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  • Russell Brown,

    That said, JB was witty and personable when we had her on Media7.

    But I doubt I'll ever forgive the awful column she wrote about the development of the new secondary schools' curriculum. She managed to find the website for the project, but apparently was so consumed with complaint she didn't make it past the front page -- a step which would have resolved most or all of her problems.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    Taking the cue, I think you mean queue

    At least I didn't spell it que.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3215 posts Report

  • Jeremy Eade,

    In my experience as a kid National Party houses were tight, very serious environments . Maybe that's what was meant. The mindset of two confirming conservative minds.

    and back to Craig for the weather.

    auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 1112 posts Report

  • Isabel Hitchings,

    I always think Joanne Brown's views on education should be viewed in light of the way she doesn't actually seem to like her children very much.

    Christchurch • Since Jul 2007 • 719 posts Report

  • Jeremy Eade,

    Yes! This is very close to my 'babies are tiny stoned people' theory, upon which I have been expounding in Twitterland

    My boy turned 5 last week and we (his fans) sang him "happy birthday" with a great cake, and the smile on his face while he waited to blow out the candles was beyond any drug smile I have ever seen. William Blake was right, we lose something.

    auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 1112 posts Report

  • giovanni tiso,

    But then again, I'm old skool - I'm quite happy to pay for content to keep our writers and musicians in coffee money, even though my small contribution won't clothe or shelter them.

    If it was actually possible to pay money so that Joanne Black had to spend half an hour every week in the rain, I swear I would - I'd turn into a gift idea to my friends fact.

    (Your Subscription to Causing Mild Miscomfort to Someone Horrible is about to expire. Do you wish to renew?)

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report

  • Bart Janssen,

    She has great taste

    Someone is angling for special cuddles

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4461 posts Report

  • Russell Brown,

    If it was actually possible to pay money so that Joanne Black had to spend half an hour every week in the rain, I swear I would - I'd turn into a gift idea to my friends fact.

    I'm sure there's an app for that.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • Steve Withers,

    Craig R said: "try joining us in the 21st century where women are allowed to have jobs and opinions without a permission slip from their husbands."

    While I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment and have first-hand experience of same, based on her writings for over a decade, I doubt Joanne Black and her husband would have too much to argue about......if you know what I mean.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 312 posts Report

  • Kumara Republic,

    The painful revisting of a test driven education system,1970's style , flies in the face of what we now know about children.

    In Japan it's called 'shiken jigoku'. And add 'gakushu juku' to the mix...

    And if it's anything to go by, APN doesn't even have, or need, the editorial interference of Rupert Murdoch or Conrad Black to sound like them.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5446 posts Report

  • Steve Withers,

    Stephen Judd said: "It isn't sexism to bet that spouses influence each other more than randomly assorted couples, but common sense."

    They may well do that. It would be understandable if they did. To what extent does Murray McCully influence Jane Clifton, for example (assuming they are still together - I may be out of touch)? But at the same time, it may not be true at all....and judging one spouse by the actions or views of the other would be both unfair and wrong.

    I have views my wife doesn't share. I'd be mortified if her employer was going to hold her accountable for what I do and say...or vice versa. It would be most unfair...to her and to me.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 312 posts Report

  • Steve Withers,

    DeepRed said: "And if it's anything to go by, APN doesn't even have the editorial interference of Rupert Murdoch or Conrad Black."

    Tony O'Reilly heads APN. He has made his views clear in speeches.

    Was it Murdoch or Robert Maxwell who said: "You don't need to tell an editor what to write provided you've hired the right editor."

    A recent example.

    "Interfence" usually peaks on the day the person is appointed....and only a mis-behaving editor needs an attitude-adjustment after that. That would be very rare. They would usually just be "promoted" and replaced...then laid off quietly later or given special projects.

    New Zealand's "freedom of the press": Any foreign media mogul is free to publish whatever they like in their daily newspapers and on their TV and radio networks.


    The rest of us get to read it.

    All we own is TVNZ and RNZ...and they are both under attack from the current government. Makes you wonder what nation "National" refers to....

    Auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 312 posts Report

  • David Ritchie,

    assuming they are still together - I may be out of touch

    I believe you are.

    Black's an engaging feature writer.

