I'm sure there's plenty of paranoid, anti-Semitic Americans out there who agree with Sanchez, but kudos?

comedy victims in the forums of Kiwiblog

I was going to say that Redbaiter was arguing alone on the latest kiwiblog thread (and even he wasn't precisely team Paul), but now I got back to check he isn't.

but now I got back to check he isn'

No. That Kris K fellow is like Redbaiter without the comedy value.

the insistence of 11% of Census respondents on describing themselves as "New Zealanders", as if it were an ethnic identity in itself ? or, really, as if being of European extraction and being "a New Zealander" were actually equivalent and identical claims.

But we'll have that discussion another day.

Just?

The way things are going, I suppose Rodney Hide should feel grateful that he didn't get his way on at-large voting for seats on the new Auckland Council.

Was this really a Rodney Hide thing? Or was it mostly a Royal Commission thing?

Was this really a Rodney Hide thing? Or was it mostly a Royal Commission thing?

Oh, shut up — Rodney Hide is to blame for everything. Don't?

(PAS: "We Read Kiwiblog So You Don't?

I know who I think is more of a New Zealander.

I'm sorry, but how does making racist comments, or even being a racist, make someone less of a New Zealander?

[edit: particularly if we are a "very racist country"]

Are you seriously suggesting that "people who think like me,?

It wasn't an apology it was a sarcastic middle finger gesture disguised as an obligatory disclaimer.

No it wasn't — it was a bog-standard "I'm so sorry you're offended" non-apology in the passive-aggressive voice. Not exactly new, or peculiar to Henry.

Even Redbaiter isn't arguing that he's in the majority – only that he's right.

And therefore an oppressed minority!

John Key would hate?

The most charitable way to interpret that was that Andi Brotherston meant "we" in the exclusive sense,?

The fallout from Paul Henry's disgraceful suggestion that our governor general was somehow less of a New Zealander because of the colour of his skin

Henry's like the sort of clown you sometimes see in pubs and bars. He's the bloke that gets pissed and tries to pick a fight,?

Was this really a Rodney Hide thing? Or was it mostly a Royal Commission thing?

Rodney on Q+A in August last year:

RODNEY What I would advocate is Councillors at large, there seems to be a large reaction against that, I'd actually advocate some form of STV, there's a?

*this term carefully selected for Craig Ranapia, who chastised me earlier for using "twat."

Hey, I just think it's horribly unfair to blameless vaginas everywhere to mention them in the same sentence as Paul Henry. Then again, what hell did my penis do to you? :)

And Craig ... ahem.

?

how does making racist comments, or even being a racist, make someone less of a New Zealander?

Graeme, you're quite correct that logically speaking, Henry's racist comments don't make him any less of a New Zealander – I wasn't making a comment about his citizenship. You're also quite right to?

RODNEY What I would advocate is Councillors at large, there seems to be a large reaction against that, I'd actually advocate some form of STV

Indeed ... so if he'd gotten his way the people of the North Shore would have their votes elect people under STV, and wouldn't have?

It's one thing to say something stupid and racist live on air. It's another thing to follow it up?

It's one thing to say something stupid and racist live on air. It's another thing to follow it up with a considered statement that is also stupid and racist.

It's only stupid if you don't think TVNZ has a deliberate strategy to use racial controversy as a marketing tool to?

They really should change their name to Weasel TV and drop the pretense.

How about Prolesec?

When the lesser (but only just) "cheeky darkie" issue flared up, Mitsubishi, among others, withdrew their sponsorship of Holmes.

John Key would hate to see Henry and his softball questions go, I'm sure.

Oh yeah, and I'm sure Helen Clark did her weekly turn as the Third Stooge for the intellectual and journalistic rigour? I'm just bemused that TVNZ insists on calling Breakfast news and current affairs rather than?

Are you seriously suggesting that "people who think like me, and talk like me, and agree with me" have greater claim on being a New Zealander than people who don't? Why can't Paul Henry be every bit the New Zealander that Anand Satyanand, Matthew Reid, and Graeme Edgeler are??

Sadly, the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition

I think that's a little unfair to both Key and Goff. My impression was that they both disagreed with what Henry said.

And note how he invokes his alleged heritage not to demonstrate empathy or anything, but just to be a dick.

Given that the ratings seem to suggest Paul Henry is popular despite the provocative offensiveness, perhaps I am somewhat deluded in my thinking about what New Zealanders are like.

