It would also be interesting to know why the police chose to bring home a two-year investigation this particular week.

To be entirely cynical, I wonder if it is wholly coincidental that there's a budget due to be delivered in a couple of weeks. Jus' saying...

If they were selling clones etc as claimed, then yes they are in trouble, but I wonder how much the police can be trusted around this?

What it didn't do was stop people using cannabis.

It may have stopped this guy, for a couple of hours.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3630029/Detective-stunned-by-mans-P-confession

I'd be surprised if it were common.

I wouldn't. I can hardly imagine an environment more likely to lead staff to the idea of dealing on the side. The few times I've been in there, and talked in euphemisms about various things, the staff seem to only have played along?

Good to see a drugs approach consistent with actual harms.

Good to see a drugs approach consistent with actual harms.

As demonstrated nicely in this post from Danyl McLauchlan.

(Which I've already posted in the old drug thread, I know, but hopefully that'll be gone shortly...)

But it still strikes me as a massive waste of police resources – 2 years following this up undercover? don't they have better things to do ?

No worries. The cost goes into calculations for the Drug Harm Index. The more they spend, they more they can show they need?

Under the Proceeds of Crime Act, the police stand to reap quite a sum of money from the nationwide franchise.

I would have thought that any money taken under that act would go into the consolidated fund, same as traffic fines.

Under the Proceeds of Crime Act, the police stand to reap quite a sum of money from the nationwide franchise.

My reading of the act is that the proceeds go the the Official Assignee, not the police (but I could be wrong).

I suspect that the police motivation is that?

They'll still increase the drinking age to 20, because that's the only recommendation that looks good on paper

How does that look good on paper? One of the biggest problems with alcohol is that intoxicated people commit criminal acts. How will further criminalization of people who want to drink encourage?

No worries. The cost goes into calculations for the Drug Harm Index. The more they spend, they more they can show they need to spend it. Sweet.

And that "it" not only needs to be massively increased, but accompanied by even more draconian powers because (according to a nice gentleman?

Hey, but don't worry guys – the government looks set to almost completely ignore the recommendations of the Law Commission report on alcohol. According to JK, "there is literally [??] no appetite for is [sic, NZH] to increase excise taxes".

With Doug McKay, our brand new shiny Chief Executive for?

I wouldn't. I can hardly imagine an environment more likely to lead staff to the idea of dealing on the side.

But that's also the surest way of the boss losing his business and assets. Why cross the line when you can stay the right side and still turn a?

Sorry for sounding like a scratched CD here, but when I was at Uni everybody (inlcuding the cops) knew all the "student pubs" where the only ID you needed was a tight top and big tits.

You wouldn't be suggesting that the whole thing is just a pantomime Craig; )?

You wouldn't be suggesting that the whole thing is just a pantomime Craig; )

This might sound rather odd coming from a recovering (and sober) alcoholic whose drugs of choice are caffeine and processed sugar, but I'd just like a healthy dose of fact-based "grow the fuck up" injected into?

I'd just like a healthy dose of fact-based "grow the fuck up"

You won't find much fact based "grow the fuck up" in either the general population nor the Government's approach to drugs in New Zealand in the foreseeable future. It's one of the least sober nations in Asia. Values?

?A can of beer or an RTD can be bought for one or two dollars in many retail outlets. This is less than we pay for bottled water,? Sir Geoffrey said.

I think that says more about the stupidity of the bottled water industry than it does about the alcohol?

and processed sugar,

O' c'mon Craig, live a little, try unprocessed, just once, you know you'll like it, just a little to start, and have you seen the cocoa, makes a lovely drink, you'll leave the sugar behind, wont need it.... ;)

I think that says more about the stupidity of the bottled water industry than it does about the alcohol industry.

Are people buying it? If it sells, it sells. Isn't it again simply a necessary response to illegal drug use.

Man, I stay off the brown — that shit's too real. :)

Just because I can't handle my piss

the whole problem in a nutshell Craig. Recall the first time someone issued that challenge to you, and your subsequent actions in response. multiply by 4million. That's a loaded verb if ever I heard one.

You want 'raw'. Or jaggery. Man, been a while since I had me some jaggery.

But that's also the surest way of the boss losing his business and assets. Why cross the line when you can stay the right side and still turn a dollar?

It's a very tricky path they opted to walk even owning that kind of business. When the majority of your?

It seems the wrong way to spend that money and untold?

Under the Proceeds of Crime Act, the police stand to reap quite a sum of money from the nationwide franchise.

