I assume the producers consciously chose a format where Bomber rants for a couple of minutes and then the "balanced" panel of Farrar, Mathew Hooton and Michelle Boag tut quietly and discuss just how great?

That'll be why?

the panel is?

The Prime Minister is hugely popular

But why? Whyyyyyyyy? Sob. I have never felt so disconnected from my fellow citizens as I do when I ponder this issue.

ETA It must be said that at the best of times I hate the fucking Panel with a burning passion. So much?

"RNZ hadn't been advised that he'd be airing such strong personal criticism of the prime?

Not in these parts. But word on the street in Naenae probably doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of becoming part of the mainstream discourse.

Key?s charisma factor

I would understand this reasoning if I thought Key had any charisma. At all. He's not quick-witted, his jokes are awful, and he doesn't seem to know what he's talking about half the time. It's like Dubya, who I always thought was a douchey asshole no matter?

My impression is that Key genuinely thinks that the best part of the PM's job is cutting ribbons, awarding prizes, and?

I think Bomber is the left's answer to Limbaugh and Beck – emotive outpourings?

It's the age-old "What does she see in that dickhead? Can't she just dump him already?" conundrum, writ large.

I think you've got that turned around 180. But I would say that.

I'm sane, I tell you! It's all of you out there that should be in here, not me!

It was so clearly hyperbolic and ironic that I cannot see how it could.?

Not that I'm all that in touch with the popular sentiment on this one, but I suspect that at the moment, this is part of the charm. In a "he?

I've more of a problem with Jim Mora, trying so hard to appear neutral he tends to trivialise every topic so as to barely hide his own right-leaning convictions.

The Panel's good when?

Sure. If you think fair and balanced involves taking views from the slightly-left-of-centre through to Michael Lhaws.

Radio Live is a commercial radio station ? that?s all you need to know.

And yes, you can make money airing rightwing propaganda, if it's packaged right. You can?

We see McCully on the World Cup, Brownlee on occasion over the Christchurch rebuild, Joyce on Transport and English. Where are the rest? We never?

E.g. I reckon the one single aim of the occupy movement should?

Erm, seriously?

excuses the shemozzle around the lifetime ban

Jobsworths climbing up on that dunghill they have created to give their life meaning,

Don?t overcomplicate things, or you weaken them.

Yes well, when we thought that various cultural anecdotes were different aspects of the same creatorish impulses, life was so simple. Now?

The people in prisons are real people. They have as much right and responsibility to be free as anyone else. We should open up the prisons and deal with them like adults, not lock?

And quite right. People are complex. Isn't it much more interesting, let alone much more fun, that way?

So what do you think should be done about it? What incentives/disincentives are there? Consider them the way they consider a recalcitrant beneficiary.

My 2c.

And if that's annoying, why's it not showing up in the polls? Though it's not the solution, does he have a weekly post-Cabinet session?

ETA ... and that's a pity

1 Identify your options.

2 Assess the consequences of those options and sort them into 'good' and 'bad' according to relevant criteria.

3 Choose the best option from the 'good' options for that situation, or at least the one that does the least harm.

Whether you're solving?

On Bomber, as someone who doesn't buy into his hatred of John Key, I commonly find his rants (in a pejorative sense) on RNZ unnecessarily over the top and unbalanced. I presume he is making the most of the?

'freedom' is a handy derail for any topic.
look, a cat..

I don't know. Problem: Pollies not fronting to question. One thing that must not be talked about: Possible ways of solving that problem.

Huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoN6XfyQsr4

Yes, except with political problems the people who get harmed will protest the decision and blame whoever makes it.

An as I indicated, I think?

If you want to argue about an appropriate approach towards rehabilitation/societal integration, that's fine. But personally I'm comfortable with loose cannon who are demonstably violent to the point of being able to secure a conviction and an?

You mean, politicians might get upset at journos making them answer some hard questions for a change?

Diddums.

Because they are thick and must be selfish if they are consistent with ignoring emails, requests for interviews, all from their employers, us! They have no idea?

Ooh, ooh, where? I love cats.

Probably shouldn't have taken the tasty bait. But it smelled so good....

I respectfully disagree. I think that problem?

