back on their usual excuses of voter ignorance and media bias &ndash; "the peasants are too stupid to know what's good for them, and its all a conspiracy?</q></p>
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						<p><q>"How can an idea that bad have got this far?"<br />Ask the ?opposition?</q></p><p>Perhaps if folks like Sacha could stop campaigning for Nact dear old Phil will have a chance.<br />On the asset sale bollocks I call bluff. They did it with the strip mining of our National parks...    "Oooo,?</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>So you mean you don?t loathe National?</q></p><p>I was a die-hard National supporter from ages nine through, oooh, sixteen. Trufax.</p>
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						<p><q>Perhaps if folks like Sacha could stop campaigning for Nact dear old Phil will have a chance.</q></p><p>Tribalism may be touching, but it doesn't seem to be working very well for the left, does it? I've said clearly many times before that the problem is not with one person. And?</p>
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						<p><q>Look how we listen to the people, we have decided not to do something really unpopular and stupid</q></p><p>The govt are quietly planning further mining. Fortunately the environmental movement are somewhat more effective than Labour right now so you may get to see some opposing of those plans after the?</p>
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						<p><q>The govt are quietly planning further mining. Fortunately the environmental movement are somewhat more effective than Labour right now </q></p><p>There you go, bagging Labour again.<br />The only reason they can be "quietly planning further mining" is because they scared the horses with the mind numbing idea that we could do?</p>
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						<p>Exactly.</p><p>For reference, I primarily won't vote Labour because of their policies:<br />&ndash; I don't support locking innocent people up without trial<br />&ndash; I want the right to choose what I put in my body<br />&ndash; I don't want NZ entering into undemocratic 'free trade' agreements<br />&ndash; I don't want?</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p><q><br />I think it comes down to not enough people shaking better sense into their friends who are proudly saying they will vote National just because Phil Goff is a numbnut. Or proudly saying they won?t vote at all. Vote frikken Green if Labour isn?t left enough for you. I think?</q></p>
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						<p>@CraigR: "Then again, if the question?s been framed as ?do you prefer the Yellow peril owning all your shit or making some rich prick cry?? "<br />Sounds more like Winston First to me.</p><p>Goff's Labour has rightly latched onto privatisation as a hot-button issue, but the problem is, it takes?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>For reference, I primarily won?t vote Labour because of their policies:<br />&ndash; I don?t support locking innocent people up without trial</q></p><p>Serious question: which policy are you referring to?</p><p><q>- I want the right to choose what I put in my body<br />&ndash; I don?t want NZ entering into undemocratic?</q></p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>if the question?s been framed as ?do you prefer the Yellow peril owning all your shit or making some rich prick cry?? (and I can?t find the questions asked anywhere),</q></p><p><q>Voters were asked which they prefer; partial asset sales or Labour?s capital gains tax.</p><p>53 percent of respondents said they?</q></p>
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				<title>Lew Stoddart</title>
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						<p>Steve, if your contention is that pointing out Labour?s failure to perform constitutes ?bagging?, then you?re an apologist for ineffectiveness. </p><p>I want Labour to win. So I refuse to coddle and baby them and pat them on the head and say ?there, there? and blame everyone else when they suck.?</p>
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						<p><q>Serious question: which policy are you referring to?</q><br />The jailing of Ahmed Zaoui.</p><p><q>... Goff has publicly opposed the redeployment of the SAS to Afganistan since 2009</q><br />Which is good. But Labour in power has shown itself to fall quickly under the thrall of the securocracy and the free-trade advocates.?</p>
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						<p><q>you can own your future</q></p><p>Labour's OwnOurFuture campaign was pretty well done. Will be interesting to see if they can pull off the focus and discipline required to convert that into votes across the country. </p><p>The policy constraints on any major party are greater than for smaller ones who can?</p>
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						What have Labour got to lose?