That's the interesting place that its leading us.

Given that he puts his foot in his mouth on a regular basis,?

I can't understand for the life of me who watches Breakfast...the last thing I want to do that early in the morning is watch that trainwreck of soft 'news' bollocks. I'd rather,?

I think that's a little unfair to both Key and Goff. My impression was that they both disagreed with what Henry said.

I think the pokes at Key for not doing something about it live are unfair. If that had been me I probably would have laughed weakly and tried?

I can't understand for the life of me who watches Breakfast...the last thing I want to do that early in the morning is watch that trainwreck of soft 'news' bollocks. I'd rather, I dunno...get on with my day?

Same here. Radio seems much more suited to multi-tasking: you can get?

They're wrong that he just says what "everyone" is thinking, unless by "everyone" they mean the minority racist underbelly of NZ.

But they're right in the?

I would hope the PM's office has had subsequent "discussions" with TVNZ though. Something along the lines of: "The PM's?

I think that's a little unfair to both Key and Goff. My impression was that they both disagreed with what Henry said.

If only we had politicians with spine and values. But no our politicians care more about the exposure that being on breakfast TV gives them than in doing?

*this term carefully selected for Craig Ranapia, who chastised me earlier for using "twat."

I think that could be acceptable in your circumstance after reading this wiki explanation.

"The trouble with Twitter, the instantness of it ? too many twits might make a twat."

You just don't expect that sort of crap and you're on national TV and you're not used to making a scene. Ten minutes later as I was leaving I'd be pissed as hell and going over in my head what I should have said.

Yes, I think this is how?

And how cool is Ben Gracewood, eh?

Not very. Seriously now: how does one deal with the feedback I'm getting? 99.9% positive and wonderful, but the reason I quit was because my thought process went:

1. What a cock. (twatcock, as Tom said, to be balanced)

2. Oh god, I?

Fuck I hate being a kiwi sometimes. Mustn't make a fuss.

Until we must, then you fuss hard.

I read once that during WW1, reading Kiwi troops was an art form. It was easy to tell when the Australians were pissed off because they got louder and louder. But the?

Thanks for confirming you're all a bunch of cocks,

I forgot this. this is not true. I know people working (and past) at TVNZ that do not think any of what bile Henry comes up with, to be acceptable, or believable or secretly thinkable and I'll add that Mr R?

But Key's a professional politician for chrissakes! If he can handle question time (big "If") and campaigning, surely he'd have the savoir faire to say something.

But he should be expected to think on his feet in this circle of competence. As PM that circle is quite broad, but I'm?

Key is a woofter for not denouncing him

Can you spare us the homophobia please?

Radio seems much more suited to multi-tasking: you can get updated on the day's news while going about your ablutions, making breakfast etc.

Newspapers aren't suited to multitaking either, but plenty sit down and read the paper as part of their morning ritual.

and I'll add that Mr R Brown works there too and certainly doesn't seem to be secretly thinking that. He is being quite loud about the exact opposite.

Er, I don't work at TVNZ, although I'm there for two or three hours a week. I contract to a company that?

Newspapers aren't suited to multitaking either, but plenty sit down and read the paper as part of their morning ritual.

Ah, but you can listen to the radio while you read a newspaper (or the internet). You can't properly do either while you're watching TV.

I've never quite got the?

this is not true.

Goodness. Are you saying Andi Brotherston was wrong? She did say that Paul Henry says "the things we quietly think" and she's an official spokesperson.

Yeah, I know there are shining exceptions. I was just piling on with the sentiment that Brotherston was digging the hole?

Key is a woofter for not denouncing him

Can you spare us the homophobia please?

Whoops. Apologies. Meant it along the lines of wussy, not as rhyming slang for poofter.

But he should be expected to think on his feet in this circle of competence. As PM that circle is quite broad

He's never really been tested hard, but.

I've never quite got the Breakfast TV thing myself, and I used to be on it.

I think it's something that's?

PAUL HENRY SUSPENDED

TVNZ has today suspended Breakfast host Paul Henry.

TVNZ CEO Rick Ellis said that Mr Henry?s recent remarks about Governor General Sir Anand Satyanand were inappropriate for anyone in the company to make.

?I have met with Paul and told him that while his?

Breaking news
OK so RB beat me. :)

I confess, I tweeted it first ...

