That and the gossip pages of the Sunday papers, which breathlessly gave Nikki Kaye vast amounts of free PR whilst snidely putting down the sitting MP.

Considering some of the rather ugly vitriol being thrown at Nikki Kaye not a million miles from here, perhaps that's one moral high horse that should be left in the stable. If you don't mind.

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Judith Tizard is the only MP I have really known to more than say hello to ... She is one of the kindest people I know.

Russell
Thank you for this, as someone who has also worked and (on occasion) socialised with Judith, I could not agree with you more.?

Considering some of the rather ugly vitriol being thrown at Nikki Kaye not a million miles from here, perhaps that's one moral high horse that should be left in the stable. If you don't mind.

Um, where Craig? Could you perhaps once just let a point rest instead of reaching?

Considering some of the rather ugly vitriol being thrown at Nikki Kaye not a million miles from here, perhaps that's one moral high horse that should be left in the stable. If you don't mind.

Bloody, hell, Craig, did you actually mention a high horse? Because from where I'm sitting,?

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If you can't say something nice...

In the matter at hand, your suggestion that this here board has the same duty to impartiality as the only major newspaper in the country takes some sort of cake, that I'll promise to have delivered to you as soon as you dismount. Jeez.

I like cake. Just make sure?

Another round in his usual one trick pony of claiming moral equivalence where none exists.

Um, where Craig?

How about the thread where Kaye is described as "vacuous 28 year old"

"Look! See! The PA fellow travellers of the lickspittle Liarbour scum lesbo-dykocracy called Nikki?

But she wasn't doing well this last term as a local MP. Part of that comes from the bind of being in Government and therefore not being able to campaign the same way?

I?

Good old Craig, reliably ignoring the point whilst bitching about how unfair the left is.

Tom: I thought I made it perfectly clear that I regard your point — The eeeevil Herald is responsible for everything you don't like — is horse shit. (OK, no more equine metaphors, analogies or?

And I guess thats what the Auckland Central voters thought, right or?

Judith Tizard the human being: Long life, good health and happiness to her, and may she be a success in whatever she does.

Glenn, a favourite tactic of the kiwiblog sewer is?

Judith spoke at my Civil Union last year (she's a friend of my wife). After the usual speeches, the MC (another maligned female Labour candidate, but that's another story) opened?

But the comments around here in relation to her have seemed to be a bit of a case of sore winners. Good on you Russell for pointing out the other side.

Judith spoke at my Civil Union last year (she's a friend of my wife).

There's a sentence that contradicts, surely?

Tom & Craig: get a room. ("If you can't say something nice ..." – it's the title of the freaking post...)

Yeah, quite. That was the intent.

Re Tizard/Kaye – I'm not sure that the voting pattern was specifically about anti-Tizard (seriously, how many people really follow every actions of their sitting MP so as to be able to form a view on their performance?). The?

In?

If that qualifies as bile Russell then OK, guilty as charged.

No, it's criticism of a minister's approach to policy, and not in the vein of vitriol I was referring to. I do still think Judith Tizard's networking abilities are underrated. But I did say I wasn't making a political?

In terms of whether she should go back into the House if she does get in on specials, my personal opinion is that she should probably decline.

I haven't asked her, but I suspect she will do just that.

Kyle, civil unions aren't just for teh gays you know...

Um, yeah – they're also for us heterosexual liberal atheists, too.

I'd just like to say in Pete Hodgson's defence (seeing as it is Say Something Nice Day) that my colleague has regularly let him loose on a room full of our students, to talk to them about the health system. He did this as Minister of Health, and then last?

Kyle, civil unions aren't just for teh gays you know...

And I?m picking that?s a point made in JT?s political MC speech?

The tides of change (both "to National" and in general), and a changing electorate that I suspect would have, on average, dragged it to be wealthier and younger just favoured Kaye...

I think the key to Auckland Central is actually the vote that didn't turn out.

Judith's total was about?

But I did say I wasn't making a political argument, so ...

So, uh, right, have a nice day Judith.

I'd just like to say in Pete Hodgson's defence (seeing as it is Say Something Nice Day) that my colleague has regularly let him loose on a room full of our students, to talk to them about the health system.

It was just a joke, but fair enough. I think?

The Green candidate, Denise Roche, was reportedly in tears on Saturday night about the 3695 electorate votes she received when she was only campaigning for the party vote.

Well, that's bizarre. Is there any truth to what I've been reading in the past few days that Tizard claimed that Roche?

