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  • Sacha, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    don't get me started on what you have to do so people in wheelchairs can hear and understand proper.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    I've heard that lip reading can be easier in some cases if people speak more slowly. Loud, not so much.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Raymond A Francis,

    I am just surprised that a media savvy person, who is well aware of spin would believe is that is the truth over the reality of voting patterns

    I don't know if "spin" is fair - which carries a connotation of being deliberately misleading. In the end, it's something more basic about our "if it bleeds, it leads" media culture - or perhaps even a moe basic insight into how we frame stories. Conflict - especially one with a clear, simple narrative line that can be expressed in images - is going to lead the six o'clock television news. And, as often as not, they're perfectly legitimate stories to report but they're not the whole picture by any measure. Love it or hate it, I guess "here's someone who's basically reasonably satisfied with the Government response" just isn't going to make an editor's news-sense tingle.

    But when you 'talk about 'media framing' you do need to think about what's outside that frame - and why. As I rather snarkily observed in my initial post (and redacted because it read as offensively flippant), you can come away with a rather distorted - and utterly terrifying - picture of life in South Auckland if all your data points come from The Herald and One News.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Sacha,

    don’t get me started on what you have to do so people in wheelchairs can hear and understand proper.

    I have a friend in a wheelchair who said he’s tempted to have a sign made up: MY SPINE IS DAMAGED NOT MY BRAIN. WHAT’S YOUR EXCUSE?

    That’s harsh, but I can understand how a very smart, epically capable man with an intense bullshit allergy has very little time for able-ist condescension, however well-intentioned … Just talk to him like a quote unquote "normal" person, and if he has any problem understanding you he'll say so. Not rocket science. :)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    This Granny piece does suggest where I thought we were headed with my comments yesturday with regards SOE’s that Key Inc is commandeering for the good of his people.

    Peters is first horse to bolt outta the box
    Maori interest expressed as they go around the first corner and…
    Mr smile and wave coming up yer rear with
    Relaxed nothing to worry about here in the home straight. ;)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    I have a friend in a wheelchair who said he’s tempted to have a sign made up: MY SPINE IS DAMAGED NOT MY BRAIN. WHAT’S YOUR EXCUSE?

    Not so harsh if you remember the book, and film, My Left Foot from high school English study.

    As I rather snarkily observed in my initial post (and redacted because it read as offensively flippant), you can come away with a rather distorted – and utterly terrifying – picture of life in South Auckland if all your data points come from The Herald and One News.

    One of the more sensible things Malcolm X said in his lifetime was, “if you’re not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the oppressed and loving the people doing the oppressing.”

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5446 posts Report Reply

  • Christopher Dempsey,

    I think there are a *lot* of people in NZ that kind of osmose their beliefs based on what they hear in the media, and ever since the baying for tax cuts began, that’s been National (and I also think that the american right wing has had an effect here as well) cracking on about personal responsibility.

    Framing. There's plenty of examples of how this works.

    My antidote: TAXES PAY FOR CIVILISATION. Repeat everywhere.

    I’ve heard that lip reading can be easier in some cases if people speak more slowly. Loud, not so much.

    I am deaf (to use your term, hard of hearing to use mine), wear two HA's (hearing aids) most of the time except for on the street cause it's bloody noisy (how on earth do people cope?).

    SPEAKING LOUDER doesn't help me cause the sounds become simply a wall of noise where individual letters merge into each other. Using different phrasing or words helps enormously. The words I may have trouble hearing is NOT because I can't hear the word (I hear it thank you very much), but the combination of consonants and vowel sounds in that word is 'unreadable' to me. Using different words (and hence different combination of consonants and vowel sounds) helps.

    Seeing people's lips does help me, but it's not critical - I just have to concentrate more if I can't see the lips.

    Parnell / Tamaki-Auckland… • Since Sep 2008 • 659 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Christopher Dempsey,

    My antidote: TAXES PAY FOR CIVILISATION. Repeat everywhere.

    Images of Somalia, Bolivia, Peru and Joburg might help. On the other hand, a select few of the target audience might believe that taxes are useless because civilisation is beyond repair. Probably best to let such people rot in their fallout bunkers.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5446 posts Report Reply

  • Christopher Dempsey,

    Actually, images of suburban and urban American would help more.