Any apology in conditional form expresses a relationship of necessity and sufficiency with respect to antecdent and consequent claims. In the conditional apology the apology itself is the necessary consequent of some antecedent which suffices for an apology.

Valid forms of the Conditional Apology?

TVNZ has today suspended Breakfast host Paul Henry.

That's an interesting step. Previously he's largely got away with doing nothing or an apology and a tap on the wrist. This is an actual punishment. I wonder what else it carries with it in terms of 'warning', 'final warning', do anything?

I confess, I tweeted it first ...

So what, now you're showing off? ;-)

Maybe there's been a few companies threatening to pull their advertising ? Money talks and all?

I wonder what else it carries with it in terms of 'warning', 'final warning', do anything like that again you'll be out etc. Be nice to think we were at least making progress to getting rid of him.

Just like getting rid of 'troublesome' employees in the real world. Although?

Ah, but you can listen to the radio while you read a newspaper (or the internet). You can't properly do either while you're watching TV.

Actually, my freeview thing has radio nz on it. 'Though the picture is kinda boring.

or the hapless middle classes of the North Shore would find themselves welcoming their new southern overlords.

As long as they can come up with a coherent and reasonable building code for the whole of AK. That actually reflects the way people live nowdays, they can come from Mordor, or?

Interesting that Spartacus is looking for a Caucasian male – now there's a word one doesn't hear these days – caucasian.

I find that a little odd. Given the nature of the role, a Polynesian (or for that matter, an Arab, a North African or a Latino) would be a?

www.arts.auckland.ac.nz/webdav/site/arts/shared/Departments/documents-publications/PeterGibbons-The-Far-Side-of-the-Search-for-Identity.pdf

I won't try and summarise a highly nuanced argument, but I will say that it has made me deeply suspicious whenever I hear?

All due respect to you Craig, I'm not sure I'm any less uncomfortable being a 'blameless vagina' than a 'twat'. If you want to stand up for me -?

And for the record, I reckon Clark would have a) declined to be interviewed by that particular twat and b), if forced for some reason, would have reacted with instant and sharp condemnation of his blatantly racist, stupid and obnoxious comment.

I suspect that Helen would 'own' the interview to?

And for the record, I reckon Clark would have a) declined to be interviewed by that particular twat and b), if forced for some reason, would have reacted with instant and sharp condemnation of his blatantly racist, stupid and obnoxious comment.

I think that Helen Clark would've ripped PH a?

I suspect that Helen would 'own' the interview to a degree that Henry would never make that kind of comment.

True, although he never lost a chance to make a buffoon out of himself even with Helen Clark. He's a lot like Sacha Baron Cohen in that respect, the more?

And for the record, I reckon Clark would have ...

I suspect that Helen would 'own' the interview to a degree that Henry would never make that kind of comment.

I think that Helen Clark would've ripped PH a new one ...

Not to mention what Chuck Norris would have?

And since Paul Henry is suspended I hope this means Ben's role as gadget reviewer is reinstated.

if Henry doesn't get the boot

He won't get the boot. He is an employee and has rights, one of which is due process. That is, he f'd up and he has been formally censured and warned. If/when he f's up again then he can and will be fired. Until?

I would hope the PM's office has had subsequent "discussions" with TVNZ though. Something along the lines of: "The PM's not going on that f7cking show again..."

Which I wish both Key and Clark had done years back — but I'd suggest some folks who say Key and Goff should?

Once Henry's a bottom line liability,
his utility is done.

Suspending him without pay, may actually make him notice the punishment that his "builders' cracks"* have earned him...

*Apologies to any individual builders who may be offended by that generalisation, I was meaning the wolf-whistling boorish types, with?

All due respect to you Craig, I'm not sure I'm any less uncomfortable being a 'blameless vagina' than a 'twat'.

@Sally Jones: With equally due and sincere respect, please accept my apology for the man-tronage (a mash up of man-splaining and head-patting from a place of male privilege). My only?

If anyone else wants to play, mine would be "That's one?

Eventually, (to misuse one of my favourite lines from ?Californication?) he [sprout: deleted on the grounds that it sounds too much like a Craig Ranapiaism] your cat.

?

when (usually) white New Zealanders describe themselves as "New Zealanders" without qualification.

I do identify as a New Zealander without further ethnic/racial/national qualification. You are free to identify otherwise.

It's the underlying assumption that being a New Zealander means belonging to a very specific ethnic background that is nevertheless?

