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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<title>barnaclebarnes</title>
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						The thing that Drinnan doesn't seem to get is that you are opinionated and that you do have a voice. This is the primary reason us readers visit Pub^H^H^HHard Copy and I for one am very clear on where your advertising based comments start and editorial ends. You have always?
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						<p>Yes, John Drinnan does seem to be somewhat obsessed with you Russell. He use "taxpayer funded" as if they were dirty words. So, should we refer to the "taxpayer funded New Zealand Army" or  "taxpayer  funded hip operations"?</p><p>Media 7 was excellent last night.  I did wonder, however, what was?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:45:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael Savidge</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The parent company is co-founded by America hate-radio meathead Michael Savage, whose freakish bigotry extends to vile spewing about both gay folk, and autistic children and their parents. You may wish to buy your caffeine and sugar concoctions elsewhere.</p></blockquote><p>Hey, that's almost me!</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:47:01 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hey, that's almost me!</p></blockquote><p>Almost bastard!</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:50:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Evan Yates</title>
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						<blockquote><p>America hate-radio meathead Michael Savage</p></blockquote><p>His middle name isn't <em>Joseph</em>  by any perverse chance? That would be just too antipodal for words...</p>
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				<title>Mark Easterbrook</title>
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						<p>I think Drinnan's a little bit in love with you.</p><p>And maybe a little bit jealous that you have an audience that a) cares about your opinion and b) engages in conversation about it.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think Drinnan's a little bit in love with you.</p></blockquote><p>I'm afraid my heart will always belong to David Cohen.</p>
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				<title>Caleb D&#039;Anvers</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yes, John Drinnan does seem to be somewhat obsessed with you Russell. He use "taxpayer funded" as if they were dirty words. So, should we refer to the "taxpayer funded New Zealand Army" or "taxpayer funded hip operations"?</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, or perhaps we could refer to Drinnan as a business- and?</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						Has Drinnan not seen <a href="http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/mac-planet/?c_id=1502175" target="_blank">Mac Planet</a>? It's only barely short of being an Apple advertorial, right there in the hallowed pages of Granny Online. It's a bit rich for him to gripe that you've blurred the line between editor/advertiser when his own employer happily publishes a weekly Apple wankfest under?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:04:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>Drinnan &ndash; <em>a taxpayer funded TV news presenter fronting an advertising campaign for Meridian Energy</em></p><p>Jeez Russell, it's not always about you.  He's clearly talking about Jeremy Wells...</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:07:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's a bit rich for him to gripe that you've blurred the line between editor/advertiser when his own employer happily publishes a weekly Apple wankfest under the guise of a "blog".</p></blockquote><p>I feel I should offer to fight you, but I might accidentally scratch my iPhone. I know Mark Webster,?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:09:51 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						Well, with a title like "Mac Planet" of course it's going to be cheerleading. But it's still far too "fanboi" for him to have any kind of moral high ground from which to be criticising you. After all, you're merely there in all your magenta-tinged "Che Brown" glory, rather than?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:16:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tim Michie</title>
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						<p>That the Herald get's facts wrong and attempts to see scandal where there is none wasn't news but it was good to see something on the media there.</p><p>Hopefully they can also apply that eye on themselves sometime.</p>
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				<title>Sam M</title>
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						On another note, I am interested in your purchase of "renewable" electricity.  I've always thought this a bit of a con given the interconnectedness of our transmission system and the fact that (in a physical sense) the vast majority of Auckland's power must come from the coal being burnt at?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:31:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Zippy Gonzales</title>
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						Has Meridian disclosed their use of Jeremy Wells in their TV ads? Comedians have appeared in everything from finance company to fast food ads. Artists can't pay the bills with kind thoughts.
