What. The. Frak. I'd quite like you to ask Errol Wright and Abi King-Jones if they had any second thoughts about blurring the line between subject and film-maker like that. "Advocacy" has its place in documentary film-making, but?

Peter Calder covered that with them:

Wright and King-Jones are aware of the charge that they sometimes appear almost to merge with their subjects. At one point, one of?

We'll discuss that on the show. One thing I really wondered?

True,?

I was muttering under my breath during those parts. But, as I noted, it seems likely the police will use a similar form of argument in the trial. The mirror-image?

That?s?

Any more than the half-baked media coverage at the time did?

EDIT: and I hadn't seen Craig's comment when I wrote that. I'm talking media coverage in totality, not any specific allegations about collusion.

More passing on "tips" from police sources so they've got something to fill their reports. I?

I prefer Motorway Patrol, which deals with the less serious and is therefore funnier. But, yes, even there police officers are spectacularly reasonable.

It's not a distinction without a difference; there is a lot of footage of activists outside of court, parliament and businesses heckling or trying to get comment from others. The Morse footage?

Hmmm. I think it's a little more than that, especially?

I find Motorway Patrol too sad to watch. Every time they pull over an unwarranted, unregistered, or otherwise defective car belonging to some poor person unable to afford their duties to the state or safety, my?

Obviously what we need is for every police patrol to be accompanied by a TV doco crew.

I, for one, do not think that would be a bad idea at all.

It is entirely compelling television, and often first rate entertainment.

I love a lot of reality television, but I can't handle those shows. Most of the time I feel so sorry for the poor person getting arrested that I can't quite manage to be entertained. (The American shows are worse/more?

"No idea where the footage went, Sarge. Musta dropped out of the car during the struggle."

Funny how reality TV seems anything but.

Yeah, but nah. Unless you're suggesting the "struggle" includes going to the boot, breaking into the secure drive storage bay, removing the drive, and "losing" it.
No tape, not accessible to the officers, and?

Given that it will be the Police?s footage, I would assume they will. Provided the archival storage systems are robust (write-once, etc), and the procedures around retrieval of footage at the end of a shift don?t involve response officers, the integrity?

+1.?

I prefer Reno 911?

Or the The Wi... wait, I'm going to stop before we have one of those threads.

I am very familiar with the history of the AR scene in NZ and there is a lot of very concerning stuff which has gone on. I have no problem with the police investigating criminal activity?

Given that prof Hodge commented after watching the?

I have a colleague who moved to Australia because after his car was splashed with acid the activists made it clear they knew where he lived and where his children went to school. Reasoned arguments were not on the agenda.

Ugh.

The trailer.

During the mid 2000s I had a fair bit to do with the animal rights movement, and agent provocateur/spy Rob Gilchrist had landed himself in the middle of it. At the time we didn't know about his intimate relationship with senior police, obviously, but uncovering his involvement?

It the Q&A an audience member asked the directors:?

He asked me to note:

? that I would not have told you what?s in my earlier e-mail?

I think we need to make a documentary investigating whether this film is part of an elaborate and fiendishly subtle disinformation campaign by Police agents provocateurs.?

From what I recall of things that revelation shits on a lot of the stories about how the cops leaked stuff to?

Intelligence is a complex of skills, and the origin of consciousness is highly contentious. An AI that could?

It is interesting just how pathetic most of the things we get busted?

I'm sure if I could just see it, I'd prefer the one and only True Reality Show that follows a regular honest officer of the law who's been humbly working for two decades under most people's radar.

** [[http://www.thewrap.com/tv/article/arizona-sheriff-steven-segal-use-tank-bust-alleged-cockfighter-while-filming-aes-lawman-vide|Steven?

They're also there as this is a MAF requirement for containment and transitional facilities.

There were a whole bunch of problems with security around these times as?

After each there was the little bit by the cop about how they?d just prevented some terrible thing from happening. The saddest thing was that they seemed to believe it.

Cant get sad about that. Type 1 errors seems to be something we all should know about.?

Oh, I think the cops — or some cops — were certainly doing plenty of off-the-record briefing. The Dom Post's first front page on the raids?