My reading of the act is that the proceeds go the the Official Assignee, not the police (but I could be wrong).

And don't forget this is offset by a?

Any chance (Nick) of a link between that delayed-fingerprint-burglary you're complaining about and someone's drug habit?

That's several long bows you're drawing there.

For those of you saying that Cannabis is a victimless crime... please prove this.

What is usually meant by this statement is that the harm is only to the user. It is not possible to prove that no-one other than the user is ever harmed, without being really specific about?

For those of you saying that Cannabis is a victimless crime... please prove this.

I assume you mean the recreational consumption of cannabis. There is no direct victim, apart from the plant. Nobody gets hurt if you have a session.

Using cannabis is not risk-free, and some people certainly should?

You want 'raw'. Or jaggery. Man,

I'm into raw myself, but I know a palm reader,she's real good, maybe I could hook you up? nudge, nudge ;;)

For those of you saying that Cannabis is a victimless crime... please prove this

Can you prove that eating a sandwich is a victimless crime?

Can you prove that eating a sandwich is a victimless crime?

Eating a sandwich isn't a crime.

(haha, Mr smartypants!)

Can you prove that eating a sandwich is a victimless crime

Yup. It's not a crime, for starters. Whether it has victims is irrelevant.

Unless it's a hash sandwich. Then the victims become highly relevant.

[Edit]Gah! Beaten to it by Kyle.

Can you prove that eating a sandwich is a victimless crime?

Yes: eating a sandwich isn't a crime.

(haha, Mr smartypants!)

Umm, if it's not a crime, it can't be a victimless crime. Own goal :-)

eating a sandwich isn't a crime.

What if it's a marijuana sandwich?

For those of you saying that Cannabis is a victimless crime... please prove this. Any chance (Nick) of a link between that delayed-fingerprint-burglary you're complaining about and someone's drug habit?

I think there's likely a clearer and more direct connection between, say, the assault on your family member and someone?

What if it's a Marijuana sandwich?

A bud jet home brand one?

Umm, if it's not a crime, it can't be a victimless crime. Own goal :-)

I think that was my point.

The deputy police commissioner was quite explicit about this on checkpoint last night. To paraphrase, he said that this legislation (passed around two years ago) together with it's lowered evidence thresholds now made this sort of operation worthwhile for the police.

Yet, as Slarty pointed out, it will result in?

Yet, as Slarty pointed out, it will result in a net loss to the public coffers. So it's not terribly worthwhile for the taxpayer.

True. But since when were the plod ever interested in anything beyond their own narrow operational imperatives?

True. But since when were the plod ever interested in anything beyond their own narrow operational imperatives?

Which is actually fair enough. It's not their job to make the law. I wouldn't want it to be their job or there would be a lot more laws.

Switched on Gardener sells everything you need to grow and enjoy lettuce and other salad vegetables at home, including this $895 "Easytosser Salad Pro-Manual Bowl Trimmer"

ha, it's all so carefully non-specific until they start discussing resin-bearing salad :D

this $895 "Easytosser Salad Pro-Manual Bowl Trimmer": http://bit.ly/d0Xdbt

Man, that looks like the BEST web content writing job around...

(but may be a little more difficult now SOG is no longer)

No, it's really, really easy to grow outdoors in the NZ climate. If it were legalized, SOG would be out of business immediately.

Any chance (Nick) of a link between that delayed-fingerprint-burglary you're complaining about and someone's drug habit?

Drugs are expensive enough to motivate burglary precisely because of prohibition. Drinkers sometimes do burgle or rob to fund their alcohol habits, but it's not very common, because booze is legal and therefore not?

Man, that looks like the BEST web content writing job around...

LOL totally. It took me ages to work out the real purpose of that machine. I think it might actually be dual purpose. I'd have to toss quite a few salads before all the possibilities were explored.

In many cases I know of, the smokers are certainly not victims. In a few, they are (parasitic drug dealers). I'm not refer (haha) ing to the end user.

However... even for those cases where the smoker is not a victim, it seems probable – in?

Don't mis understand me... I'm not against it, just find the hypocrisy bugs the hell out of me. Toke away, but don't pretend there are no indirect consequences or victims. Plenty of better arguments for legalisation than that old hippie refrain.

Actually, I think the concerns you've been expressing have?

Man, that looks like the BEST web content writing job around...

Almost as much fun as writing the the copy for the Innovations catalogue's next container load of "personal massage wands"

Who knew that they sold fireworks too though?