I think the key to Auckland Central is actually the vote that didn't turn out.

I guess that boils down to "was the lower turnout proportionally representative, or was it a specific block that didn't show up". Hard to tell really...

Certainly agree that a fresher Labour face currently has?

Tom & Craig: get a room. ("If you can't say something nice ..." – it's the title of the freaking post...)

Nah... I'm happy to move on, because Tom always does a really splendid job of making my point for me as it takes so little to bring out his nasty?

ou can't legally refer to your CUPcake as your "wife" or "husband"

Whilst I'm trying to keep the petrol at bay... Good lord, really? That's... awful.

Nah... I'm happy to move on, because Tom always does a really splendid job of making my point for me as it takes so little to bring out his nasty side.

Way to move on, Craig!

The Green candidate, Denise Roche, was reportedly in tears on Saturday night about the 3695 electorate votes she received when she was only campaigning for the party vote.

It's certainly one of the risks when standing in a non-safe seat. We were lucky in the Maori seats, our candidate votes?

Politics is cruel sometimes, and sometimes we make it crueller with the way we treat people. Thanks for the timely reminder Russell.

I've been guilty of forgetting the humanity of the people who work in the political process at times. There are certainly a few mad or bad people in?

I think Kyle was getting at the way you can't legally refer to your CUPcake as your "wife" or "husband", because that's only for civil marriage. Which definitely isn't for teh gayz and lezzers.

I take the view that this is one of those things that will simply be brought?

But more than this, I agree with your assessment that Judith was an important contributor to Labour because of her enviable networking skills. I was briefly on the campaign trail with Helen (in Rimutaka) last?

In terms of whether she should go back into the House if she does get in on specials, my personal opinion is that she should probably decline.

I haven't asked her, but I suspect she will do just that.

Well, if her health is really as bad as RB said,?

Does anyone think we should have STV for constituencies

Oh please dear God no!

I take the view that this is one of those things that will simply be brought about by custom. Nearly everyone already refers to civil union ceremonies as "weddings" anyway.

Russell, stop it! Do you give matches to pyromaniacs for fun, too? You bad bugger. :)

Does anyone think we should have STV for constituencies (as well as MMP, not instead of)?

I'd be quite happy to have STV instead of MMP, which was always my proportional representation choice. If you really want to talk about "if you can't say anything nice...", I always loved the?

As for Ohariu: I was told that the Labour candidate, Charles Chauvel was making ground, but I didn't realise how?

you can't legally refer to your CUPcake as your "wife" or "husband", because that's only for civil marriage.

Really? Legally? Bugger, I'm a hard core repeat offender — and all because I was too lazy to come up with some new vocabulary. (The people I really pity are the guests?

a fresh Labour candidate would have a rather good chance in the electorate in 2011.

But you shouldn't assume the party is going to select any such thing. I still believe the National Party members who launched Brian Connell on his inglorious (and mercifully brief) political career should have to?

Really? Legally? Bugger, I'm a hard core repeat offender — and all because I was too lazy to come up with some new vocabulary.

Yeah, I would have racked up some fines too. All because what the English language has to offer me is the inadequate word "partner" (no, we're?

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There was one thing i liked about that site...

...and that was the click-through banner ad to this.

Lovin' it. A new addition to my christmas list.

I take the view that this is one of those things that will simply be brought about by custom. Nearly everyone already refers to civil union ceremonies as "weddings" anyway.

Yeah. Not yet having been part of the Civil Union Ceremony, I found it strange the use of the word?

All because what the English language has to offer me is the inadequate word "partner" (no, we're not in business together), where the Italian has the beautiful compagno/compagna, which happens to be the same word for political comrade.

I needed you in 2005! Spent 6 months around Italy with my?

I'd like to encourage everyone to steal the words 'marriage', 'weddings',?

I wonder if a better tradition might be finding a more inclusive word.

I'd rather have genuinely inclusive legislation, and let the semantics take care of themselves. But I did say I was going leave this alone, and should be out in the garden anyway...

(and largely because by then we were in the US and 'partner' just confused everyone)

I spent a week in the US banging on about "my partner" (I'm rather fond of her, it seems) and I only discovered on the last day that it made everybody assume that I was?

I think they ought to have let you get away with it (a foreigner to boot... c'mon!), but also serviceable are morosa, ragazza, donna.

Morosa is a new one to me – ragazza and donna didn't seem to give her any special status (but I freely admit that was more?