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						<p><q> <em>Serious question: which policy are you referring to?</em></p><p>The jailing of Ahmed Zaoui.</q></p><p>A shameful episode, but not a matter of policy so much as an extended outbreak of idiocy at the SIS and Helen Clark's notorious aversion to being wrong.</p><p>Zaoui did receive a "trial", in that his application?</p>
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						<p><q>I?d assert that if Labour were to turn themselves around and advocate truly radical policies, they might be surprised at the support they?d get.</q></p><p>Where would that support come from?</p>
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						<p><q>What policy change would you propose here?</q></p><p>As a minimum, that if a refugee is believed to be a terrorist or other danger to NZ, that they be charged, indicted and tried in open court, with a jury, for a real offence. </p><p>(That is no more or less than the?</p>
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						<p><q>As a minimum, that if a refugee is believed to be a terrorist or other danger to NZ, that they be charged, indicted and tried in open court, with a jury, for a real offence.</q></p><p>But the Authority <em>is</em> an open court. All its judgements are published in a database?</p>
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						<p><q>A shameful episode, but not a matter of policy so much as an extended outbreak of idiocy at the SIS and Helen Clark's notorious aversion to being wrong.</q></p><p>Could it also have been the fear of looking "soft on terrorism"? Mind you, 9/11 was still fresh on Westerners' minds.</p>
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						<p><q>Labour's OwnOurFuture campaign was pretty well done. Will be interesting to see if they can pull off the focus and discipline required to convert that into votes across the country.</p><p>The policy constraints on any major party are greater than for smaller ones who can afford to take a more?</q></p>
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						<p>What was the offence? Conspiracy to murder/injure/cause explosions?</p><p>Where was the evidence? Witnesses?</p><p>If a New Zealander was suspected of terrorism, that would be rightly required in order to convict them.</p><p>For a foreigner, a collection of scuttlebutt is enough. Sure, it was documented scuttlebutt, but they didn't have anything?</p>
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						<p><q>Where would that support come from?</q></p><p>For the purposes of discussion, I would suggest an answer as:</p><p>1) Traditional* Labour supporters who'll be staying at home this time around.</p><p>2) Traditional* Labour supporters who'll vote Green this time around.</p><p>*whatever this may actually mean. Please don't make me sleep with?</p>
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						<p>Anyway, I digress.</p><p>If one believes in managed capitalism, a firm but fair approach to keeping the Bad Guys inline and that such measures can ensure a continued supply of exciting new consumer goods, then Labour is a good party to back. Or National, if your parents were farmers rather?</p>
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						<p><q>For a foreigner, a collection of scuttlebutt is enough. Sure, it was documented scuttlebutt, but they didn?t have anything that, even if proven, would have convicted Zaoui for an offence.</q></p><p>But that?s not the test, and I?m not aware that it?s the test in any country in the world. Not?</p>
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						<p><q>I?d assert that if Labour were to turn themselves around and advocate truly radical policies, they might be surprised at the support they?d get.</q></p><p>I think you misread the average New Zealand voter, they don't want radical they want justice, exactly how that justice manifests itself to individuals varies. Is?</p>
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						<p><q>For a foreigner, a collection of scuttlebutt is enough. Sure, it was documented scuttlebutt, but they didn?t have anything that, even if proven, would have convicted Zaoui for an offence.</q></p><p>It was a bit more than scuttlebutt. Zaoui was tried and convicted of terrorism offences in Algeria, Belgium and France?</p>
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						<p><q>then voting for Green or Mana doesn?t actually detract from Labour?s chances of winning an election</q></p><p>I disagree. Regardless of how stupid it might be, the public likes to vote for the "winning team". That way they feel like winners. By splitting the leftish vote both Green and Labour are?</p>
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						<p>NZ has agreed to the <a href="http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.html" target="_blank">1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees</a>. That places obligations on us to admit genuine refugees who would be in danger in their homeland.</p><p>Liberal thinking also (pretends to) subscribe to the idea that one man is as good as another, and we shouldn't?</p>
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						<q>One way around it might be for Labour/Green to form a public coalition right now so that it becomes obvious to everyone that the National/ACT coalition is balanced pretty closely with the Green/Labour coalition. ie if you vote Green or Labour it is not a wasted vote and you can?</q>
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						<p><q>So how is it justified to say that an NZ-born violent nutcase is entitled to the full benefit of the law, but a refugee (who, remember, has been conceded the right to come here based on international law) is judged by a different standard.</q></p><p>Because Article 32 doesn't require that?</p>
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						<p><q>So how is it justified to say that an NZ-born violent nutcase is entitled to the full benefit of the law, but a refugee (who, remember, has been conceded the right to come here based on international law) is judged by a different standard.</q></p><p>But that's not what the Convention?</p>
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						<p><q>So how is it justified to say that an NZ-born violent nutcase is entitled to the full benefit of the law, but a refugee (who, remember, has been conceded the right to come here based on international law) is judged by a different standard.</q></p><p>Oh, and also because a person?</p>
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						<p><q>aliens do not have an automatic right to enter and take up residence in New Zealand</q></p><p>.. which has not however deterred Don Brash.</p><p>Further, I note that <a href="http://bigboi.com/2011/08/23/new-zealandaustralia-the-atliens-are-on-the-way-3/" target="_blank">the atliens have landed</a> and are confused by our <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/BigBoi/status/106176758239338496" target="_blank">local customs</a>.</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>which has not however deterred Don Brash</q></p><p>FTW. I, for one, welcome his enormous bald pate onto the pool table of politics, and hope he is potted off the break.</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Thong tither thiren...</strong><br /><q>He has little,<br />under his feet.<br />Mr John Jandles.<br />I feel comfortable,<br />And relaxed,<br />about flip-flops.</q></p><p>methinks vandals<br />stole yer handles...<br />the king of jingles, <br />is Mr John <strong>Jandals</strong><br />while his brother, <br />Mr. Bo, jangles...</p><p><br />PS: I noticed that TV <br />News caption writers<br />(Prime I think)<br />have?</p>
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						I thought after Key's catwalk appearance it was  "Prime Mincer"?