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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						<p>minor grumble...</p><p>The three podcast sections of last-nights Media7 are all only 30 secs long...</p><p>Can you let whoever's in charge of such things know?</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Oddly enough, the Powershop reporting I thought did go too far was the Campbell Live story on Monday night, which was presented as a report but came across as a promotional video.</p></blockquote><p>Snap. Good for Powershop, I said to myself. Mind you, I recall on the news the other Sunday?</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>You don't ever purchase "renewable" electricity &ndash; you purchase "green" or "carbon neutral" electricity.  <br />When you're doing that, the retailer is purchasing offsets against the emissions involved across the electricity lifecycle &ndash; i.e. they work out the average emission intensity in a given kwh (being x% of generation in NZ?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:10:06 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I consider that acceptable shorthand, considering you're giving the money to someone who generates the equivalent amount of electricity from a renewable resource. (But as usual, it's not cleaner than not using the power).</p></blockquote><p>That's as I understand it also. We buy an amount of renewable energy as part of?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:14:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p>Without wishing to agree with Drinnan, the two paragraphs that Russell posted the other week did raise a red flag for me. I had intended to email you about it Russell, but I've been consuming BSG seasons 1 and 2 (which is proving to be an easy distraction).</p><p>I've happily?</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Snap. Good for Powershop, I said to myself. Mind you, I recall on the news the other Sunday they had the special offer from the IV fertilisation people.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah that was weird. I half expected the news story to finish with offering a free set of steak knives.</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>When you're doing that, the retailer is purchasing offsets against the emissions involved across the electricity lifecycle &ndash; i.e. they work out the average emission intensity in a given kwh (being x% of generation in NZ has emissions of y) and offset that.</p></blockquote><p>Does each additional purchase of renewable energy?</p>
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				<title>Paul Litterick</title>
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						I see DPF is running IQ test ads on his site. Some of his readers might get a rude awakening.
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<p>The things you miss with Adblock. </p><p><em>I see DPF is running IQ test ads on his site. Some of his readers might get a rude awakening.</em></p><p>Have you ever met anyone who did an IQ test and scored lower than 140? Seems to me that 100% of the population have?</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>Sorry Kyle, I don't quite follow your question.</p><p>&ndash; Meridian does an offsetting of their retail to generation &ndash; they generate only using non-emitting sources (hydro, wind) so if they retail less than they generate then I believe they claim they have zero emissions for retail energy.  Bit of a?</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						My teenage son did one of those IQ tests (probably not from there) &ndash; it wanted his cell number to text the results to &ndash; somewhere along the way he signed up to some bogus text service he couldn't afford &ndash; much yelling was done over the phone &ndash; beware
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p><em>In an attempt at visual:</em> <br />Generator A (hydro)+Generator B (coal)<br />|<br />Big pool o electricity<br />|<br />Your house (billed to you by retailer)</p><p><br />There is no concept of getting "electrons" from A rather than B into your house.  So all they can do is offset the emissions of "B electrons"?</p>
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				<title>Ben McNicoll</title>
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						<p>I think Kyle is asking the question I have: </p><p>If you buy the cleaner option, does that increase the amount of clean generation, or is it simply an accounting trick, where your purchase of clean generation is just allocated out of the general "mixed" pool of power available, thus making?</p>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Have you ever met anyone who did an IQ test and scored lower than 140?</p></blockquote><p>Proper IQ tests are ranged. If you sat the most generic one (which I assume the online ones are modelled on), and you reasonably well, then you'd end up sitting successively harder tests. A short?</p>
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				<title>Mark Harris</title>
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						<p>I was tickled by the fact that there was an animated ad for Vodaphone interrupting Drinnan's drivel, as well as one for the NBZ in the top right corner, plus <em>contextual</em>  Google ads down the right hand side.</p><p>Also, from the last section, Drinnan has a fixation on dirty toilet?</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>Ben &ndash; with Meridian it's the latter. If they retail less than they generate "cleanly" then they claim that they need no offset for any of their retailed electricity, effectively claiming they have only retailed "their" generation. Thus dirtying the remainder of the pool I suppose, yes.</p><p>Green Power Company?</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>To quote myself: <em>If they retail less than they generate "cleanly" then they claim that they need no offset for any of their retailed electricity</em></p><p>This provides incentive for Meridan themselves to increase their clean generation I suppose.</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						Given that TVNZ pays the taxpayer a dividend, isn't Russell funding the taxpayer, rather than the other way?
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote>My teenage son did one of those IQ tests (probably not from there) &ndash; it wanted his cell number to text the results to &ndash; somewhere along the way he signed up to some bogus text service he couldn't afford &ndash; much yelling was done over the phone &ndash; beware</blockquote>?