I'd like to encourage everyone to steal the words 'marriage', 'weddings', etc even 'wife' and 'husband' back from the fundies – apply them to civil unions with wild abandon until no one can tell the difference

I'm with Russell. Friends of mind who had a civil union called it a?

Friends of mind who had a civil union called it a "wedding", some of the time, and read the bridal magazines for planning purposes

Sorry, but this is what I don?t get.

I?d have thought the main purpose of a heterosexual civil union was to avoid the clichéd, tacky multi-million?

But you shouldn't assume the party is going to select any such thing.

The chance of an average time-server being put up in Auckland Central are pretty low, I'd have thought — and still less a criitter like Brian Connell.

Labour has a number of very capable young people who've?

I?d have thought the main purpose of a heterosexual civil union was to avoid the clichéd, tacky multi-million dollar industry as preached by those ghastly magazines.

It's also an institution with a fairly specific, and at the very least non-inclusive, history. My partner (ach) and I gor civilly united on?

All because what the English language has to offer me is the inadequate word "partner" (no, we're not in business together)

For a long time, I referred to my partner as my lover. For some reason, that seriously weirds people out.

but for me the point is always that Peg?

. . . the humdrum candidates they've offered up . . .

There used to to be a nice Australian phrase for that sort of thing – "Sending an empty bottle to Canberra".

I'd rather have genuinely inclusive legislation, and let the semantics take care of themselves. But I did say I was going leave this alone, and should be out in the garden anyway...

I'd presume that most same-sex couples wouldn't call each other 'husband' and 'wife' if married so that wouldn't?

And I guess thats what the Auckland Central voters thought, right?

Labour has a number of very capable young people who've done their apprenticeship in unwinnable seats and would give everything as candidates in a seat like that.

Phil Twyford would be one possibility, but he may be the candidate for Mt Albert in three years' time.
But wonder if the?

For a long time, I referred to my partner as my lover. For some reason, that seriously weirds people out

I wore out my first wife.

So now I refer to my upgraded significant other as either Wife 2.0 or (much more commonly) Mistress.

Gets great responses. And is technically?

For a long time, I referred to my partner as my lover. For some reason, that seriously weirds people out.

I also hate the word "partner", as it makes the two of you sound like a law firm. And I also like the term "lover", since it makes no assumptions?

I have a picture of you walking away from the computer only to be mysteriously dragged back to just make a tiny point, honest!

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I strongly recommend it to anyone participating in a blog thread.

I'm told there are Blue Penguins nesting at the wharf at Matiatia on Waiheke, but have yet to see them. Will keep you posted :)

We had our neighbour's stereo confiscated before lunchtime today. Now they're working on losing the second one.

Sounds like the move is going great then :-)

main purpose of a heterosexual civil union was to avoid the clichéd, tacky multi-million dollar industry

It's easy to avoid the tacky wedding industry,?

In any case – which law precisely says you can't call someone your husband unless you're married?

There isn't one.

The law just won't refer to you as married, or husband or wife.

Let's assume there was a law which says that a husband or wife is entitled to control?

I can't believe no-one has responded to Ian's story, which is very funny and perfect for a sunny afternoon.

Paul, thanks for alerting me to my error.

I just read the story, I bet all kids wish to have done what Stuart did. Fantastic, thanks Ian.

"I?d have thought the main purpose of a heterosexual civil union was to avoid the clichéd, tacky multi-million dollar industry as preached by those ghastly magazines."

Actually, the friends with the bridal magazine were gay and male. And the party was great.

Those magazines suck you in a bit -?

The law just won't refer to you as married, or husband or wife.

Thanks Graeme – that's what I thought.

I imagine that we'll eventually see some slippage on that when it comes to interpreting wills and so forth, where the person describing their own relationship – e.g. "All to?

I?d have thought the main purpose of a heterosexual civil union was to avoid the clichéd, tacky multi-million dollar industry as preached by those ghastly magazines."

Actually, the friends with the bridal magazine were gay and male.

That makes more sense.

It's easy to avoid the tacky wedding industry, if?

In slightly more grim news, perhaps a personal experience of the credit crunch, I've just had a debt collection agent chasing me for the debts of someone else with whom I share a name...

In it he writes of his own wedding in Chicago, where:
Jennifer's friends....was a mail-order vicar who had paid fourteen cents for his religious qualifications. "I'd have to describe myself as agnostic rather than atheist," Rev Scott mused, "because of the Burt Reynolds?