For ages, bro. They were big on bFM with that. And that's the only thing I went went into SOG for. True!

Are the police going to now arrest everybody who ever attended the Daktory as well?

I think that's a very?

Actually, I think the concerns you've been expressing have almost all been arguments for legislation. If you want traceability and regulation, you can't get there without legalisation.

Yep. Fully agree, and have no issue at all with the idea of legalisation... just that one call bugs the hell out of?

Also agree on the "clearer... than most", though 'clearer' /= clear.

Is is it better to buy your poison from a nice hippie in the Coromandel — or a booze multinational that sells alcopops to kids?

There are no international supply lines, for one thing.

Welllll maybe in seeds. But that's basically unstoppable. You only need one seed, and you can make a LOT of clones.

Is is it better to buy your poison from a nice hippie in the Coromandel — or a booze multinational that sells alcopops to kids?

This could go on for hours...but two wrongs don't make a right.

(to answer your question – the hippie, every time)

Under the PM's "Methamphetamine plan", proceeds from such busts will go to offset enforcement costs and drug treatment – but I think via the consolidated fund (some smoke and?

Yep Ben I understand that it is much easier and now more profitable for the police to go after a business?

And, as well now, the logs containing all the IP addresses we all just used laughing at the salad spinner

A review of 20 years of research into drug enforcement has found that attempts to snuff out the trade in illegal substances have the opposite effect to that intended, by creating a power vacuum?

Might pay to use a proxy on the SOG site nowadays though, although to be fair I think the majority of posters from here laughing at the salad trimmer probly?

Life skills.

Like we need another legal way for ordinary NZ'ers to trash their bodies and minds and become a?

Harm reduction is the?

Like we need another legal way for ordinary NZ'ers to trash their bodies and minds and become a constant drain on the taxpayer system...

Gee..... measured by that yardstick Work could be made illegal.
woohoo!

After work you could, oh read a good book, write a good book, go for a run, cycle, aerobics class, enjoy a hobby, have fun with the family, chat to people online. Any number of things that are more life affirming than mind altering substances (alcohol included).

The?

Any number of things that are more life affirming than mind altering substances (alcohol included)

Luckily there's not one definition of life affirming.

As Russell points out, it's J-Day this Saturday, May 1st.

But, as well this week we have the Law Commission releasing its final report on alcohol and making recommendations that aren't going to be too politically popular.

In?

I am not averse to the idea of home distillation, one of the attractions of moving back sometime would be the chance to try my hand at making whisky (if I can source some peat smoked malt), but the potential for harm is high unless you are careful.

Sounds crazy?

I'm not a grower, I smoke about 4 joints a month, but this is making me bloody ANGRY !!!!!

I don't usually attend J-Day (honest!!!) but this is one that I will be going to because I believe it's the only chance we'll get to publicly protest about what the?

After work you could, oh read a good book, write a good book, go for a run, cycle, aerobics class, enjoy a hobby, have fun with the family, chat to people online. Any number of things that are more life affirming than mind altering substances (alcohol included).

You really are?

The answer to the ennui of life is not soma.

Were Whisky prohibited in Scotland I sense the shoe would be on the other foot. Suggestion, a holiday in Islamabad.

More to the point, this is a cliché. Making the connection between a person's Soma and and their ennui, is?

The answer to the ennui of life is not soma.

as

The answer to the emu of life is not soma.

Which in some ways made more sense.

After work you could, oh read a good book, write a good book, go for a run, cycle, aerobics class, enjoy a hobby, have fun with the family, chat to people online. Any number of things that are more life affirming than mind altering substances (alcohol included).

All those things?

You really are Satan, aren't you?

Peter is so inspirational: I was seriously considering being stoned for a Plunket nurse visit after reading his post. ;)

I was seriously considering being stoned for a Plunket nurse visit after reading his post. ;)

The comedian on the TV said last night after reading in the Bible that those who work on the Sabbath need stoning, he pointed out he loved being stoned on the Sabbath.

After work you could, oh read a good book, write a good book, go for a run, cycle, aerobics class, enjoy a hobby, have fun with the family, chat to people online. Any number of things that are more life affirming than mind altering substances (alcohol included).

Perhaps I could,?

She's just not worth slitting one's wrists over, if the supply tightens a tiny bit.

Well, the 250 arrested citizens have a different perspective on it: i.e., it's also about people's lives and freedoms, not simply the tightness of supply.