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				<title>Ben McNicoll</title>
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						<p>Cheers Gareth... that's what i suspected was the case. </p><p>It seems to my Friday brain, that nominally splitting the generation into 2 tiers when the resource is pooled is silly, and won't result in any sort of market pressure on generators to make their new generation renewable, particularly when it's?</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p>Gareth,</p><p>It sounds like an accounting trick to make everyone pay a bit extra voluntarily for renewable electricity that we already get at the normal price.</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Proper IQ tests are ranged.</p></blockquote><p>For example, I understand you can get a couple of points on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wechsler_Adult_Intelligence_Scale" target="_blank">WAIS</a> if you're dead.</p>
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				<title>Ben McNicoll</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Given that TVNZ pays the taxpayer a dividend, isn't Russell funding the taxpayer, rather than the other way?</p></blockquote><p>Until you count the charter money I think.</p><p>What is the difference between TVNZ's dividened to the gummint, and the charter money they are given to fund public good broadcasting? </p><p>(and I'll?</p>
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				<title>Ben McNicoll</title>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Might have been hidden in the small print I guess.</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://scoop.co.nz/stories/CU0903/S00384.htm" target="_blank">You are not alone</a></p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>Ben and Kyle re "accounting trick" &ndash; the more generous interpretation is that you are simply buying offsets for the emissions of your electricity usage (this is true with Green Power Company at least).  <br />But yes the incentive-to-clean-generation is not really part of the equation.</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote>It seems to my Friday brain, that nominally splitting the generation into 2 tiers when the resource is pooled is silly, and won't result in any sort of market pressure on generators to make their new generation renewable, particularly when it's such a small segment of the market that you?</blockquote>
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				<title>James Littlewood*</title>
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						<p>So, where does the clean electricity come from? Until Powershop, Meridian could claim this all to themselves. But since they own Powershop, they can't claim to be only selling Green electricity.</p><p>Agh, so confusing. Proves only one thing: the electricity industry is a farkn shambles. Consumers are beweildered, prices are?</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>On topic #1, I'd suggest the following partisan view:</p><p>&ndash; For most people, the main problem with the recession is that a lot of people who had productive jobs a year ago don't now.</p><p>&ndash; Loosening fiscal policy, increasing borrowing and maintaining public spending would help rectify that</p><p>&ndash; Again,?</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						The bit I've never got about this new fangled electrickery stuff is how do you know which electricity are you getting? I mean, it all comes down the same wire and you can't even see it. Sure, you can see the effects, like light or heat or whatever but honestly.?
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>More a concern that I felt those comments maybe needed a stronger disclaimer, an indication of what PA/Russell Brown was getting from the company (which you've provided today) so we could assess your comments about it in their light.</p></blockquote><p>And I don't mind you saying so. Indeed, I <em>rely</em>  on?</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>And another thing!</p><p>Retail electricity "markets" are intrinsically bogus. There's only one set of wires in the country, so you get the same power as the guy next door, no matter who you pay for it. If you get cheap power, it's at the expense of someone else.</p><p>What should?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Actually, this discussion about WTF green power actually means is a good example of a worthwhile conversation.</p><p>I'll see if I can ask someone from Powershop to front and answer the questions.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						Rich, 100% correct. The recession is actually just another right wing plot. :-)
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What do the "retailers" actually do, apart from charging a premium for their "service"?.</p></blockquote><p>Retailers are there because the alternative would see us all shafted (even more) for our electricity &ndash; it's a realisation that there will only ever be one set of "the wires" in your area and leaving?</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What do you think? It clearly benefits the lucky punter who gets a PVR, we get a little money, and &mdash; hopefully &mdash; the conversation is worthwhile.</p></blockquote><p>It seems pretty transparent to me. And presumably said blogger would be free to write that the experience sucks, should that be the?</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote>Retailers are there because the alternative would see us all shafted (even more) for our electricity </blockquote> Not if it were owned by the people for the people, as God intended.
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						My "alternative" there was the alternative in the existingmarket setup btw.  Obviously there are completely different systems possible, like Rich's example.
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Not if it were owned by the people for the people, as God intended</p></blockquote><p>I'm pretty sure all electrons belong to the Estate of Michael Faraday, by right of discovery.</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The bit I've never got about this new fangled electrickery stuff is how do you know which electricity are you getting? I mean, it all comes down the same wire and you can't even see it.</p></blockquote><p>Steve, in the short-term it doesn't matter too much. The point of MRET and?</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>remember how electricity works, basically the company loans you a few electrons and then takes them back &ndash; 50 times a second &ndash; what you're really buying is not the electrons but the push behind them</p><p>What I'd like to see is an electricity scheme that includes the cost of?</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What I'd like to see is an electricity scheme that includes the cost of pushing those electrons across Cook Straight</p></blockquote><p>You'll be wanting a feed-in system then... actually, that's a bit glib, NZ's reliant on hydro, solar arrangements don't work quite so well if you live under the long-white cloud?</p>
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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						<p>"Given that TVNZ pays the taxpayer a dividend, isn't Russell funding the taxpayer, rather than the other way?"</p><p>Well, that all depends...</p><p>Where does the dividend come from?  Its advertisng revenue, isnt it?<br />Whether any show was paying a dividend or not would depend on what the show cost the?</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						No what I was implying more was that we'd use our power more efficiently if we put the users closer to where it's generated &ndash; by making South island power the same price in both the North and South Islands we effectively encourage people to waste it &ndash; sending power?
