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Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:15:10 +1300

Discussion from blog post.

andrew r

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:15:10 +1300

I saw the 2002 show at bdo . I recall a fairly sparsely populated audience at ground level – when Blue Monday happened the audience on the outskirts got sucked toward the throng at the front. Was cool. I also saw the Mainstreet 1982 gig, had just turned 18 ..?

Grant McDougall

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:20:23 +1300

I don't think they're half the band they once were creatively and the falling-out with Peter Hook is very unseemly, but nonetheless I hope they play a damn good show all the same.

John Cooper Clarke is performing at the Dunedin Fringe festival in March too, btw.

Stephen Glaister

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:37:56 +1300

The Ganley article doesn't square especially well with my memory of the 1982 Mainstreet show. IIRC, New Order came on incredibly late, at least 2 maybe 3 hours after Cooper Clarke finished his set (so their stage time was sometime around 1 a.m.?). A number of people gave up and?

Russell Brown

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:53:23 +1300

The bottom line for me and everyone I knew was that NO had been interesting but a bit of a mess, and that they clearly weren?t in the same league as Simple Minds at Mainstreet a few months earlier. Those guys tore the roof off the joint and just blew?

Russell Brown

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:57:08 +1300

John Cooper Clarke is performing at the Dunedin Fringe festival in March too, btw.

I could tell you a great story about hooking up with a female journalist after we'd both interviewed JCC the day after his first headline show in NZ. But it would be ungentlemanly to do so.

Clint Fern

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:01:48 +1300

I was at the Reading Festival that year, it was my first festival and so at the time didn't realise how crap the location was. As I remember it was the year that Reading turned from a headbangers heaven to something a bit more contemporary. I think NO were back?

Russell Brown

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:02:15 +1300

Go Jackson!

His recording of 'Ceremony' at the same BDO show as 'Atmosphere'

Russell Brown

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:08:15 +1300

I was at the Reading Festival that year, it was my first festival and so at the time didn?t realise how crap the location was.

Having been to Glastonbury in the glorious days when it was a self-policing state in a beautiful, mystic country setting, Reading was a fucking __big__?

Simon Grigg

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:10:12 +1300

A number of people gave up and left (some had last buses or ferries to catch) before NO came on so that NO actually played for a smaller crowd than Cooper Clarke had had.

I do remember a fairly thin crowd, but I also remember an incredibly enthusiastic crowd.

For?

JacksonP

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:12:11 +1300

Your Silent Face, ended with Sumner venemously yelling ?Why don?t you piss off? at particular audience members who?d irritated him (as opposed to underplaying/near speaking the line as per later record, etc.).

He did that 20 years later too. You can even see the blip at about 4.12 here.

[[http://soundcloud.com/tpjr/new-order-bdo-2002-your-silent|Your?

JacksonP

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:14:51 +1300

His recording of 'Ceremony' at the same BDO show as 'Atmosphere'

Right, so you caught up with that even faster than I could post it.

Russell Brown

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:18:40 +1300

Right, so you caught up with that even faster than I could post it.

Your Soundcloud auto-tweet was way ahead of you.

Clint Fern

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:19:26 +1300

I went to Glasters the next year and was amazed by the difference. As you say it was a beautiful setting and instead of goths there were hippies, I think they could still get free entry to the Green Field.

I knew quite a few people who regularly got in?

Stephen Glaister

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:29:44 +1300

I guess the Dec 3 and Dec 4 gigs might have been markedly different, hence the somewhat variant memories. Ganley mentions hearing NO play In a Lonely Place which I don't remember hearing (and which isn't on the published Dec 3 set-list). Conjecture: the Dec 4 gig was better-tempered, had?

Russell Brown

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:33:16 +1300

I knew quite a few people who regularly got in for free

1987 was my first — and the last before the police were allowed onsite.

We pitched up in a van right outside the the perimeter and spent the rest of the weekend going under, over and through the?