Hey Craig – you should contact The Standard for payment of residuals since they have made up a new word with your name:

I affectionately call the mole just above my left arse cheek 'The Standard', because it's ugly, serves no useful function and may well turn out to be?

(Lost Russell's address.)

Interesting article on "Autism Cures" in the latest Scientific Amercian.

Part gypsy myself – the original statement and the apology both offended me...

Some of Paul Henry's friends are Jewish, but...

Seriously though, to those who say "harden up, ya PC wankers!", Mr Henry's latest sewage-mouthing reminds me all too well of my high school experiences. Not just any old?

Hey Craig – you should contact The Standard for payment of residuals since they have made up a new word with your name:

Way back I was working on a coffee table book of and called "Ranapianisms", but his contributions began to dry up rendering it "another useless idea of?

Seriously though, to those who say "harden up, ya PC wankers!"...

... they should be reminded a real hard bastard (or bitch – let's not be sexist) only insults people who are close enough to respond with a belt in the mouth.

Oh, you mean like she did with a certain cheeky whitey who happened to host the top-rating breakfast radio show in the country?

Refresh my memory, was Clark on air and being interviewed at the time the infamous comment was made?

Also, I don't recall Holmes being routinely subjected to?

Well.

Warning: Sarcasm/"joke"/satire coming up.

I could have said: "When did that shrimp arsed whinging Pom turn up?" Looks?

Henry lacks the spine and sense of honour required for a similar course of action.

Its a bit stink, but I suspect he feels he's probably got enough support that he can get away with this sort of thing. His People's Choice award probably speaks to that conviction.

Its a bit stink, but I suspect he feels he's probably got enough support that he can get away with this sort of thing

Holmes doubtless would've had similar levels of support – his radio and TV shows both remained high-rating after the CD comment – but he still offered?

Anyone who wishes to identify as a New Zealander without further qualification should be free to do so.

Oh, I agree. I have absolutely no issue with what people call themselves, just like I'd have no issue with someone answering the question "Are you a man or a woman?"?

Also, I don't recall Holmes being routinely subjected to upheld complaints about his on-air utterances.

@Matthew: In the story you linked it, it was noted the reason the BSA complaints weren't upheld was because the action taken by The Radio Network (not exactly known for keeping their shock jocks on?

He's a lot like Sacha Baron Cohen in that respect, of.

..except he doesn't have a Cambridge History degree, a Golden globe, acting training, a handful of well crafted characters from which to launch his attacks, or any other real commitment or techniques to publicly distance himself from the persona?

Oh, you mean like she did with a certain cheeky whitey who happened to host the top-rating breakfast radio show in the country?

Refresh my memory, was Clark on air and being interviewed at the time the infamous comment was made?

Also, I don't recall Holmes being routinely subjected to?

Sorry. We only get the paper copy here.

It's pretty much desparation – even by people who know, deep inside, that it won't work.

He's a lot like Sacha Baron Cohen in that respect, of.

..except he doesn't have a Cambridge History degree, a Golden globe, acting training, a handful of well crafted characters from which to launch his attacks, or any other real commitment or techniques to publicly distance himself from the persona?

So, um yeah, struggling to see any similarity in the responses of the respective Prime Ministers at all.

ETA: Aw, screw it. I'll just say put this in the "agree to disagree" file, and move on. Had a really lovely lunch date with Danielle and Jackie today, and it would?

Ben Gracewood, my hat off to you. I think your gesture made a difference.

I'm feeling that too bro.

Mr Key took the comments in his stride, but they sparked complaints to the television network, the resignation of another of the?

"That is the right course of action,"

re: the suspension from the Keyster. It seems his moral compass is on 24 hour delay. I never thought I'd say it but bring back Helen. Key's response on the show defied what a?

The whole point of the census question is about ethnicity, and by allowing?

I'm with the group pointing out that "New Zealander" is not an ethnicity – it describes everyone who is a citizen of this country, whether that citizenship occurred at birth, or in a ceremony 5 minutes ago.

Is "New Zealander" not included as an 'ethnicity' to gauge/ reveal something more??

I still think that.

"I'm informed that I was born at Bethany Hospital, 37 Dryden St, Grey Lynn and I don't need to add much to that"

So, definitely not a real Kiwi then ... ;)

It was to the PM about, er his boss the GG.

Worse has been said by better like what Bob Parker about the Addington Relief centre evictee family.

So, definitely not a real Kiwi then ... ;)

Dude, born in Gay Lynn — we know what that means...