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				<title>Ben McNicoll</title>
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						<blockquote>Retailers are there because the alternative would see us all shafted (even more) for our electricity &ndash; it's a realisation that there will only ever be one set of "the wires" in your area and leaving the owner of them to charge you for the power they deliver wouldn't be?</blockquote>
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				<title>Michael Savidge</title>
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						<blockquote><p>In that spirit, Ffunnell is discussing a campaign with Freeview. A reader each from participating sites gets a Freeview PVR, on the condition that they blog about their experience of entering the world of digital time-shifting. They'd be someone who didn't have any form of digital TV or recorder.</p><p>I?</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>and TVNZ 7 doesnt show any commercial adverts... so I think Media 7 is definitely publicly fundED rather than public fundING.</p></blockquote><p>TVNZ 7 is covered by the $89m for five years granted by the last government to get the digital channels established &mdash; so not the Charter <em>or</em>  advertising.</p><p>But?</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>all the retailers are competing on is how much they will cut the markup to buy the right to bill you.</p></blockquote><p>Well yes.  Which, in the existing split-role model seems like a good thing to me.  As I said though, I was contrasting it only with a "single distributor bills?</p>
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				<title>Ben McNicoll</title>
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						Yes, but the point is, it's their markup they are competing on, which is an added layer of profit taking going onto that power price, which perhaps wouldn't need to be there.
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						Fair point, although conceptually they are bundling the bill of the lines companies and generation companies.  Those companies would otherwise have to bill those themselves with the accompanying cost and margin &ndash; if we changed models the functions the retailers currently undertake would have to be done somewhere.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Hey, this is interesting ...</p><p>I've just had a call from Mercury Energy &mdash; not because of who I am, I think, but because they seem to be calling everyone for whom they get a Powershop switch request.</p><p>Their pitch:</p><p>&ndash; Actually, when you factor in the standing charge and?</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote> an added layer of profit taking going onto that power price, which perhaps wouldn't need to be there.</blockquote>Which was , kinda, my point. A nationalised power system (and Gas and water for that matter) would be more equitable. Some would say that that system has been tried and failed through?
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But is contacting and making offers to customers on this basis anti-competitive, or just good retail competition?</p></blockquote><p>I'd call that good competition, albeit only offered under the gun of leaving.</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						Alan Macdougall ran an <a href="http://halfpie.net/article/858/will-powershop-save-me-money" target="_blank">interesting discussion of Powershop</a> on his blog a wee while ago.
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But is contacting and making offers to customers on this basis anti-competitive, or just good retail competition?</p></blockquote><p>I guess it's what any sensible business would do if you cancelled their service.</p><p>But because the whole thing is artificial, it looks like an anti-competitive practice. For one thing, Meridian and MRP?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Alan Macdougall ran an interesting discussion of Powershop on his blog a wee while ago.</p></blockquote><p>That's excellent, as are the comments.</p><p>If Ari Sargent is reading this, he's welcome to contribute any comments.</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						That Macdougall piece is superb. Cheers. Powershop mightn't be for everyone but big kudos for their engagement and product innovation.
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						Powershop will come into it's own as more of the smart meter/Glo Bug meters come onstream.  That's where Google's Powermeter project is heading too &ndash; it's the live info of your usage tied into purchasing that will setup some real savings I imagine.
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote>Why it's more efficient to have three companies with the same owner pretending to compete escapes me. </blockquote>Smoke and mirrors Rich. Keep the punters scared and confused.
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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						<blockquote><p>- Like Powershop, they're offering a $50 credit by way of an inducement.</p></blockquote><p>So, how do I, as an existing Mercury customer, get this $50 credit? They'll just credit my (and everyone elses) account? Yeah Right!<br />Phone them up and tell them I'm thinking about switching?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:44:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What do you think? It clearly benefits the lucky punter who gets a PVR, we get a little money, and &mdash; hopefully &mdash; the conversation is worthwhile.</p></blockquote><p>What Giovanni said. I'd add, be not only upfront to us, but to the rest of the world about how it works. "We"?</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What do you think? It clearly benefits the lucky punter who gets a PVR, we get a little money, and &mdash; hopefully &mdash; the conversation is worthwhile.</p></blockquote><p>If nothing else, this is the point Drinnan misses in his piece. The discussion will inevitably include comments critical of powershop which makes?</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						This live update of <a href="http://www.em6live.co.nz/PlanningRegion.aspx?planningregion=uni" target="_blank">NZ power usage</a> is geeky cool.
