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Hard News: Get yer avatars out

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  • Russell Brown,

    FYI.

    Welcome back!

    I got some work done!

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18964 posts Report Reply

  • Don Christie,

    Even if they feel hard done by, I hope the rights holders can accept that the people protesting have been motivated by principle, rather than personality.

    I never felt hard done by and I certainly accept the motivations you ascribe to the CFF.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1616 posts Report Reply

  • slarty,

    On another note...

    Thanks for the Blend. I didn't quite know what to expect, and found it fascinating. Only a shame we had to duck out in time for the ferry so perhaps missed out on discussion / CD. And where's my PVR ;-) ?

    So glad my significant other came along... they hear me rambling on about this stuff and switch off... I just needed to say "what he said" :)

    Since Nov 2006 • 290 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Thanks for the Blend. I didn't quite know what to expect, and found it fascinating

    Thanks. I thought it went really well, but despite my best efforts, we only have fairly ropey video coverage. We'll do better next time on that front.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18964 posts Report Reply

  • Sarah Wedde,

    Thank you for the interviews! Utterly baffling about the exporting to the web problems though. Maybe professional television people should invest in an ancient MacBook, a copy of iMovie, and a 10 year old.

    Also really enjoyed and was inspired by your talk at Webstock. And was astounded to see the ultra-productive Russell Brown is a two-fingered typist! Respect.

    Lower Hutt • Since Nov 2006 • 66 posts Report Reply

  • Jason Kemp,

    Russell,

    Sadly I missed the great Blend but I did manage to catch some of Andrew Dubber's comments on Kim Hills programme earlier in the day.

    I'm wondering if he / you anyone else at Great blend (Webstock and / Foo) managed to shed any more light rather than heat on the future path way for next generation copyright thinking.

    It has clearly been a very busy 2 weeks on the conference front.

    Understand that due to the sheer quantity of discussions at those conferences there might be a some backlog but if its at all possible it would be great to hear a bit more about some of the most positive copyright scenarios that may have been discussed.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 215 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Thank you for the interviews! Utterly baffling about the exporting to the web problems though. Maybe professional television people should invest in an ancient MacBook, a copy of iMovie, and a 10 year old.

    Well, yeah. If I hadn't been out of town, I'd have seen if I could get the raw DV files and exported them to MP4 myself. The unfitness of the Avid for non-traditional talks is bewildering.

    Also really enjoyed and was inspired by your talk at Webstock. And was astounded to see the ultra-productive Russell Brown is a two-fingered typist! Respect.

    Shhh!

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18964 posts Report Reply

  • Grant Stone,

    A big thank you to Russell and everyone else who made the blend happen. It was my first and I don't think my brain has quite recovered yet.

    Auckland • Since Dec 2006 • 30 posts Report Reply

  • Juha Saarinen,

    ... the rights owners stance on the draft code of conduct for ISPs was that they should be in the sole position to adjudicate their own claims, and that they should be make to pursue those claims without incurring any of the cost of the process, which should fall entirely on ISPs.

    To make it clear: Campbell Smith and RIANZ wanted (wants?) users to supply evidence that it either wasn't them or that there was no copyright infringement.

    The ISPs would then be required to adjudicate the technical merits of the accused person's challenge of the allegation, and rights holders would check on the copyright side of things.

    As for the costs, RIANZ doesn't want to pay ISPs for processing notices, saying it is already bearing the cost of detecting, collecting evidence and sending the lot to providers.

    Since Nov 2006 • 525 posts Report Reply

  • Julie Fairey,

    Phew, I'm relieved that we can get out of black, it was starting to be depressing.

    Orcland • Since Dec 2007 • 217 posts Report Reply

  • ScottY,

    The protest must have gained some traction, judging by the response of one particularly rabid media "commentator" (I hesitate to use the word - does it give him some kind of status?).

    Michael Laws was spitting and frothing at the mouth on his radio show this morning over the blogging community and the s92A protest.

    (no I don't normally listen to him - I was in the car and the radio was on... honest to God)

    He used the s92A debate to say some extraordinarily vicious things about bloggers generally (the usual never-wash, have-no-girlfriend stuff).

    According to Mr Laws bloggers should be addressing more important social issues, like world hunger and war.

    His message possibly lost some of its power, however, when straight afterwards he started taking calls on how nice it was to have your own vegetable garden.

    Needless to say I changed radio stations, only to find David Slack on 9 till Noon discussing the benefits of having your own vegetable garden...

    Yorke of The Atatu • Since Feb 2009 • 790 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant,

    Tumeke has a nice mosaic of the blackout here.