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						<p><q>I thought after Key's catwalk appearance it was "Prime Mincer"?</q></p><p>If ya want his body and ya think he's sexy, then come on, sugar, let him know.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>the king of jingles, is Mr John Jandals</q></p><p><em>Johny's in the basement<br />Mixing up the medicine<br />I'm on the pavement<br />Thinking about the government</em><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drx8cwG-aKE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drx8cwG-aKE</a></p>
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						Wow Linger, did you really just make an association from Key to mincing to (presumably) less masculine (or gay) and therefore that makes him "bad" or less worthy of respect?  Apart sounding like a something a 12 year old would say, I'm pretty sure that falls into the stupid category?
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						And now 2011 will be the year Steve Jobs resigned as Apple CEO.
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						<p><q>Wow Linger, did you really just make an association from Key to mincing to (presumably) less masculine (or gay) and therefore that makes him "bad" or less worthy of respect?</q></p><p>I think you'll find Linger was playing off the word "miniser" which Ian raised (fascinated by language as many of?</p>
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						<p><q> just make an association from Key to mincing to (presumably) less masculine (or gay) </q></p><p>Pretty sure it was in reference to his performance on the catwalk which, rather than being an example of leet modeling skillz, demonstrated that he should stay behind the desk and resist all urges to compete?</p>
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						<p><q>did you really just make an association from Key to mincing</q></p><p>I thought he just looked comfortable and relaxed, in a smiley, hand wavy kind of way.<br />A gorgeous, cute, little prime minister.<br />Nice puppy...</p>
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						<p><q>And now 2011 will be the year Steve Jobs resigned as Apple CEO</q></p><p>I hope thats a joke (that thats the news of the year)</p>
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						<a href="http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110824006503/en/Letter-Steve-Jobs" target="_blank">Nope</a>
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						Sorry, see my amended comment.
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						<p><q>I hope thats a joke</q></p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/5505554/Steve-Jobs-quits-as-Apple-CEO" target="_blank">Not at all.</a></p><p>ETA: Snap! It's certainly going to be the news of the year for *some* people, I think.</p>
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						<q>ETA: Snap! It's certainly going to be the news of the year for *some* people, I think.</q>  If it is thats freaking sad.  Sorry i'm a appleatheist
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						He's influenced the world more than most alive, and built one of the biggest companies in history. Don't have to be an Apple fanboi to acknowledge that.
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						Yeah fair point, but I don't think there such an outpouring when Bill Gates left. (Best example I can think of OTOH).  Sorry I just find the messianic outpouring to Jobs a little OTT.  But then again i'm not a techie so maybe i'm just not in the target.
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>i'm not a techie so maybe i'm just not in the target</q></p><p>No the point is Jobs doesn't appeal to techies, he appeals to users. </p><p>His contribution is best measured by the difference in apple before and after he left the first time. One man should not have that much?</p>
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						<q>Pretty sure it was in reference to his performance on the catwalk which, rather than being an example of leet modeling skillz, demonstrated that he should stay behind the desk and resist all urges to compete for NZ Top Model. He really did mince, it was kind of amusing, and?</q>
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						<p><q>One man should not have that much influence but the experiment showed he did.</q></p><p>You call that an experiment?  No replication, no control?  I'm having second thoughts about your GE work...</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>No replication, no control? </q></p><p>Microsoft? Bill Gates?</p>
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						<a href="http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=AAPL " target="_blank"> Apple shares down almost 20  points (over 5%) in after hours trading</a>
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						<p><q>You call that an experiment? No replication, no control?</q></p><p>What you want more than n=1?? Whadarya some kind of referee or something!</p>
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						<p>To get back to politics and whether or not Labour are a shambles or not, I note that Gerry Brownlee is: <em>" "<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/5502953/Brownlee-refuses-to-release-papers" target="_blank">unwilling</a>" to release information relating to Canterbury land decisions ? including Cabinet papers ? before the general election." ".</em></p><p>It seems to me that this is exactly the?</p>
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