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				<title>Glenn Pearce</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But is contacting and making offers to customers on this basis anti-competitive, or just good retail competition?</p></blockquote><p>In the outbound call centre business I think this is know as "Retention". There will be whole department at Mercury devoted to just this.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>While we're about interacting with our corporate overlords, I forwarded Graeme Edgeler's observations about his new Zinwell Freeview DVR to Freeview, and have finally just received this back.</p><p>I suspect they were waiting till they had a happier story to tell &mdash; which they have, via an over-the-air software update?</p>
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				<title>Martin Roberts</title>
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						I have always felt that "green" electricity has limited meaning until sufficient people take it up to outstrip NZ's existing low-emissions generation.  I live in hope that by signing up we encourage anybody deciding what type of generation to build next.  That said, our household cheerfully banked a zero in?
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						<p>I signed up for Powerpoint. had heard about it a few weeks ago and it sounded like a great idea. Thanks for facilitating the process. :-)  </p><p>Here was me thinking the NZ Herald has been editorialising for months to talk up the housing market in order to pump up real?</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<p>We just left Genesis and nobody called, nobody showed up, nothing. No tears, no goodbyes, we just got a final reading. I feel a little offended now to be honest.</p><p>Years ago when Transalta was going under I recall this letter we received, pre-empting (or possibly post-empting) our switch, in?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I have always felt that "green" electricity has limited meaning until sufficient people take it up to outstrip NZ's existing low-emissions generation.</p></blockquote><p>Which is why it's big business in Australia where 75 per cent, or thereabouts, of electricity generation is by way of coal.</p>
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				<title>Jan Farr</title>
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						Thanks for the tip about Rockstar Energy Drinks.  I will advise my three Facebook Friends &ndash; who with a bit of luck may have more friends than I have.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Kyle and Paul. Thanks for the feedback.</p><p>I was talking last week to Steve Adams from MFNZ/Ffunnell, who's working on a proposal with a certain company where they put up the CEO and/or several expert staff to be questioned by our readers.</p><p>They were a little nervous about putting up?</p>
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						Also: I think Powershop did themselves quite a lot of good with the geek/blogger scene when they pitched in on the 92A blackout. That was clever, but not without risk for them.
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But the motivation is that there must be something better than more useless banner ads</p></blockquote><p>My humble view is that so long as we must have corporate overlords (which, clearly, we do), it would be nice to be able to talk to them every once in a while instead of?</p>
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				<title>JoJo</title>
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						<blockquote><p>We just left Genesis and nobody called, nobody showed up, nothing. No tears, no goodbyes, we just got a final reading. I feel a little offended now to be honest.</p></blockquote><p>Be grateful, my friend. We switched because Genesis couldn't send us an accurate (or timely) bill, and after 13 phone?</p>
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				<title>Alastair Jamieson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So, how do I, as an existing Mercury customer, get this $50 credit? They'll just credit my (and everyone elses) account? Yeah Right!<br />Phone them up and tell them I'm thinking about switching?</p></blockquote><p>If you phone them up, they'll  put you on hold for about 5 minutes to talk with?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:41:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Paul</p><p>you wrote</p><blockquote><p>What I'd like to see is an electricity scheme that includes the cost of pushing those electrons across Cook Straight</p></blockquote><p>And as a Jaffa I just wanted to say "bite me".</p><p>But you are being serious. So it's a serious answer. If as you suggest you encourage?</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						Bart: doesn't just have to be industries &ndash; people too otherwise Auckland becomes an ever increasing black hole and the rest of the country empties out &ndash; Kyle's link showing spot prices implies that if you can play in the market with the big boys you can get power here?
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>You say having the rest of the country empty &ndash; like it's a bad thing?</p><p>Having most of NZ empty is one of the best things about NZ. I can drive out of Auckland and go to place that aren't buried under people and their stuff. Seriously we don't want?</p>
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				<title>johnno</title>
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						Presumably someone form the Granny reads Public Address, because Drinnan's online piece now refers to "Hard News" rather than "Hard Copy".