And while supplying cannabis seedlings is obviously illegal.... some of the other things I assumed were ok. (ie. they've been accused of not something not illegal?)

Can any of our legalistic types explain where the border?

After work you could, oh read a good book, write a good book, go for a run, cycle, aerobics class, enjoy a hobby, have fun with the family, chat to people online. Any number of things that are more life affirming than mind altering substances (alcohol included).

The answer to?

Is the "crime" in knowing to what use it will be put?

Excellent Questions Fletcher.

I was quite interested to read Jo Kerr's wikipedia link to Cannabis by country and then cross check with adult cannabis use by country, finding very little correlation between legality and use. Also

[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_history_of_cannabis_in_the_United_States|Washington. 24?

write a good book,

Easier said than done. Islander, any advice on where to start?

One of my hobbies is the cultivation of perfectly legal tropical plants. I'm not too hardcore, but back in the 90s I used to hang around the "scene" (it wasn't big, but it was there). It was perfectly normal to go around to a mate's place?

http://www.drugtext.org/library/books/recreationaldrugs/hops.htm

This bail condition is a clear violation of the Bill of Rights provision against unreasonable search. Those on bail can be subjected to certain constraints, but those constraints cannot?

If a car salesman sells a car to someone who then uses it in a bank robbery... no one arrests the car salesman do they?

It cant possibly be illegal to sell gardening equipment if you are ignorant of the use it will be put to.
... confused

I think?

Keith Locke has a post about the SOG bail conditions up on frogblog – Bail conditions digging up too much info

I'm becoming increasingly alarmed by the police's behaviour this week. And their extralegal surveillance demand just makes it worse.

then slowly extinguishing that light over the course of a half-hour tour of the differences between cultivars of Heliamphora clones from Brazil.

Sounds like a bit of fun. There's absolutely no question that the world (and most poignantly the west) is in the midst of?

Well, the 250 arrested citizens have a different perspective on it: i.e., it's also about people's lives and freedoms, not simply the tightness of supply.

Surely. But take into account that they were breaking some serious laws and profiting by that, when you consider their lives and freedoms.

Surely. But take into account that they were breaking some serious laws and profiting by that, when you consider their lives and freedoms.

Some of them — commercial growers and dealers — certainly were. But it seems that SOG employees have been arrested wholesale. I'm troubled by that.

These writers may have advice.

Some of them — commercial growers and dealers — certainly were. But it seems that SOG employees have been arrested wholesale. I'm troubled by that.

So am I — and I'd be polishing up my CV right about now if I was working at a liquor store.

I'm troubled by that.

We'll all be watching it closely. If there's no evidence of them committing crimes in a large number of cases, it will be very concerning. If, on the other hand, most of the ones who are arrested are linked directly to some illegal sale of, say,?

Surely. But take into account that they were breaking some serious laws and profiting by that, when you consider their lives and freedoms.

I've bought copies of High Times before , without having to register with the police or anticipate that my purchase makes me liable to search and arrest.?

We'll all be watching it closely. If there's no evidence of them committing crimes in a large number of cases, it will be very concerning.

As Steve noted above, the definition of "committing a crime" got changed last September. From the [Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009

**Meaning of unlawfully benefited?

So if you sold a growlight to a grower, and you earned a wage doing it ...
...
It really is looking like the police want to see if they can bust someone for working in a fucking shop.

Lets hope the courts don't see it that way.

Co-worker points out that significant criminal activity keeps cops in a job, for a start.

Booya!

So if you sold a growlight to a grower, and you earned a wage doing it ...
The cops have been quite open this week about the fact that the law change has made many of the charges possible. It really is looking like the police want to see if?

It really is looking like the police want to see if they can bust someone for working in a fucking shop.

I 've no doubt more arrests were made than necessary , but I suspect the main focus wasn't the shop assistants ...
"More than 100 commercial cannabis growing operations?

I expect more arrests were made than necessary , but I suspect the main focus wasn't the shop assistants ...

It is the tendency when widespread raids take place to arrest all in one swoop, and then as things become clearer drop some charges or downgrade them and focus on?

"More than 100 commercial cannabis growing operations linked to the businesses were found and dismantled during the operation.

A further 19 were discovered yesterday, and police also seized methamphetamine, LSD, ecstasy and firearms."

I may be reading too much into the coverage but it seems like this stuff about "meth,?

Detective Inspector Stu Alsopp-Smith, of the Auckland metro crime operations service, said stores could remain open as police would not "impact on a legitimate business".