ETA: Never thought I'd tweet this, but here goes:

Hate to say this, but @Whaleoil has a point: Hard to see how @tvnznews didn't breech name suppression tonight, will they?

I personally am still extremely pissed off that "Pakeha" is no longer in the census, but the NZer term is.

The term New Zealander was not an option in the ethnicity question at the last census.

Perhaps I can ask a question a different way in order to generate some?

Dude, born in Gay Lynn — we know what that means...

Hey! Leave Grey Lynn out of this!

Hey! Leave Grey Lynn out of this!

Done and done. Grey Lynn is a perfectly charming neighbourhood, but way above my pay grade.

Worse has been said by better like what Bob Parker about the Addington Relief centre evictee family.

Having encountered some of those very people while staying in the then Addington Relief Centre, I'd rate that particular mouthfart pretty far down the list of the many compelling reasons to dump Parker.

The whole point of the census question is about ethnicity, and by allowing the NZer label in that context, the question is made meaningless

How about all the people who wish to deny my ability to identify my 'ethnicity' as an NZer check out the results of the question from?

An ethnic group (or ethnicity) is a group of people whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage, consisting of a common language, a common culture (often including a shared religion) and a tradition of common ancestry (corresponding to a history of endogamy)

Is Bogan or Westie an?

As for Pakeha, as far as I'm aware, it's the Maori for a white person – can't get more origins-neutral than that. It doesn't make reference to Europe, which I consider?

What's interesting looking at the table is that a hundred thousand people, who have had no axe to grind in our 'ethnicity' debate, have put themselves down as British, Australian, American, Canadian, Chilean, Argentinean, Belgian, Swiss etc.
These are not?

Why are New Zealanders different?

There is something of a difference between defining yourself by your country of origin when overseas (as all those people are) and defining yourself solely by your country of origin when in it.

The moment Paul Henry has a go at white, rich business men then perhaps I'll believe his excuse about "saying what others are afraid to say."

It was TVNZ?s spokesperson who said something along those lines, and I consider that early response from TVNZ to be at least as bad?

what is it that you consider makes "Pakeha" an ethnicity?

Belonging

Perhaps we need a bit longer so that it becomes obviously distinctive from the belonging of Maori New Zealanders, Indian New Zealanders, Samoan New Zealanders or Korean New Zealanders.

Some of us Pakeha New Zealanders see it. How short-sighted?

"New Zealander" was not listed as an ethnicity in the 2006 census. People who wished to identify as New Zealanders had to write that in by hand.

Here's a screen capture of the question here.

As I've noted before the question does not maintain or encourage some pure separation?

Rick Ellis should be utterly ashamed – and act to redeem himself pronto. Big ups to Ben Gracewood for showing?

arguably relate to one ethnicity = "Polynesian."

These include two nationalities (Samoan, Tongan), and various types of New Zealand citizens (Maori, Cook Island Maori, Niuean, Tokelauan).

You're confusing ethnicity and race. Clue – it's not an ethnicity if no one other than the Police use it.

What's a person of Eurasian Dutch background, who is a 3rd generation citizen of New Zealand to do?

Maybe indicate all the groups you belong to, like it asks you to.

Perhaps we need a bit longer so that it becomes obviously distinctive from the belonging of Maori New Zealanders, Indian New Zealanders, Samoan New Zealanders or Korean New Zealanders. Some of us Pakeha New Zealanders see it. How short-sighted or narcissistic must I be to leave off the first?

You're confusing ethnicity and race.

The only race is the human race.

Perhaps the same courtesy could be extended to those who consider themselves "New Zealanders without qualification"?

No. 'Courtesy' suggests there's no harm – just like that 'funny' Paul Henry never hurt anyone.

Claiming a term that belongs to all of us is not ok. It's aggressive.

Geez, maybe we need?

What good is done by compartmentalizing people in this way?

It's kind of useful if you don't wish to retain a childish belief that we're all exactly the same. Oh, and to measure inequality – which is why skepticism is correlated positively with the colour of one's neck.

And I'm?

p.s., by some definitions "Pakeha" means "not Maori" and so does not distinguish between people in the way you think it does anyway.

I'm hopelessly naive

Your 'logic' suggests

Ditch the black or white

Maybe indicate all the groups you belong to

We can share the same sense of belonging and have some different ones besides. What's so troublesome about that notion?

Claiming a term that belongs to all of us is not ok. It's aggressive.