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				<title>Mark Harris</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Presumably someone form the Granny reads Public Address, because Drinnan's online piece now refers to "Hard News" rather than "Hard Copy".</p></blockquote><p>Most factual it's been all day</p>
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				<title>Mark Harris</title>
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						<p>[OT] but of interest to some here:</p><p><strong><a href="http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/04/prweb2333904.htm" target="_blank">Autism Science Foundation Launches Operations; New Advocacy Group Will Focus on Non-vaccine-related Autism Research</a></strong></p><blockquote><p>The Autism Science Foundation, a new nonprofit organization dedicated to supporting and funding autism research, launched its operations today, debuting its web site (www.autismsciencefoundation.org) and kicking off its "First?</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Heather W.</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hey, that's almost me!</p></blockquote><p>It's okay Michael Savidge, the other Michael Savage was born Michael <em>Alan</em>  Weiner.</p><p>Aardvark is not a supporter of Powershop &ndash; his version is that the green option is not green production but is instead 'plant a tree'.</p><p>On a more positive note the Detroit Free?</p>
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						<p>Mark,</p><p>When there are groups like <a href="http://www.generationrescue.org " target="_blank"> Generation Rescue</a> that say they have research that vaccines increase Autism rates there is certainly more science required.</p>
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						Personally, I'd tend to take the other side of any argument that had Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey as its proponents.
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						<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/04/fire_marshall_bill_discusses_vaccines.php" target="_blank">http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/04/fire_marshall_bill_discusses_vaccines.php</a>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>When there are groups like Generation Rescue that say they have research that vaccines increase Autism rates there is certainly more science required.</p></blockquote><p>Sorry, but there simply isn't good evidence to that effect, and IMHO, the likes of Generation Rescue are not helping anyone.</p><p>Indeed, in sluicing money into yet?</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Personally, I'd tend to take the other side of any argument that had Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey as its proponents.</p></blockquote><p>That's too bad, I heard them taking strong issue with robbery's ideas on copyright once. </p><p>(That was a chilling link, by the way. I wish I hadn't clicked on?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>That's too bad, I heard them taking strong issue with robbery's ideas on copyright once.</p></blockquote><p>Ohoho! I'd need a cite for that, Gio! ;-)  (besides, I said "tend")</p><p>Let's see, airhead celebs vs. scientists, hmmm...</p>
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						<blockquote><p>(That was a chilling link, by the way. I wish I hadn't clicked on "Let's Go Shopping").</p></blockquote><p>And I get the feeling that <strong>that's</strong> what it's all about.</p>
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				<title>Kracklite</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Indeed, in sluicing money into yet more vaccine research, they're actually hurting people with autism and their families.</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>Let's see, airhead celebs vs. scientists, hmmm...</p></blockquote><p>Well, if you're at the 'high functioning' end of the spectrum, its damned good fun &ndash; the only problem is that it makes six to?</p>
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				<title>Alan Macdougall</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Alan Macdougall ran an interesting discussion of Powershop on his blog a wee while ago.</p></blockquote><p>Thanks for the nod, Giovanni.</p><p>And for the record, I still haven't shifted to Powershop.  :-)</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Indeed, in sluicing money into yet more vaccine research, they're actually hurting people with autism and their families.</p></blockquote><p>Couldn't agree more. It's about biopower and biopolitics. Spending money on vaccine or even genetic research takes resources away from the more important but less prestigious work on ensuring people with autism?</p>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<p>On a recent episode of Newswipe, Dr Ben Goldacre gave a brutal smackdown to the MMR/austism media bullshit:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFAJb6g8uj8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFAJb6g8uj8</a></p>
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						<blockquote><p>Oddly enough, the Powershop reporting I thought did go too far was the Campbell Live story on Monday night, which was presented as a report but came across as a promotional video.</p></blockquote><p>That's been done before. Paul Holmes, about 5 yrs ago, featured a promotional video for a mystery shopper?</p>
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				<title>Peter Ashby</title>
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						Why do so many of you think that offsetting is a really good idea? The whole offsetting industry is an absolute mess, see New Scientist's reporting on the issue. The companies selling offsetting for plane flights for eg can't even agree  on a standard price for the same flight. There?
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Why do so many of you think that offsetting is a really good idea?... There is no alternative to properly renewable energy. Offsetting is simply a salve for Western consciences so we can continue to use profligate amounts of on renewable energy and not feel bad about it.</p></blockquote><p>I think?</p>
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				<title>Kerry Weston</title>
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						<blockquote><p>For one thing, it fosters this ridicolous idea that the change we need can happen from the bottom up, as a consumer movement. It can't and it won't. Politicians and corporations matter a lot more than the sum of the citizens.</p></blockquote><p>Quite. And this particular point in time when the?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:16:32 +1200</pubDate>
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						A dumb question perhaps &ndash; what does NACT stand for?