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1659 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant,

    He used the s92A debate to say some extraordinarily vicious things about bloggers generally (the usual never-wash, have-no-girlfriend stuff).

    Did he name any names, or just froth in general?

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1659 posts Report Reply

  • ScottY,

    Did he name any names, or just froth in general?

    No names, but if he had named someone there may have been work for defamation lawyers.

    Yorke of The Atatu • Since Feb 2009 • 790 posts Report Reply

  • ScottY,

    Although I did catch the rant half-way through

    Yorke of The Atatu • Since Feb 2009 • 790 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock,

    Thanks for the Blend

    Seconded.

    Russell, I was going to introduce myself, but since you were tired/busy/otherwise engaged, I just kind of nodded in passing. Next time.

    And while we're talking about the Blend, in the Q&A after the interview, someone asked what I thought was a rather odd question about the Chinese invading.

    If you're reading this, could you provide some insight into your reasoning and thought processes behind asking that question?

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Don Christie,

    I/S - he probably called them idiots. Was that the reference you were looking for?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1616 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Did he name any names, or just froth in general?

    Enough of your sarcasm, I/S. You should stop bloggnig about the flowers in the meadows and start tackling important social issues. Like Michael Laws, you know.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7386 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    remember we are all "rights holders" - this very comment I'm writing here was born imbued with my personal copyright - everything we write, every photo we take, every image we make, song we sing contains our own personal copyright - the internet is full of it (in more ways than one of course).

    But the internet works because we're mostly willing to not follow up people who make copies of our works (by visiting PA for example) and demand payment.

    Part of the problem I think is that not only are the users of copyright not being represented in this process but neither are the small rights holders, you and me, anyone who sends email, our kids on bebo and myspace, etc etc.

    RIANZ and APRA have deep pockets from their corporate masters, and are able to push a particular message - but probably not the view that most people who publish copyrighted material on the internet (ie all of us) have.

    Reading the TCF proposal one thing that's interesting is that it creates two classes of rights holders, essentially them and us - the 'recognised rights holders' (the rich guys) who will pay less every time they report an infringement, and us who will have to pay more (I think I heard someone say $20 - still means anyone can probably knock someone they don't like off the internet for ~$60).

    Now we're not having a say in this process - I think partly because everyone knows that if they let just anyone in it will all turn to farce really really fast: "I want you to cut Google off - they copied my robots.txt file 3 times"

    As I said above the internet is all about copying, it's how it works - we're all rights holders - there's nothing special about music or movies, they're all bits - and bits owned by people who can afford lawyers shouldn't be treated any different by those owned by people who can't.

    There is a real big-picture problem that needs to be addressed - the economics of the movie and music businesses given the changing technologies - we all want to bounce along to great beats or watch wonderful movies - the problem is that the technology doesn't replace the artists, it replaces the middle men - who are what RIANZ et al represent - the future of music is, I think, going make them redundant - I worry more about movies which genuinely do cost large amounts of money to make - but fortunately are initially 'performed' rather than sold as recordings

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2174 posts Report Reply

  • Mark Harris,

    @ Paul C

    Well said

    Waikanae • Since Jul 2008 • 1343 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg,

    APRA have deep pockets from their corporate masters

    APRA don't have any corporate masters just to be clear. AMCOS on the other hand does. But APRA in theory represents creators....ie songwriters.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3208 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    Simon - I'm sure you're right - they don't represent me though, nor do they really a lot of musicians in the small - I'm sure they haven't asked all the musicians they claim to represent about this issue

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2174 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    Reading the TCF proposal one thing that's interesting is that it creates two classes of rights holders, essentially them and us - the 'recognised rights holders' (the rich guys) who will pay less every time they report an infringement, and us who will have to pay more...

    As far as the two-tier approach to rights holders goes: if the approach to music were extended to ordinary folk, Stuff and the NZ Herald would be offline or scrabbling to generate their own content for their cute online funnies/photos columns.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2968 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg,

    Simon - I'm sure you're right - they don't represent me though, nor do they really a lot of musicians in the small - I'm sure they haven't asked all the musicians they claim to represent about this issue

    I agree, which is why in my blog post last week I said that APRA should know better. They are uncomfortably in breach of their moral obligations to their members here.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3208 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    actually I just had a horrible thought - when I said "I want you to cut Google off - they copied my robots.txt file 3 times" I was of course being facetious - but what if I really did make that complaint - would they shut off all the cable to the US?

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2174 posts Report Reply

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