Heh. You realise John Darroch was that guy? That was pretty cool.

It is interesting just how pathetic most of the things we get busted for in NZ are. Last time I watched it, I saw 3 busts before just getting sick of it. One was a poor old guy who changed lanes without leaving enough gap ? $300 or so. Another?

He's an awesome brother.

Nah, could be any one of my family. It is weird when you watch unmarked cars parked down the road at all hours and wonder if they're going to break your door down at 5am (not an idle?

A lot of them are pretty explicit about their desire to make students believe their lives and families will be in danger if they go into any sort of animal research. It's sickening,?

Hey, thanks for reading anyway.

There seems to be some assumption here that the filmmakers should have adhered to BBC standards ? never mind that our TV broadcasters don?t.

Would that?

It was and still is. But so is reasoned debate.

It looks like a good watch to me, I'd like to see it. The raids themselves provoked a heck of a lot of heated debate on both sides. IIRC?

She had departed before that, but she was unhappy, because she knows a number of people involved. We're all sweet now.

Bollocks. There have been far more sophisticated discussions of power on Public Address than in anything you have ever published, Peter. Or do you mean Comrade Trotter's idea of analysis, mired?

Oops. Argumentum ad hominem now. Sorry to have bothered you. Over and out.

And that's what I'll be doing on our TV show. One of the reasons I wrote?

That was unnecessary from Sacha. But you did open by slinging off at everyone else here ...

Coincidentally, the day that I joined the [Redacted Place] and became unsure whether I could say exactly what I wanted on this forum without getting fired,?

I'd actually forgotten that. But like I said, we're good.

When I was in my 20s, we were protesting about shit every bloody week ? partly because it was fun and a good way to pick up girls...

The mists of time seems to have done a number on your memory. But exaggerating for effect can be fun. How did?

I'd imagine that the camera will be fixed in the car (this seems to be how they work in the states where they often?

In a tit-for-tat sense. It's fine, don't worry.

I'll echo Sasha, Bollocks!

You either haven't read what is here or haven't understood it. Most of the questions being asked refer to the appropriateness of releasing?

Yeah, except that there are many good safety reasons to park behind them, none of which is related to capturing things on camera. Or are you talking about the cops who pull?

You'll have to ask John Drinnan. He said much the same thing in a particularly spiteful column before the show launched.

It's much easier to justify the use of force if it happens on the street. And to blame "clumsy" crims for their own injuries.

This is definitely a hole I can't dig myself out of.

We're expecting a chapter in your thesis – if Brown hasn't paid you off already.

True, but there is that nagging worry that you might actually get bashed yourself, which doesn't factor down at the station. And who needs some sticky?

FFS, Peter, given the vitriol I've poured for TV broadcasters for their credulous treatment of Ken Ring, the scientifically fraudulent claim that there's a link between?

true, that

But it's such fun to watch. Here, have another shovel.

*You know, that solves it. It?s not the Atlanteans, the Justified Ancients of Mu Mu, the Templars or the Reptoids, even. It?s Them. You just have to?

Did you make it yourself?

You do this sort of thing on purpose, don't you?

Yes.

Danielle can now go into Easter a much happier person having made this comment :)

You know who else likes felafel? Oasama Bin Laden. I'm just saying, for a thread about terrorism, we're venturing into some scary, scary places.

You're working off an a priori conception of Danielle?

This should be the opening sentence of a novel.

The classic, Lytony aside and sadly never used, was Edward Bryant's "One day, the Pope forgot to take her Pill."

and as it's Easter – Let it Be...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvPugOWeZiA&feature=related

Blow. Can?t make it come up with a picture. What am I doing wrong? ETA: MAGIC!!!!
Anyway, this piece of music was inspired by something scrawled on a Gestapo cell by an eighteen year-old?

And I say ?needs to be viewed? advisedly, because this is a film that every New Zealander ought to see. It has a very clear political agenda, and we ought to welcome that: there is no way to deal with this subject without taking a?

It's?

It's playing again tomorrow (Tuesday) at the Rialto at 11:15am.

Seeing Ross Meurant (of springbok tour red squad fame) now framed as the good guy is decidedly unsettling

Right?