    Since Nov 2006 • 166 posts Report

  • Rich of Observationz,

    If Black has a problem with people thinking that she has an identity of opinion with her husband, then there's a simple solution: stop producing a pamphlet of National party talking points. (with quality TV reviews)

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report

  • Paul Williams,

    Australian ministers have committed to publishing data about schools' financial resources, fees, charges and voluntary contributions and levels of capital expenditure. In some respects, it will do the job that the Education Review Office does here.

    Precisely. I'm so thoroughly sick of the simplistic comparisons that ignore the critical differences in NZ's far more autonomous and transparent system. There's no ERO in Australia and access to local information has been significantly more restricted.

    I'll also observe that the NZ school system, and particularly the early childhood and primary curriculum, is frequently cited as a great model (even in NSW).

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2273 posts Report

  • Craig Ranapia,

    @Rich: A much simpler solution would be to stop being a patriarchal twatcock and judge Black's work on its merits (or otherwise) not her marital status or husband's occupation.

    Not really that complicated.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • Craig Ranapia,

    And if it's anything to go by, APN doesn't even have, or need, the editorial interference of Rupert Murdoch or Conrad Black to sound like them.

    Ah, yes... the infamous editorial interference of Rupert Murdoch. Oddly enough, our host (back when he was wearing his Media Watch hat) did a useful reality check on the idea that Murdoch was directing his titles into a uniform cheer squad for the Iraq War. The editorial boards of then News International owned papers in New Zealand didn't get the memo...

    I doubt Joanne Black and her husband would have too much to argue about......if you know what I mean.

    I'm reasonably confidence Peter Davies isn't a closet ACT-oid, That's a very long way from insinuating he's married to a mindless sock puppet (or vice versa given his area of academic research).

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • JLM,

    I just know that twatcock is going to be word of the year...

    Judy Martin's southern sl… • Since Apr 2007 • 241 posts Report

  • Rich of Observationz,

    I thought I was judging it on its merits, which is her having turned a thoughtful magazine into a vehicle for "does my mortgage look big in this" type drivel.

    Just as an example, one has the Listeners copious education coverage, which is about wanting to build a sifting system that will ensure the kids of Parnell and Ponsonby get picked out for the favoured treatment their class deserves. Which of course directly disadvantages ordinary women whose parents couldn't afford to send them to EGGS a whole lot more than a few jibes about people having the same political views as their spouse. Which, to judge by her writing and article selection, she does.

    (you could link a Black article criticising National Party ideals if you want to prove me wrong)

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report

  • Stephen Judd,

    Steve: a wager doesn't have to be a sure thing to be a good bet...

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report

  • Matt Sinnock,

    Hopefully they'll be able to manage it themselves

    Hopefully we can indeed. Having recently taken on the job of looking after APN's magazines online presence, I feel rather like I'm nursing a neglected puppy back to health. RSS feeds of content as it becomes available online is high on my wish list for the new year, as are commenting functionality and viewing all articles by a particular columnist.

    Does the Listener have a full TV/Radio anywhere on it's site? ... Seems like there is a bit of a void there

    Agreed; that's something we are investigating - historically I understand that the limitation has been the price that the broadcasters charge for the rights to publish this information online.

    Auckland • Since Oct 2010 • 3 posts Report

  • Craig Ranapia,

    (you could link a Black article criticising National Party ideals if you want to prove me wrong)

    I'd have to give you a citation, but like Jane Clifton (who by any sane measure is astoundingly inept at taking pillow-dictation from Der McCullynator) why mess with man-tronising truthiness?

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • Tim Michie,

    For me it was combination of school ratings with no impediment to league table and the altered of funding to schools weighted more on academic achievement versus social situation meaning the lowest would be driven lower that was the real acid on the metal.

    I just know that twatcock is going to be word of the year...

    Quote that mainstream media...

    Auckward • Since Nov 2006 • 614 posts Report

  • Jeremy Eade,

    I just know that twatcock is going to be word of the year...

    Cussing others causes clenching, mostly to them.

    auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 1112 posts Report

  • BenWilson,

    There's a good reason for this: in a competitive "league table" environment, those of us whose children have special needs that might drag down scores will not be welcome at many schools.

    I think "even more unwelcome" is probably a better way of putting that. But I think even worse than that, the obsession with standards will make a lot more special needs kids a lot worse. Especially if such standards find their way into even the last environments in which these kids are pushed when they're rejected from everything mainstream.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report

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