Hard News by Russell Brown

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Hard News: Another Network in a Different City

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  • Russell Brown,

    I'm sure these problems are soluble, but ultimately the actual organization will not be an amateur affair. Whoever sets up the connection to the net must be a pro, and there will be tech support, you can take that as guaranteed.

    All good points. I've emailed Julian to see if he can drop by and explain the model they use in Europe.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18726 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    There's mega advantages to it. Local file sharing, offsite backups, local cache generally.

    Oh God. Imagine offsite backup at 54Mbps. That would be very handy.

    And file-sharing -- ironically, the person who told me about the Pt Chev internet consumer rebellion is the local boss of one of the major record labels.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18726 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    I actually find that all alcohol smells to me like vomit. But that is because my vomit has so often had alcohol in it that the association is very strong. I feel the same way about carrots in stew.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8328 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Andrew,

    my vomit has so often had alcohol

    "Its not the drinking, its how we're drinking."

    Hamiltron - City of the F… • Since Nov 2006 • 841 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Yes, I really should learn to appreciate the taste of vomit in moderation.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8328 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Andrew,

    And especially not with Trevor from Accounts...

    Hamiltron - City of the F… • Since Nov 2006 • 841 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    But he's so pretty when I'm drunk.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8328 posts Report Reply

  • rodgerd,

    The attraction for the telcos is in only having to deliver to a single point of entry for the network. In Europe, they compete quite strongly to deliver service.

    Given the two major local telcos and their ISPs have been working to knobble peering exchanges, I really can't see them emulating their European peers.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 512 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Given the two major local telcos and their ISPs have been working to knobble peering exchanges, I really can't see them emulating their European peers.

    Which is where we might look for Mr Cunliffe to deliver on the rock-star image he earned himself at Foo Camp this year when he promised to address the peering problem.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18726 posts Report Reply

  • daleaway,

    It's Dennis from Accounts, not Trevor. Take more water with it...

    Since Jul 2007 • 178 posts Report Reply

  • tussock,

    Dear Dunedin: $190 million spent on teh internets would better reward your future residents than would a flammable rugby ground with no parking. TIA.

    Since Nov 2006 • 367 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    Tussock: I believe that was exactly the essence of what I wrote to the council when they were considering their planning for the coming year - fat lot of good it did - we did however just elect a council exactly none of whom said they were in favour of funding the stadium ..... largely because the bulk of the wimpy bastards carefully didn't take a stand in any of their published statements (and the rest said they were against it)

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2074 posts Report Reply

  • Jarno van der Linden,

    Call me paranoid, but what is the law enforcement situation with opening up ones WAP and ISP account to all? Is the law refined enough, and do the police know enough, to not break down my door when some traffic that is of interest to them gets routed through my humble box of plastic and electronics?

    Not that I would open up my WAP. The monthly data caps make that a non-starter.

    Nelson • Since Oct 2007 • 68 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Call me paranoid, but what is the law enforcement situation with opening up ones WAP and ISP account to all?

    That's not really how it would work. It wouldn't be your own ISP account being pillaged, but a matter of data being delivered from the edge of the network. Your WAP is just a network relay, and iirc there are specific protections for network operators. Telecom doesn't get busted every time someone's caught with kiddy porn.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18726 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    I can see such a network working well here in Point Chevalier: a contained, increasingly gentrified suburb

    But is it a good idea that cheap, fast net access is only available for (relatively) wealthy urbanites in smart inner suburbs.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4424 posts Report Reply

  • InternationalObserver,

    But is it a good idea that cheap, fast net access is only available for (relatively) wealthy urbanites in smart inner suburbs.

    Hey I've got your number pal -- ya damn lousy commie! If you think us taxpayers are going to pay for those dole bludging terrorists in Tuhoe to get a wireless network so they can hook up with Al Qaeda ...

    ~ Joey Redneck

    Since Jun 2007 • 909 posts Report Reply

  • Neil Morrison,

    If you think us taxpayers are going to pay for those dole bludging terrorists in Tuhoe to get a wireless network so they can hook up with Al Qaeda ...

    A joke but is there something in this? There's always been crazy people at both ends of the polical spectrum who in the pre-internet past have been able to hook up and cause trouble but can the new social networking technology add a certain momentum to this sort of thing?

    Connecting people and giving them the opportunity to share and reinforce some very weird views to the point where they may act on them whereas in the past they might not.

    Since Nov 2006 • 932 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    But is it a good idea that cheap, fast net access is only available for (relatively) wealthy urbanites in smart inner suburbs.

    It would be good if it was even available there.

    A joke but is there something in this?

    Somehow I think being on a wifi network would be the very last thing a serious terrorist would want to do. Especially not out in the bush when you're trying to keep radio silence. So someone who uses a mobile phone where you send plain text messages about the revolution didn't get past chapter one of their awesome IRA manual.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8328 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    It's ok Neil. It turns out that all those online terrorists are actually suburban housewives from Montana.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2936 posts Report Reply

  • Ben Austin,

    That was a great story Stephen, although I kind of wonder at why she was revealed so openly. I assume names / identifying data have been changed but still.

    Not long before I left NZ I heard about C1, the CCL/private sector cable network, which must be operational by now. It is a good example of local community led fibre substitutes and hopefully is merely the start of a wider network.

    London • Since Nov 2006 • 881 posts Report Reply

  • Grant McDougall,

    You don't know how much it bugs the hell out of me that John Cale isn't playing Christchurch, other-wise I'd be there like a a shot.

    His autobiography What's Welsh For Zen? is one of the best-ever rock books; he takes a real warts 'n' all look at his life and there's some fantastic insights and anecdotes about all manner of rock 'n' roll weirdos.

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2006 • 582 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    __But is it a good idea that cheap, fast net access is only available for (relatively) wealthy urbanites in smart inner suburbs.__

    Hey I've got your number pal -- ya damn lousy commie! If you think us taxpayers are going to pay for those dole bludging terrorists in Tuhoe to get a wireless network so they can hook up with Al Qaeda ...

    Heh. On the other hand, there are still (and I hope there always will be) Housing NZ tenancies here -- six in our little street. And we're not that far from McGehan Close, as the Wi-Fi crow flies ...

    OTOH, all those immigrants and bludgers over in Mt Albert have a much shorter copper run than us. Bloody socialism.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18726 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Connecting people and giving them the opportunity to share and reinforce some very weird views to the point where they may act on them whereas in the past they might not.

    Damn, he's onto us. Quick, close down the Te Qaeda facebook group and listed events!

    Since Nov 2006 • 6162 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Connecting people and giving them the opportunity to share and reinforce some very weird views to the point where they may act on them whereas in the past they might not.

    I don't reckon. Yes, you hear some whack views online now. But the only difference between now and the past is that you hear them. The whack views have always been around. Usually the whackos are told to piss off and play by themselves (which they do). Online they don't have the controlling factor of people knowing who they are, so we hear more of their crap.

    Does that 'reinforce' their views? Since online the whackos also get a constant verbal beating I doubt there's any more reinforcing going on. The only real reinforcement is that attention is giving to their sounding-off. Which reinforces the sounding-off, but does it lead to any more action? I doubt it - they're too busy sounding-off to act. They're also giving their IP address to the site owner, so the more they sound off, the less safe they are to carry out whacko actions.

    Seriously. I don't think better and faster communication leads to more whackos being more whack.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8328 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Llewellyn,

    OTOH, all those immigrants and bludgers over in Mt Albert have a much shorter copper run than us. Bloody socialism

    Oye! - I'll cop to the immigrant part :)

    Mt Albert • Since Nov 2006 • 399 posts Report Reply

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