I've just had a debt collection agent chasing me for the debts of someone else with whom I share a name...

James Green, I've found you at last! You'll be hearing from my lawyers.

And I also like the term "lover", since it makes no assumptions about gender, seriousness or exclusiveness, and also encapsulates what it's all about: loving.

The only trouble is that unless you are French or having an affair, it comes across as unbearably pretentious. Not a problem for me, but?

I had a workmate tell how she was embarrassed to tell her in-laws that she was pregnant because it (rather strongly) implied she had been having sex with their son.

I'd have thought the implication would have been worse if she hadn't been having sex with their son.

I'd have thought the implication would have been worse if she hadn't been having sex with their son.

Ha!
I'm pregnant...don't worry, it's his

Your claims to leave this alone, while still commenting intrigues me. I have a picture of you walking away from the computer only to be mysteriously dragged back to just make a tiny point, honest!

Kyle: My "claim" was that perhaps this could be one subject I'm passionately invested in?

James Green, I've found you at last! You'll be hearing from my lawyers.

There's got to be a reasonable chance that Hadyn's middle name is James, so it might be him you were after...

Your claims to leave this alone, while still commenting intrigues me. I have a picture of you walking away from the computer only to be mysteriously dragged back to just make a tiny point, honest!

And how is something of a mystery, because someone has the attention span of an?

There's got to be a reasonable chance that Hadyn's middle name is James, so it might be him you were after...

Do you think he's deliberately misspelling his name to flee a shady past? That's entirely plausible. He, and the whole population of Feilding.

I can't believe no-one has responded to Ian's story, which is very funny and perfect for a sunny afternoon.
I'm told there are Blue Penguins nesting at the wharf at Matiatia on Waiheke, but have yet to see them. Will keep you posted :)

Isn't it a goodie. While I?

There's got to be a reasonable chance that Hadyn's middle name is James, so it might be him you were after...

A 100% chance it turns out.

I can't believe no-one has responded to Ian's story, which is very funny and perfect for a sunny afternoon.

Personally I would die happy if I could find a way to have a family of otters living in my backyard.

So I've been disappointed by the sheer bile heaped on her before and after her relatively narrow loss in Auckland Central. You know the score: "minister of nothing", "lazy", "arrogant". The MP who would go to the opening of an envelope.

I can't help feel this is [[http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2008/11/10/tizard-dismisses-rogue-election-result/ | partly?

The rest of the time she was working very hard for New Zealand and her electorate.

And, unlike many politicians, she is a genuinely kind and generous person, who is also?

I'd just like to say in Pete Hodgson's defence ...

A little piece of Pete Hodgson will always live on in my heart because of this.

He, and the whole population of Feilding.

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Giovanni: "Feilding" is actually spelt correctly — the town was named after a Colonel William Feilding, who was one of the directors of the company that brought the?

Giovanni: "Feilding" is actually spelt correctly — the town was named after a Colonel William Feilding,

I know, I know... so is Hadyn. (Spelt correctly, not after Colonel Feilding I mean).

A 100% chance it turns out.

Bahahahaha. My a priori probability was about 10%. It is a pretty common first name, and also quite popular as a middle-name.

Anyway, sounds like you might be inline to get a call from Fiona at UDC asking about your late payments on a?

And, unlike many politicians, she is a genuinely kind and generous person, who is also very good company.

No wonder the tory boys hate her.

The issue is not whether the Tories like or not – they're prerfectly entitled to like their own candidate. The problem seems to be that?

Kyle, first catch your waitorete (there are variant spellings)...I once thought I saw one-

As in waitoreke? Please, I'm a sucker for a good cryptid story.

I know, I know...

I wouldn't be surprised — it's funny (and more than a little depressing) when people who've learned English as a second language take this native speaker to school. It is a wonderful mongrel of a language, but not the best-behaved. :)

Danyl:

I think the distinction?

While I can relate to the charm of having your own private Little Blue Buddy, those rather malevolent beady eyes give the impression that they'd bite like hell.

Who's seen The Wrong Trousers?

And if the person who stole my video of "The Wrong Trousers" brings it back, I'll stop putting pins into their image-

Who's seen The Wrong Trousers?

For a while all that my oldest son wanted for breakfast was "cracking toast".

She was supposed to be governing the country not playing Werewolf at Kiwi Foo camp.

part of governing the country is to be in touch with what is happening in your country, who your country is.
One couldn't say judith didn't give that a really good go.

as assistant to?