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				<title>Bruce Thorpe</title>
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						<p>I want to say something about the age demographic topic raised on the Media 7 clip you linked from your column.</p><p>I am over 70, and recognise it is much harder to sell stuff to an older person, especially one still managing their own affairs.  </p><p>Generally we have been around?</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote><p>A dumb question perhaps &ndash; what does NACT stand for?</p></blockquote><p>Dumb answer poss but I think it is National/Act party.(I should read this first eh?)<br />Nice to read your input Bruce.(Now I will start at the beginning :)</p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p>Giovanni</p><blockquote><p>It's not as if shouting "everyone completely change the way we live at once" is going to work, or is any less conscience-warping. For one thing, it fosters this ridicolous idea that the change we need can happen from the bottom up, as a consumer movement. It can't and?</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:21:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Without your enthusiasm I probably would not have become such a coffee elitist, and I certainly look to public address to keep me up to cultural date.</p></blockquote><p>Thanks to you, too Bruce. That was an interesting post.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:41:48 +1200</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>Why do so many of you think that offsetting is a really good idea? The whole offsetting industry is an absolute mess, see New Scientist's reporting on the issue.</p></blockquote><p>Because a ton of carbon is a ton of carbon is a ton of carbon.  And from the atmosphere's point of?</p>
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						<p>...which is an angry and cynical way of saying:</p><p>As a consumer, you have no real power over whether your electricity is generated renewably or not, whether there is good public transport or not, whether companies have to pay the full cost of the environmental damage they are causing (or?</p>
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						<blockquote>The whole offsetting industry is an absolute mess, see New Scientist's reporting on the issue.</blockquote>Bit off topic but I found this intriguing.Wonder what <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10568596" target="_blank">this man</a> did ?
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:46:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>There is no alternative to properly renewable energy. Offsetting is simply a salve for Western consciences so we can continue to use profligate amounts of on renewable energy and not feel bad about it.</p></blockquote><p>Thanks for the tip on offsetting Peter, I'll look for the article. It does seems to?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:43:41 +1200</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>The upshot: buying is not enough. "Ethical consumerism" is not enough. You need to fucking <strong>vote</strong>.</p></blockquote><p>Hear, hear.  And vote thinking of your grandchildren, your friends, and the parts of this planet you especially enjoy and want to know will still be there for them. </p><p>Better still, get more active?</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Bit off topic but I found this intriguing.Wonder what this man did ?</p></blockquote><p>The end of the story, reproduced below, makes me wonder if the Herald journalist was fired in turn while he was still working on it:</p><blockquote><p>In one of those cases, he said he gained clearance from Niwa's?</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Sure, and we're lucky enough in New Zealand to have MMP and the Greens</quote.</p><p>Gio, I have respect for the Greens also, but it'd be a little unfair not to mention Labour have been strong on Kyoto and related initiatives too.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>but it'd be a little unfair not to mention Labour have been strong on Kyoto and related initiatives too.</p></blockquote><p>Sure, but Kyoto is a palliative at best. The changes we need are radical and require a radical rethinking of the notions of development and growth, as well as of human?</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote>The end of the story, reproduced below, makes me wonder if the Herald journalist was fired in turn while he was still working on it</blockquote>I thought the word Eskimo had been omitted.  :)
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						<blockquote><p>A dumb question perhaps &ndash; what does NACT stand for?</p><p>Dumb answer poss but I think it is National/Act party.(I should read this first eh?)</p></blockquote><p>Though I prefer the term 'Mactional'.</p>
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						Though I reckon that overstates the  influence of the "M".
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						<blockquote>Though I prefer the term 'Mactional'.</blockquote> My head keeps calling it The National Muf Act.