Which is, imho, deathly boring, can't RNZ come up with a format that's more interesting or is that Focus on Politics?

What?

Prison theme parks. Just watch this space.

The nation state is an aberration. Let's just ignore it. It hasn't been around long enough. It could go in any direction, most leading to?

They?ve been doing that for some time now. I might be inclined to say that Key presents (that?s counsellor-speak) psychopathic behaviour,* but as Babiak and Hare point out in Snakes in Suits, corporate environments?

Not particularly scientific, but TVTropes is your best friend here. Or should that be best frenemy?

The world we make?

The crowd answered: 'This is the endgame!'

Someone is Free

Yeah, I am, and, yeah, we are off-topic. But I'll quickly say you'll never get everyone thinking the same way, nor do I think you should try to. The?

That's the sort of phrase that sounds like it should be an erotic act..

in the royal sense

seriously calling [Key] a psychopath

Possible but unproven

a sociopath

Undoubtedly

..and an alcoholic

No evidence for that, as yet. Many senior politicians wind up that way, though.

Personally, I just reckon he's become seriously jumpy about his personal security – a combination of believing the self-serving fairy (or monster)?

This one might be a little less clear cut:

What does a $43 million loan to Mediaworks buy you on Radio Live? Apparently an hour of John?

Bah. Olympus Mons – now there's a mountain.

And our loyal opposition?

?

?

No doubt a focus group will suggest what to say soonish.

It?s a pretty fundamental principle of civil rights, specifically the right to free speech?

Naturally, no coverage elsewhere, so what was that about?

What was different, however, was the way he said what he said. His previous pot-shots at Key, which have often?

And T? Standard?!

There?s a word for that: solipsism.

Sermons to fora?

Don't get our host started on that one..

Well, if that turns out to be the case then I'll be disappointed. At least RNZ management should have had the guts to make a decision themselves for their own reasons.

I do recall that Hooten was?

Um, you?re right ? but I?d also note that Lila Harre wasn?t disciplined when, during the Pledgecardgate crazy, she accused the Auditor-General (who happens?

Yeah, I find him (as others have pointed out) quite shrill. Don?t value him much a commentator. But the actions of RNZ in this instance are ridiculous.

It might also?

I heard Bomber going off and found it quite refreshing. He?

And which is a risky defense to run in a defamation suit. I've thought about that quite a lot because (believe it or not) I did self-censor myself quite a bit when doing?

That's plain bloody silly. Please correct?

Indeed it was. Thanks for the tip, it's here

Seems pretty safe to me. It's not defamation if it's true. If Key did rave like a meth-head, then it's true. You'd only need to produce one meth-head and get them to rave like Key. Which is why?

Ye gods, it?s nothing of the sort. Have you not heard of negotiation? How people actually get things done?

???

And?

Yelling, "It's your fault, it's your fault" while making a throat slashing gesture at Phil Goff (as a man with mental health issues dangled from Parliaments balcony) is the sort of ravings one expects from a meth addict on a bender, not the political leader?

Pissing off the real man in charge (as that issue would) has to be worse than irking the frontpuppet.

Yes , no, or maybe.

My own view is that Bradbury was his usual one eyed bombastic ranting self.

He never accused or alleged that the PM did anything that could be deemed to be defamatory.

6 weeks out from an election, budget rationing, Richard?

Give me a few billion dollars and I'll find out for you. (Mars is a cheaper and better bet, though.)

Hey, Sacha, as Russell might say woah there. I?m going to commit PA blasphemy here and suggest Joyce is as entitled to be pissed off at those allegations as our host?

ETA: It should go without saying that if Joyce – or any other politician – thinks Radio New?

To paraphrase Danielle earlier:

I have some sort of mental disconnect, obviously. I've never had the faintest appreciation for the Pixies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvi4iA3PnKE

+1

Let's form a club. Or at least a self-defence league. I'll watch your back if you watch mine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTQP6tE9tYA&feature=related

I assume so.

They made the (IMO) totally correct observation that it?s actually pretty fraking cool that citizens can walk into their own legislature and watch their employees at?

Key's conduct lately has been very poor. Not that that seems to have the slightest impact on his popularity, but it's distasteful.