Yes Craig. Dead right. There would be not one MP who didn't have our best interest at heart even if we disagree on his/her method. No call for squalid eh Craig :)

I can't help feel this is partly directed at me;

"Directed at" would be a bit strong. Partly motived by, let's say.

Even leaving the Wishartians' fantasising, it just seems to me that she's been a safe target, while far less effective MPs wander onwards.

its worth pointing out?

He has a sharp intellect, was always on top of the issues whatever they were, but also knew and acknowledged that others in the particular gathering had lived experience that gave them expertise on the issues under discussion that he didn't and couldn't have.

He's a Dunedin man and apparently?

I dare someone to try to think of something nice to say about Roger Douglas.

You're never going to die waiting to know what he really thinks, and agree with him or not (I assume around here it's usually the latter) he's at least willing to back it up with?

I remember once when he took over the portfolios of another minister who had been stood down, and I was talking to him at a party a few days later. His biggest complaint was that his diary had just been mashed together with another minister's diary. He was at that?

Speaking as someone who often struggles with more than one duty at any one time, I was amazed at how Hodgson managed to juggle all those ministerial roles and still find time for electorate duties.

I don't mean to harsh the general amity, but that's his frigging job — you?

I don't mean to harsh the general amity, but that's his frigging job — you stand for an electorate, you should bloody know what that entails if you win. Constituency clinics and going to various events are not some optional extra you "find time for", it's your damn job.

Of?

If anyone has high expectations of Ms Kaye, they will be disappointed. She is a moppet, who became the candidate because of an internal coup and?

Nevertheless, the fundypost is perhaps on firmer ground in describing Kaye's CV as "underwhelming" as opposed to "largely fabricated" in the absence of evidence to support the latter.?

Hundreds of of people attended the US Embassy event at the Michael Fowler Centre on the evening of Nov 5. It was a big deal, and ministers would have been invited. No ministers fronting would probably have been written up as a snub.

I really doubt it; even if this?

Nevertheless, the fundypost is perhaps on firmer ground in describing Kaye's CV as "underwhelming" as opposed to "largely fabricated" in the absence of evidence to support the latter.

Well, some people may find the CVs of equally youthful Labour MPs such as Chris Hipkins somewhat "underwhelming". Ditto for Darren Hughes.?

There is some spin that Roche was upset that Tizard had lost--yet she has publicly

Sigh ... it's not "spin". I spoke to someone who spoke to Denise Roche on election night.

So here we have the contrast between an inactive, indolent, entitlement MP, and a hard-working candidate from the?

I think that, almost by definition, a late-20s candidate for political office is going to have an underwhelming CV. For two reasons: a) they're relatively young and haven't had time to accumulate much experience; and b) what experience they do have relates in large part to party politics?

Apologies if the original comment sounded glib, but it is early in the morning.

Aw, I didn't mean to get on your case, Matthew. It's just this: I have enormous sympathy for the idea that — unless you're a total oxygen thief — when you enter politics you can pretty?

I didn't see Helen Clark in our electorate either, but I am interested as to how many readers did see their candidates, without, say, going to a public meeting.

Sighted Jonathan Coleman (Nat) many times here in Northcote, for instance standing on Onewa Rd with his campaigners having littered the?

Hundreds of of people attended the US Embassy event at the Michael Fowler Centre on the evening of Nov 5. It was a big deal, and ministers would have been invited. No ministers fronting would probably have been written up as a snub.

I really doubt it; even if this?

Ahhh, happier days.

I think this tends to underline my point about the the way she is oddly vilified.

Soooo... any truth to the much passed around notion that she went around saying that Roche had conceded to her, when it wasn't the case? If true, I'd find that a lot more damning?

I find all this talk about voting for someone because they're cool and great to hang out with suspiciously similar to the 'I voted for Bush because he'd be fun to drink beer with' mentality that troubles American elections.

That's really quite patronising, and I said nothing like that, but?

. . . I am interested as to how many readers did see their candidates, without, say, going to a public meeting.

Brendon Burns came doorknocking here in Chch central.

But it does have to be said that?

Soooo... any truth to the much passed around notion that she went around saying that Roche had conceded to her, when it wasn't the case? If true, I'd find that a lot more damning that any other charge against the woman.

It all seems to emanate from Tim Ellis, who?

It all seems to emanate from Tim Ellis

That answers that then.

I don't mean to harsh the general amity, but that's his frigging job — you stand for an electorate, you should bloody know what that entails if you win. Constituency clinics and going to various events are not some optional extra you "find time for", it's your damn job.