So I can't use a term to describe myself that belongs to ALL of us?
Your logic escapes me. Unless you're implying that I'm excluding others from using it, which considering you don't know me is?

So I can't use a term to describe myself that belongs to ALL of us?

You're perfectly entitled to use the term "New Zealander". As a Kiwi overseas, I certainly do, if only because explaining "Pakeha" takes far more time than it's worth.

But in a census designed to collect?

It's kind of useful if you don't wish to retain a childish belief that we're all exactly the same. Oh, and to measure inequality – which is why skepticism is correlated positively with the colour of one's neck.

All class.

No one has claimed, or suggested, "we're all exactly?

What I do claim is that people should be able to identify themselves as New Zealanders (and any other ethnicity) if they wish to do so, without being subjected to abuse from the likes of you.

Except New Zealander is not an ethnicity. It is, at most, a particular combination,?

Except New Zealander is not an ethnicity. It is, at most, a particular combination, at a particular moment in time, of pre-existing ethnicities, all of which (with the exception of one) originated outside of this country within the very recent past, in terms of human history.

Of course?

Of course it's a combination. Which makes it very similar to "Australian", "American", "Canadian", ... and perhaps even "British" (Act of Union pretty recent in human history too).

Totally. In that they're all majority-Anglophone nations whose recently-imported majority cultures are often suspiciously keen to claim some form of indigeneity, in?

White
Irish Traveller
Black or Black British ? Caribbean
Black or Black British ? African
Other Black background
Mixed ? White and Asian
Asian or Asian British ? Indian
Asian or Asian?

It's the empire, on a form.

That's just beautiful, dude. You some sort of historian or something?

I would argue that "Australian," "Canadian," "American," and "New Zealander" are indeed "not-ethnicities." Or rather, they're pseudo-ethnicities, the assertion of which is a way of denying the fact of colonial settlement and the basic un-originality of their supposedly distinctive (white) national cultures.

What should "Canadians" be called, then??

who knew that cockroaches could walk on their hind legs and use the Constellation bus depot...

Well, Ian, come the nuclear apocalypse we're still going to be here. How about you? (BTW, you're aware I quite literally live across the road from Constellation station? Hope not.) :)

Anyway, snark aside?

So I can't use a term to describe myself that belongs to ALL of us?

Carlos, as others have pointed out to you already *you're not in New Zealand* so of course the term "New Zealander" makes sense for you to use – in much the same way as people?

So yes. I would argue that "Australian," "Canadian," "American," and "New Zealander" are indeed "not-ethnicities." Or rather, they're pseudo-ethnicities, the assertion of which is a way of denying the fact of colonial settlement

Very good point. I must make time to read Belich's "Settlers" book.

Well, Ian, come the nuclear apocalypse we're still going to be here. How about you? (BTW, you're aware I quite literally live across the road from Constellation station? Hope not.) :)
Anyway, snark aside --...

Craig, that wasn't directed at you or users or other?

One morning, when Gregor Samsa woke from troubled dreams, he found himself transformed in his bed into a horrible vermin.

That's one way to lively up?

But in a census designed to collect information on the ethnic makeup of the country, it's somewhat....pointless.

Much as I fear we're not going to get any closer to consensus on this issue than we have any other time, yep.

Of course I'm a New Zealander — and I feel?

everyday conversation isn't about census taking

Yes, thank goodness.

Your categories tend to collapse under the weight of their own absurdity, anyway.

Uh huh, DC Red. I'm not the one effectively calling myself a "New Zealander New Zealander". Greek Australians and Armenian Canadians might find that amusing.

However I can?

consensus

heh

I'd like this month's "I hate Paul Henry" to be over now

TVNZ can lance the boil by firing the prick as soon as they decide to take seriously the reaction of the public whose eyeballs they sell to advertisers – and whose votes influence the government that owns their?

and now I can see his ancestral roots showing:

"Get off my f*****g land," he shouted. "Have you got your pictures now? Have you taken photos?

If any photos are published I'll sue the f*****g paper.

Somehow I'm not surprised that Henry is the frivolous lolsuit type.

What should "Canadians" be called, then? I'm surrounded by them at the moment ... all different hues, and a tremendous diversity of family names too of course.

"Canadians." Of course. But that's a nationality, not an ethnicity. It's kind of an important distinction.

I don't know about you, but I'd like this month's "I hate Paul Henry" to be over now.