Clint Fern

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:41:09 +1300

I know that by 1990 things had started to change a bit, but the cops were pretty low profile still. I think I probably only saw a couple on site. Its a pity they weren't on duty in the carparks – my mates mini got broken into and we had?

Grant McDougall

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:09:15 +1300

__The bottom line for me and everyone I knew was that NO had been interesting but a bit of a mess, and that they clearly weren?t in the same league as Simple Minds at Mainstreet a few months earlier. Those guys tore the roof off the joint and just blew?

Robert Fox

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:41:35 +1300

After New Order, my mate Greg and I went up to the top field, where the Mutoid Waste Company were running a crazy techno-pagan party amid cars hacked to look like dinosaurs. One of the better nights of my life.

Ditto. I haven't got clear memories of for obvious reasons,?

Russell Brown

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:06:54 +1300

Ditto. I haven?t got clear memories of for obvious reasons, but it sounds like we may have had a very similar experience of beating out grimy Pagan rythyms at Car Henge that night.

Ah yes ? I think we?ve discussed this before. For a while I had a piece of?

nothingelseon

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:30:04 +1300

Bizarrely enough, I just scanned these today ? shots taken on my shitty instamatic from the crowd at the Logan Campbell Centre in 1985. Life changing gig for me that one, but by all accounts they were grumpy & unreasonable. They did play an encore though (if you hung round long?

Bruce Wurr

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:55:19 +1300

I went to the Bataclan gig, and it was great. They're notoriously fragile live, but have improved to more hit than miss, and Bernard's always hilarious. Although he seems to have gotten a bit more stadium rock in his audience banter. It's also good to see the new(ish) members take?

Robert Fox

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:59:21 +1300

Did you go to the huge Mutoid one at King?s Cross?

I'm Pretty sure that the major Mutoid one was before I moved to London so I dont think I was at the one you mention although I did go to their place in Kings Cross a few times after?

Dave Patrick

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:25:36 +1300

I was at that Logan Campbell New Order concert, and as I recall, it was a pretty good night out. Lots of knobs being twiddled, very little stage banter, but enjoyable at the time. It really was a horrible venue though – shitty sound everywhere unless you were right up?

JacksonP

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:46:53 +1300

Flickr set (13 photos & I think the Craccum review)

Some good shots there, and number 12 in particular. It seems strangely familiar. Barney looking so intently at the fret board is a classic stance of his too.

Which I definitely didn't have after seeing them in 1987 at the Galaxy?

nothingelseon

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:11:48 +1300

Cheers! Was all luck back then without the luxury of a digital camera :-)

Bruce Wurr

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:48:38 +1300

Actually in hindsight that?s a pretty good setlist! I was young and naive, and also just glad I was able to get in (being a very young looking 17)???I hadn?t quite grasped the beauty of the moodiness of New Order, having to live on a diet of 3 month old?

JacksonP

Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:12:32 +1300

It?s the weekend, so here?s some more from BDO 2002;

Temptation

LWTUA

merc

Sun, 19 Feb 2012 09:15:40 +1300

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KO0zeP6ftY&feature=related
A performance of Everyone Everywhere from the Montreux Jazz Festival in Switzerland recorded on 2nd July 1993.
"You were once the main attraction, now that's all in your? ass."

Russell Brown

Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:19:04 +1300

Hi y'all. Jen Lander has won the draw for the free New Order tix. Everyone else will have to buy their own :-)

4 Horsemen

Sat, 03 Mar 2012 16:18:01 +1300

...Speaking of John Cooper Clarke – Kim Hill did a great interview with John Cooper Clarke this morning 3/3/2012 – Some awesome radio! Peep the podcast:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2511667/john-cooper-clarke-poetry-and-punk

Some additional info's about John Cooper Clarkes March 2012 NZ shows:

http://forums.punkas.com/viewtopic.php?t=63614&p=1259688

Cheers – I thought New Order was a total arse-shaker personally!?