And?

You were pretty much completely wrong about everything.

I was, wasn't I? I will concede, through gritted teeth, that I have made myself look like a dick.

I spoke to someone who spoke to Denise Roche on Saturday night, who said she was in tears about attracting electorate votes that?

My initial impression, looking at some of those close electorate seats, was that the Greens were fools not to tell their supporters to vote strategically (in Peter Dunne's electorate esp).

But that's really starting to piss me off — and though I might be rather biased by National's unfortunate experiment?

I was, wasn't I? I will concede, through gritted teeth, that I have made myself look like a dick.

No worries. I, too, may have ventured further in rhetoric than logic would strictly permit, in this thread ...

I told myself to shut up and take a bike ride. I?

Goodoh

We had been waiting for you.

Goodoh

We had been waiting for you.

Beat you to that one ;-)
Thanx Goodoh, we've been waiting for you. ;-)

Well, Craig. It's called politics. ;-)

Expecting other people to do your work for you is called 'bone-idle' in my house. But seriously, this is like the lung-busting sulking some ACT-ivists were blaming National not "strategically" telling supporters in Auckland to vote for them. Well, I'd respectfully suggest ACT's real?

We had been waiting for you.

Beat you to that one ;-)

Or maybe I'm Vladimir to your Estragon.

It's not clear to me why the small party should roll over, even when it doesn't increase the number of MPs of the centre left in Parliament — and could even hurt its list vote due to weak campaigning in the electorate.

And?

Yo G, let me fix your syntax:

See, I keep saying we don't need an edit button.

I'm in the process of designing a new widget that makes Russell come to your place and do the housework. Stay tuned!

Ohariu, though ...

Oh, they dropped the ball there, no question.?

Now, that Judith Tizard, there's another story...............

Well, I'd respectfully suggest ACT's real problem was a bad campaign and internal issues that had nothing to do with National.

Bad campaign? What election were you watching?

It didn't seem to be the one where ACT improved 135% on 2005.

Bad campaign? What election were you watching?

It didn't seem to be the one where ACT improved 135% on 2005.

The one where ACT still polled lower than NZ First and, without tactical voting by National in Epsom, would be cast alongside NZF on the dustheap of history. And, trust?

Bad campaign? What election were you watching?

In 2005? The one where ACT was reduced to a caucus of two. Pretty crappy result, any way you squint at it. Sorry for not making that explicit.

"ACT improved 135%" – and still ended up within the margin of error for most opinion polls, in case you're tempted to claim a greater mandate than is warranted.

It is of course, the margin of error for a party with exactly 50% of the vote. For a party polling?

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LOL that was great, just what I needed to cheer me up from my sickbed.

I guess if you can't say something nice , this one cuts the cake. :)

Don McGlashan should try reading the fine print before signing contracts, I guess. But that's funny — Chris Trotter slapping down those uppity niggers one more time (which seems to have disappeared from Stuff) is?

Don McGlashan should try reading the fine print before signing contracts, I guess.

Except that it ain't in the fine print. APRA does blanket deals with broadcasters to allow incidental music to be used on the stations. Most acts are fine with this but stretching that to include tacit political?

"The incoming National government will completely review the emissions trading scheme (ETS) – possibly including the science that "

HenryB:

It may not be "nice" but I can see that the fun has already begun. I am really looking forward to JK managing this.

It'll be even more interesting?

New MPs under fire for gay remarks

The incoming National government will completely review the emissions trading scheme (ETS) – possibly including the science that says humans are to blame for climate change

I hope that there'll also be a review of the whole 'Earth is not flat' malarky. I'm tired of having science rammed down my?

Except that it ain't in the fine print.

I have been trying to read the fine print also, regarding these agreements, and I still don't feel confident to say something nice, but it's not about me.I have tried burying my head in quicksand, I have a sandpit theory somewhere on?

And as for?

The sound of a shark jumping...

New MPs under fire for gay remarks

Well, I sure think Claudette Hauiti should be called in for a "please explain" meeting with TVNZ management. Let's see: If this story is accurate, it sure sounds like she let someone on air who behaviour --?

Chris Trotter slapping down those uppity niggers one more time (which seems to have disappeared from Stuff) is anything but.

I read that article. It was astonishing, and not in the way that Mr Ranapia is trying to spin it, and unlike anything I've seen before. Try the DomPost as?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominionpost/4761237a26607.html