Perhaps a lie down and a nice cup of tea? It's precisely that attitude that allows the likes of Henry to get away with what he does.
That's why he doesn't like?

Interesting article on "Autism Cures" in the latest Scientific Amercian.

Thanks for pointing this out. Man the cranks are certainly good at mobilising the troops into the comment zone.

I wonder if Orac will give it a once over.

TVNZ can lance the boil by firing the prick as soon as they decide to take seriously the reaction of the public whose eyeballs they sell to advertisers...

Call me cynical (lots of people do), but in the world of tv-ratings I believe he has only increased his value to?

Hey look over there

> The Narcissist has spoken

Pissing off Paul Henry: priceless.

There are some things money can't buy. For everything else...

Seriously though, are we seeing a tipping point for the model that has dominated TVNZ thinking for the past 20 years? What sets this apart from the?

[side threadjack] Marcus have you got a link to that article? I'm really interested as to why people put their kids through non-evidence based treatments

An american with interest in this once explained his view of why to me along the lines of: in america there?

If the census opts purely for predefined categories, then you are measuring how people assign themselves (or not) within the framework dictated to them, rather than what the population might think about the matter. In?

and now I can see his ancestral roots showing

Nope – like Messers Hosking and Laws, he's suddenly rediscovered a regard for privacy when someone's pawing through his figurative panty drawer.

Henry should spend some of his gardening leave reading Baudelaire:

La sottise, l'erreur, le péché, la lésine,
Occupent nos?

Seriously though, are we seeing a tipping point for the model that has dominated TVNZ thinking for the past 20 years?

Hmm... not yet. Rick Ellis yesterday could have, IMO, clarified that Brotherston's statement was an unusual lapse; accurate, per se, but not at all relevant – in fact, specifically?

about Cantonese goldminers in 1860s Otago. I know, since I'm descended from one of them.

I still remember as a kid knowing that asian people all had kiwi accents. It came as a surprise to meet a asian person with anything other than a kiwi accent.

"Canadians." Of course. But that's a nationality, not an ethnicity. It's kind of an important distinction.

Right, so "Canadians" shouldn't put "Canadian" down as an ethnicity, then (at least not in Canada) ... which brings us back to the question of what they "should" be instead.

The nationality/ethnicity?

The audience tell us over and over again that one of the things they love about Paul Henry is that he's prepared to say the things we quietly think but are scared to say out loud

I think a reasonable reading of?

On the census, for statistical purposes, they want to know how you identify your ethnicity

The key word there is identify.

If somebody is a quarter Maori and three quarters European and ticks the Maori box then they are omitting three quarters of their blood line. Because they identify with?

I'd love to know to what extent people watch Breakfast because they'll watch anything that's on at that time though.

First, insert standard disclaimers about the limitations of anecdotal evidence. Done?

I put that question to an acquaintance, and it turned out she "watches" Breakfast much the same way I?

I'd love to know to what extent people watch Breakfast because they'll watch anything that's on at that time though.

They could watch Magnum P.I. on 3, if they wanted.

I guess the question is WHY are those people afraid to say those things out loud?

Is it because of the nancy PC brigade who are afraid of the truth about minorities, or because they don't want people to find out that they are dirty, nasty racists and?

he is from the dire tribe...

Ian, another PAS golden moment,thank you.

As much as I hate the media hounding people and invading their privacy, couldn't we justify these intrusions on the basis that they entirely resemble the abuse he's visited on others?

On the other hand, I'm sick of?

it at least shows that the idea is contested

Which is great – let's have an informed conversation about it.

The nationality/ethnicity distinction is pretty tenuous. Look at the 2006 NZ Census: Chinese, Indian, Tongan, Samoan, Dutch ... all listed as potential ethnicities, and all clearly nationalities as well.

Agreed?

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if many of those who write in praising Henry DO say that, and Brotherston is more or less telling the truth, sad as it is.

Well, as I said elsewhere, I'm sure there's plenty of Americans who agree with Rick Sanchez that "The Jews"?

. . . let's have an informed conversation about it.

As distinct from a TVNZ-sanctioned "debate", complete with Buzzy Freaking Bee.

Bloody hairy-arsed monuments to self-importance.

I like the end of that poem especially

...
And yet, among the beasts and creatures all?
Panther, snake, scorpion, jackal, ape, hound, hawk?
Monsters that crawl, and shriek, and grunt, and squawk,
In?