But under bail conditions, anyone purchasing from those stores had to produce identification and strict?

Co-worker points out that significant criminal activity keeps cops in a job, for a start.

Parable of the Broken Window, anybody? And funnily enough, we're installing CCTVs in our cities instead of sending our boys in blue on the beat.

I've bought copies of High Times before..

Um, it's a free publication isn't it?

But I can sell you a subscription to Google if you like? $20 a year?

I wonder what was happening two years ago that prompted the start of the undercover work? (This is not a rhetorical question).

Two years ago, or more would be about
when that big growing operation run by
the Fashion knitwear designer
– whose label name eludes me –
was uncovered?

- whose label name eludes me –

Called Insidious Fix. Bit like the Misuse of Drugs Act.
I reckon, we may hear in the Budget, of the success, thus need for more money into crime prevention. CCTV on every street?

Tennants Rights might be worth a look.

Of course jingoism takes over. Zero tollerance has long been the?

I was not preaching, only responding to a post complaining about not being able to relax after a hard day at work. Using drugs, legal and otherwise to deal with that is a route to dependancy at least. I am no one to deny someone their pleasures?

directly or indirectly, derived a benefit from significant criminal activity

Not to mention defence lawyers

Um, it's a free publication isn't it?

No
http://www.hempstore.co.nz/product_info.php?products_id=67

Whats your point ?

They think at least two, perhaps three different police, male and?

I was not preaching, only responding to a post complaining about not being able to relax after a hard day at work.

But that wasn't what Steve said. He said this:

What are we supposed to do. Are we to just get up in the morning and go off to?

Using drugs, legal and otherwise to deal with that is a route to dependancy at least.

Could be a dependency that works! Using exercise to deal with stress could be a route to dependency...

Dimethyl-tryptamine (DMT) exists in the brain of every living creature with a central nervous system, it is a banned substance.
Therefore, we have prohibited all mammals, all reptiles, all birds, all fish, and quite a number of plants on this planet.?

I'm in favour of a broken windows law. Not a euphamism but a law that states that land lords of poor housing and businesses will be prosecuted if they don't act.

I wasn't referring to Rudy Giuliani's Broken Windows policy, but rather Frederick Bastiat's Broken Window parable.

Speaking of which, I think I had my first endorphin high today. It's quite a mild effect, but it lasted ages, about 4 hours. Does one develop tolerance? Any other bike users know? Do I need to be careful with this shit?

yeah , i'm sure one of the grumpiest?

yeah , i'm sure one of the grumpiest flatmates i ever had was overdosing on biking

I'll watch out for the grumps then. If I'm feeling grumpy, it's time to either cut back, or blaze those legs up again.

Does one develop tolerance? Any other bike users know? Do I need to be careful with this shit?

You'll know you've got an endorphin problem on the one day when you *don't* ride in to work, and you find yourself on the point of falling asleep at half past ten?

an endorphin problem

OK, now I'm back to wanting to shoot heroin in my eyeball.

Surely. But take into account that they were breaking some serious laws

I'm sorry ... what? Did you say 'serious laws'?

Growing a plant?

Selling baby plants?

Telling other people how to grow a plant well?

Selling dried pieces of a plant?

C'mon man, the laws being broken weren't serious.?

The Government has cancelled pumping $430 million into superannuation, tax credits and benefits that would have, in effect, been direct compensation for higher tobacco taxes.
Herald

How can they say that would be direct compensation for higher?

10km? Goodness I don't feel anything until at least 20km, and I thought I was super soft. Tolerance sure creeps up fast. I just want to maintain.

I get the endorphin high much in the way I used to get it when I was road running in my teens --?

end up buying a road bike and the habit becomes really destructive.

It's only destructive if you start getting into carbon fibre, man.

10km? Goodness I don't feel anything until at least 20km, and I thought I was super soft.

20k? Just wait until your first brevet.

Anyone else planning?

The timing of the arrests appears to be very deliberate. This is the week that submissions close on the Misuse of Drugs Act review, and of the annual law reform protest. This looks way too political for my liking.

It comes across to me as somewhat Wag-the-Doggish. Distract from the?

Some of the arguments here make WhaleOil's logic look good.

You own arguments certainly don't make your own logic look good.
If using cannabis made users steal, then there would be 585,000 thieves created each year, so that's a load of bollocks.
And if clandestine growers cutting farmers fences is?