This society won't.
Not a snowball's chance in hell.
(To use an old saying)

Quite ? I believe that?s what is known in sporting terms as an unforced error. Not that, for a moment, I don?t think S&P doth protest a little too much that they never, ever have views on opposition?

Oh now I've heard all the crap I'm prepared to put up with for today.
Sir, I challenge you to a dual!. But hey,. I guess one can allow for extremely bad taste from the challenged ;)

I'm not making that accusation. I agree that the implication would cause the Minister annoyance. That's all I was saying.

It is grimly amusing that we find ourselves in thrall to the same?

More of them own businesses with PO Boxes?

But throwing offal around? That's the family funday that never gets old. :)

JK and Blinglish have spent the last 3 years telling the Country how important S&P are. How everything in this Country is only about the "money". How everyone in this Country should want as?

That is exactly the kind of thing I'm proposing. Except I want to come too. Photos don't really cut it.

And it's not either Mars or moons. Why not both??

David, even by the extremely liberal standards of discursiveness that pertain here, you're way off topic.

You're wrong – at least accordinging to comments from friends and colleagues who have worked in the parliamentary complex under both administrations. My understanding from them is that, with the exception of major?

Yeah, off-topic, but I think the?

Except to live among violent criminals when you empty those oppressive jails. You're welcome to your utopia; good luck negotiating democratic acceptance from everyone else.

[[http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10757592|"do we turn our backs when?

You want vigilante justice instead?? Lynchings? Throwing known violent criminals to the public could be a lot worse for them than prison. Just sayin.

ETA: I think there are a lot of people in prison who could be better rehabilitated out of it.?

Also, more generally, let's summarise some of the criticisms of Bomber's approach, and suggest ways he could modify that approach to increase his effectiveness.

It seems to me that certain?

Do you think that?s what they wanted to do with their lives when they were kids? How they want to spend their lives now? They?ve been pushed out to the margins. Had to choose the best of the options available?

I honestly don't believe violent crime is a matter of semantics.

you're giving postmodernism a bad name

Do we have a copy of that? Or is that this (from 3news.co.nz):

?Mr Bradbury?s invitation to take part in The Panel discussion segment was withdrawn because?

I do both. Would you like to borrow some? How about some Fugazi? Some Black Flag? Some Dead Kennedys? How about some Rancid? Misfits? Propaghandi?

Maybe we can listen to it while we discuss the role of?

And who won that war? And why?

While we listen to punk rock my friends and I make.

Augury, or just being screwed?
...when it seems throwing a bucket?

Thanks Stephen. Yes, that is what I'm talking about. Mark of Cain indeed.

Incidental historical fun fact: The Maltese are Semites. Christian Semites ever since the Roman Empire (which has never left us) pranged St Paul into the Maltese rocks, but Semites nonetheless. Mostly anyway. A hodgepodge.?

But you appear to be almost wilfully ignoring this:

The violence is a fact.

I suspect we could find much common ground in relation to society's approach to the roots of offending, support for it's citizens, and?

The super-structure of the show is critically holed. Mora provides space and encouragement for panelists to waffle on endlessly (by and large about things they?

I think our justice system and social services are?

good plan

Of course it's problematic! But it's a problem that?

Pardon?

In the 3 news item, I understood, their explanation to be that ratings agencies rate governments, not parties.

didn't someone here mention an email sent across all of radionz? or did i get that wrong, becuase now instead of well maybe this is a bit uncool, it's so very wrong.

And yes the panel is often filled with all kinds?

You may want to ask the women who've been put on the block and gang-raped in gang houses.?

On National Radio? Oh, I'll take that bet.

pimpin the book spin-off already :)

Our very own Scott Y turns up on there occasionally, too.

He was?

Well, except that as it's a philosophy thesis, some sentences might take several tweets...

Normally, the reason politicians would go on a show where they're going to be asked hard questions (apart from serving the electorate, lol) is because they know?

fuelled by an effective opposition to help make the arguments, yes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2S9rwyQkJE

Off-topic sure. Derail, really?

All I'm doing is putting forward my point of view and seeking a response. I don't think that's?

And, if I have my way, everyone will have to read it.

Muhahahaha.

Whoops, seem to?

If?

Compulsory philosophy of science FTW! :-)

Now there's a slogan.