    Parnell / Tamaki-Auckland… • Since Sep 2008 • 659 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Christopher Dempsey,

    I am deaf (to use your term, hard of hearing to use mine)

    Yes, I've stuck up for the latter in some contexts

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Christopher Dempsey,

    TAXES PAY FOR CIVILISATION

    you may be over-rating people's understanding of what 'civilisation' means after several decades of neoliberalism

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    My bad ,wrong link, fixed now .

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Christopher Dempsey,

    Seeing people's lips does help me, but it's not critical

    Whereas for other deaf/hard of hearing people I've met, it is. Prevailing discourses ignore the wide range of experience, needs and strengths disabled people bring. Such an opportunity for everyone when it's tackled.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    And because you can’t teach an old dog new tricks, while Winston is concern-trolling Maori (and the Maori Party) out of one face he’s shrieking “dirty Maaari separatists" with the other.

    Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose, I guess.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler, in reply to Christopher Dempsey,

    My antidote: TAXES PAY FOR CIVILISATION. Repeat everywhere.

    They also pay for the destruction of civilisation.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3215 posts Report Reply

  • Stewart, in reply to Christopher Dempsey,

    the combination of consonants and vowel sounds in that word is 'unreadable' to me. Using different words (and hence different combination of consonants and vowel sounds) helps.

    Hi Chris, this is interesting... is there a pattern to the types of words or syllables that are the most difficult for you to interpret; or can it depend on the speed, accent, etc that define the actual speech-pattern?
    And is this type of hearing affliction relatively common?

    (Apologies if this sounds trite or patronising - certainly not meant in such spirit.)

    Te Ika A Maui - Whakatane… • Since Oct 2008 • 577 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Craig, did you know you've used the phrase "concern troll" 271 times on Public Address?

    I don't even understand what it means.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    I think Labour has to transform now. The union movement doesn’t justify its constitutional status in the party at the moment.

    My union sent me a pamphlet from the CTU telling me how to vote - Labour/Greens, MMP.

    Few things are more likely to make me vote some other way. Why the hell they didn't present a pamphlet with "here are relevant policies from all the major parties to do with employment and other major areas"? I don't mind being led to vote a particular way, I heartily object to being told how I should vote.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Sacha,

    I’ve heard that lip reading can be easier in some cases if people speak more slowly.

    I find myself concentrating more on enunciation because I figure the usual kiwi mumble is probably harder to lip read, also trying to position myself so the hearing impaired person in the discussion can see my lips.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4461 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock, in reply to Graeme Edgeler,

    They also pay for the destruction of civilisation.

    You might have to expand on that one a bit, Graeme. In this case I'm not willing to assume I know what you're driving at.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    According to Wikipaedia a concern troll is:

    … a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose actual point of view is opposed to the one that the user claims to hold. The concern troll posts in Web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group’s actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed “concerns”.

    So, yeah, pardon me if I find Winston’s pontificating at the Maori Party (who, unlike NZ First, actually have an electoral mandate from Maori voters) rather troll-ish, when he’s doing his dog-whistle “road to separatism” shtick to lily white Grey Power meetings out of the other side of his mouth.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Rich Lock,

    You might have to expand on that one a bit, Graeme. In this case I'm not willing to assume I know what you're driving at.

    Me neither. If this was the USA, I'd presume he meant money spent on the military. But this country spends the least it can possibly get away with on its military.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE dEAF. Even my wonderful wifey. As one who has coached disabled shooters I will vouch that they will go to exraordinary lengths to win a gold medal. Just like an abled athlete. Perfectly normal behaviour. So yes, treat as you expect everybody should be treated.

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1590 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler, in reply to Rich Lock,

    You might have to expand on that one a bit, Graeme. In this case I’m not willing to assume I know what you’re driving at.

    I mostly meant the US. But there are many other instances of governments around the world using taxes to the detriment of civilisation.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3215 posts Report Reply

  • TracyMac, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Yes, to further expand on concern-trolling with a more blatant example I'm very familiar with:

    "But you butch lesbians look like men! Aren't you worried about losing respect from other [read, "normal"] people due to your grooming?"

    Thanks anyway, I don't look like a man, I look like butch-of-centre woman. My professional competence, and "business look" tend to get me professional respect. I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks of how I look outside the office. The people I'm personally interested in appreciate how I look.

    And this example can be extrapolated to any number of communities/subcommunities who don't fit some arbitrary "norm". Concern trolls aren't worried about anyone else, just in being wankers and/or enforcing their norms on others.

    Canberra, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 701 posts Report Reply

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