]]> Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:27:24 +1200 http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-dude-what-just-happened/?p=163776#post163776 http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-dude-what-just-happened/?p=163776#post163776 I read of an interesting study last year suggesting the effects on over 60 s brains is almost opposite to that on teens – its helps prevent some disorders .
(and also read that gambling has similar benefits – for the oldies)

]]> Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:28:43 +1200 http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-dude-what-just-happened/?p=163777#post163777 http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-dude-what-just-happened/?p=163777#post163777 from
http://www.nber.org/papers/w10046 :

"In the case of violent crime, we find a statistically significant association with arrests but not reported crime, suggesting that marijuana use may just influence the likelihood of getting caught committing these crimes. "

wonder why :)

]]> Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:34:52 +1200 http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-dude-what-just-happened/?p=163782#post163782 http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-dude-what-just-happened/?p=163782#post163782 @Rob Stowell
I don't have bipolar disorder, I'm 50ish, I might smoke a joint with some friends on a monthly basis if that. I don't see what prevention or treatment of a genetic disorder has to do with my right to do so.
Opiates and cannabinoids are rather unique compounds?

]]> Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:59:56 +1200 http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-dude-what-just-happened/?p=163791#post163791 http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-dude-what-just-happened/?p=163791#post163791

@Rob Stowell
I don't have bipolar disorder, I'm 50ish, I might smoke a joint with some friends on a monthly basis if that. I don't see what prevention or treatment of a genetic disorder has to do with my right to do so.

I don't think Rob was saying that.?

I haven't seen or heard anyone from NORML who organise the OU 4.20s come out and state cannabis will cure bipolar disorder. Rather the risk of taking ANY psychoactive substance while mentally unstable?

But the research he cited is real. There's a genetic risk of cannabis-related psychosis for a minority (15%) of the population, and an age-related risk for anyone under 18, with the risk increasing significantly with earlier onset of use.

If its a risk for anyone under 18 , then it'll?

And that smoking weed at 16 is not good at all considering the brain is still developing etc

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~news/releases/2006/02/06.html

That's one of my biggest frustrations about prohibition. A sensible legalisation (say available in licensed premises) would make it much harder for the people health research tells us shouldn't be smoking drugs (youth) to do so, because the black market would largely disappear.

the existence of licensed premises doesn't seem?

If its a risk for anyone under 18 , then it'll be a risk for a lot of slower developers over 18.

Thats not really a terribly scientific characterisation of the evidence ...

You missed my point a little bit man, human brain development is pretty much over at 18 in terms of biology, COMPARED to how it is cracking along between 0 and 16.(I'd have to see a few more studies before I believe human brain development?

Thats not really a terribly scientific characterisation of the evidence ...

it wasn't meant to be , but i still think its probably right, be interested to hear any evidence to the contrary?

the existence of licensed premises doesn't seem to have made it much harder for them to drink tho (but obviously prohibition is still not the best solution)

I'm think that there's a limit to comparisons with alcohol.

Here's the thing about cannabis: people stop using it.

Indeed, most people who?

yeah its definitely way easier to stop

A big problem with drug policy is the fact that lawmakers feel the need to "do something about the problem" without properly assessing what the problem actually is. Instead, it is driven as if from a moral standpoint, "drugs are bad mmmkay?"

That's the problem with drug courts that lean?

t wasn't meant to be , but i still think its probably right, be interested to hear any evidence to the contrary?

The development in question is neurological, and 18 is only a rough benchmark. You could certainly say that 20 would be safer. But the real risk is for?

Where do they score? (those pot heads)
The Internet could try harder.
Location
Private house 47%
?Tinny? house 45%
Agreed public
location 19%
Public?

yeah its definitely way easier to stop

Generally with a smile on your face also.
I have just learnt that three 19 year olds I know were walking along Richmond Road last weekend quite late of the night with a few drinks under their belt.One peeled off to go home,?

20k? Just wait until your first brevet.

Sounds like fun. Do I get 10 days worth of endorphin high? Over 10 days or all at once?

That's been the conclusion of the Auckland Uni School of Medicine drug use surveys over the years.?

Alcohol is not a drug, it is a solvent.

Peanuts and DIY are the real killers.
Ban them?

How many of you actually write a letter to the editor of your local paper saying those intelligent and perceptive things??

Why is it a cult?, because one of its core beliefs is that any drug use ( ie smoking a joint or taking an ecstasy pill ) is drug abuse. And not only does the cult of prohibition call this?