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						<p>Completely off topic, but unintentional hilarity from Hamilton V8 promoter (and nice man) Dean Calvert in response to <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/2361279/Promo-girl-ejected-for-removing-knickers" target="_blank">allegations</a> that a corporate model surrendered her knickers during his event:</p><blockquote><p>We had a big debrief at a very high level and nothing was ever raised</p></blockquote><p>Heh. Story also says attention-starved Lisa?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:57:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p>A well, apropos of next-to-nothing, then:</p><p>There was a young lady of Tottenham<br />With no manners, or else she'd forgotten 'em<br />At tea at the vicars<br />She tore off her knickers<br />Because, she explained, she felt hot in 'em</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:44:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Mark Harris</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I catch most of my news from the 10" screen of my ASUS which is much admired by my age group.Two of us have had them for a few months and two of my friends are planning to buy them.</p></blockquote><p>Welcome to the EEEPC team, Bruce! They are magic little?</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Thanks Robyn for that Ben Goldacre Youtube clip. I can use that, if I work out how to reference it.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:49:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>One of the best things about the current stripping of Auckland's democratic voice has been the gathering resistance to it.</p></blockquote><p>Oh, yes... Am really enjoying the local community rag that is now so terribly concerned about "democracy" &mdash; just not enough to bother covering local body politics in depth, which?</p>
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						Nothing like impending loss of voice to focus folks on what that actually means to them. Be great to have good media input about that, but unsurprised if not.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:57:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						I liked what Andi said. I didn't think Drinnian said anything particularly interesting at all, apart from adding a little spice to beef up visibility. The thing I don't quite understand is; Why Che? Uncle Sam makes a lot of sense as a symbol of uber capitalism and resource exploitation,?
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						<p>sorry, here's that link</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/468619" target="_blank">http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/468619</a></p>
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						<blockquote>They are magic little machines. </blockquote> They are.
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						<blockquote>Sure, but Kyoto is a palliative at best. The changes we need are radical and require a radical rethinking of the notions of development and growth, as well as of human and environmental capital. From that broader perspective the difference between Labour and National is negligible. (And I'm a Labour?</blockquote>
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						<blockquote>Sure, and we're lucky enough in New Zealand to have MMP and the Greens, but in most countries who you vote won't make any material difference. In most western democracies, and a great deal of developing countries, there is nobody on the left or the right prepared to forego short?</blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>Why Che?</p></blockquote><p>Synonymous with "revolution"?</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Most European countries (France may be an exception) use proportional representation in one form or another. And most have Green parties which are growing in strength.</p></blockquote><p>And in all those countries, with the possible exceptions of Nordic states that have always had a much greater interest in sustainability, the two?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Synonymous with "revolution"?</p></blockquote><p>One day a spy amongst the rebel army was discovered. It was one of the peasants who had voluntarily joined up. The traitor was unmasked and condemned to death, but nobody was prepared to carry out the execution. Che volunteered himself and wrote about it in his?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>You do seem to overlook the unassailable truth that politicians and political parties are merely cogs in the system, they don't offer solutions, they're not trained to provide solutions and they really if ever solve anything.</p></blockquote><p>That's (also) because a system has been created that doesn't incentivise politicians to meaningfully?</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						Correction: <a href="http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/akld-students-show-swine-flu-symptoms-2675117" target="_blank">we are</a> doomed.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:39:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<p>You Zinged me there Giovanni. Aggressive global activism has its place within the system. However in the case of energy consumption I think progressive consumer behaviour is the answer and will not undermine the system. If we look at a source for domestic solar panels in NZ;</p><p><a href="http://www.ablesolar.co.nz/" target="_blank">http://www.ablesolar.co.nz/</a>   </p><p>one the?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:40:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>giovanni &ndash; ARRRGH!<br />Time to pull up the lagoon drawbridge, arm the shotgun towers, eye all visiters *really* suspiciously and &ndash; where the phuque did I put that Tamiflu???</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:50:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>ScottY</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Heh. Story also says attention-starved Lisa Lewis was turfed out for breaching the ambush marketing parts of the event's sponsorship deals. Expecting some very clever attempts from others at the Rugby World Cup.</p></blockquote><p>They will have to be clever because the Government has passed <a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2007/0035/latest/DLM411987.html" target="_blank">sweeping legislation</a> to make most common?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:58:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						Broadband and internet brings us <a href="http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/4678" target="_blank">this</a>...
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p>IF ONLY...<br />I just cut and pasted this 'cause it cant be said enough. En masse we have placed emphasis in all the wrong places. We pay lipservice to ideals that should be our functioning reality not pie in the sky speech fodder for politicians.<br />Thanks Chris</p><blockquote><p>Now imagine that?</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>They will have to be clever</p></blockquote><p>Agreed. Very clever.</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p>Gio said:</p><blockquote><p>Sure, but Kyoto is a palliative at best. The changes we need are radical and require a radical rethinking of the notions of development and growth, as well as of human and environmental capital. From that broader perspective the difference between Labour and National is negligible. (And I'm?</p></blockquote>
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