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Hard News: #NetHui: it's all about you

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  • Jolisa,

    (The term, not the practice itself, she adds hastily)

    Auckland, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 1411 posts Report Reply

  • Andre Alessi, in reply to recordari,

    Spoiler Alert: have you seen Toy Story 3? I mean when Andy sits down and plays with all the toys… enough

    Kevin Smith wasn't joking when he said that film should've been called Schindler's Toys. I bawled myself silly in the cinema, while the people I went with sat dry-eyed and bored.

    Devonport, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 862 posts Report Reply

  • Andre Alessi, in reply to Jolisa,

    I think I prefer the original term, ‘patronising.’

    I'm occasionally tempted to use "matronising" in gender-appropriate contexts on other websites, but my sense of self-preservation always wins out.

    Devonport, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 862 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to recordari,

    I do notice that some topics (notably the more political ones) get only a small number of women commenting.

    For some reason I was thinking about the demographics of the various threads on here over the weekend. Maybe after seeing Russell’s tweets and so-forth. FWIW, I avoid the political threads here now. Once bitten, twice shy perhaps. Like that Doberman when I was doing door to door Market Research for Heylen.

    Which is why I don’t like to think of us a “political blog”. That implies a certain kind of conversation amongst a certain kind of people. There are other ways of exploring ideas than via partisan party political bickering.

    As the election nears, political topics will undoubtedly heat up, but hopefully in a way that also produces light.

    FWIW, in February the Nielsen panel had us at 53.49% male readers and 46.51% female – Kiwiblog actually had a slightly higher proportion of women, and The Standard a sightly lower one – but I think the proportion of women actively contributing here is notable for a blog that covers politics.

    Overall, Nielsen’s demographic panel of 44,000-odd New Zealand internet users is 58.6% female, which is interesting in itself. The highest proportion amongst the Scoop Media cartel sites was Kimberly Crossman (79.85% female) and The Big Idea (70%).

    Other interesting data points: PA’s 60 years+ readership is 14.78% (versus 17.64% for Kiwiblog and 15.9% at The Standard), but Nielsen couldn’t find a single under-18 year-old PA reader in its panel.

    22% of PA readers describe themselves as “Professional or Senior Government Official”, vs 23.84% at Pundit. A couple of per cent of us are beneficiaries, so yeah, some privilege there. (17.2% of y’all are “not in paid employment”, which seems to be exclusive of beneficiaries.)

    PA (19.62%) and The Big Idea (21.44%) have the highest proportion amongst the Scoop sites of people who work in companies with 1-4 employees.

    10% of PA readers live in Canterbury, versus 37% in Auckland and 32.8% in Wellington. Only 4% of PA readers identify as Maori – the average across the Scoop sites is a couple of points higher, as is the figure for the Nielsen panel as a whole.

    PA had a higher proportion of people who read the site at work (35.48%) than any other Scoop site, and the highest proportion of broadband users (97%). PA is also tops for people who have uploaded a review of a product or service in the past four weeks. 43.28% had participated in an online auction, highest amongst the Scoop sites.

    Two thirds of you used the internet to research entertainment and 90% to research news and current affairs. Topic of least research interest: automobiles (lowest amongst the Scoop sites). By comparison, nearly half of the creatives at the Big Idea had used the internet to look for jobs in the past four weeks.

    92% of PA readers had read a newspaper online, fractionally ahead of Pundit, but well ahead of Kiwiblog (86.4%). PA readers were the biggest online music listeners, at 58.84%, just ahead of the kids at Kimberly Crossman. YAY! WIN!

    You’re also by miles the biggest viewers of internet video, at 71.77% in the past four weeks. Ditto for having “downloaded, streamed, or watched a TV show or movie” (41.13%) and just behind The Standard for listening to internet radio, at 37.1%. Also highest for using RSS feeds at 37.37%, and using an online directory, at 54%.

    20% of PA readers spend more than 30 hours a week on the internet.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18957 posts Report Reply

  • Megan Wegan, in reply to 81stcolumn,

    The thing is, mansplaining is absolutely a thing. But just because a man is talking, doesn't automatically mean he's doing it.

    Welly • Since Jul 2008 • 1273 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Sacha,

    Way more folk read than comment

    You know it would be nice to have more of them join in.

    I have said that one of the things I most value about this community is the diversity of voices. I'd love to see more of them - providing they don't post about Wham :P.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3414 posts Report Reply

  • bmk, in reply to Russell Brown,

    PA had a higher proportion of people who read the site at work (35.48%) than any other Scoop site

    You never feel guilty about the cost to the country's production you cause?:)

    Since Jun 2010 • 323 posts Report Reply

  • Robyn Gallagher,

    Is, on average, highly paid and highly educated. (43% >$100,000 annual household income)

    Please advise where I can get my salary topped up to meet this demographic. (A substantial top-up will be required - my current contract ends in August!)

    Raglan • Since Nov 2006 • 1861 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __, in reply to Russell Brown,

    22% of PA readers describe themselves as “Professional or Senior Government Official”, vs 23.84% at Pundit. A couple of per cent of us are beneficiaries, so yeah, some privilege there. (71.2% of y’all are “not in paid employment”, which seems to be exclusive of beneficiaries

    Right, because obviously beneficiaries are in paid employment. Does not-in-paid-employment include self-employed people?

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3466 posts Report Reply

  • ScottY,

    NetHui was a great event and was very interactive and friendly. I was pleasantly surprised by how few copyright “abolitionists” there were, and was delighted to learn that the opening ceremony to this internet conference didn’t involve a bonfire and all the IP lawyers on it.

    Lessig’s talk was dynamic and provocative, and it was hard to disagree with too much of it. My only worry is that we don’t seem to be getting much closer to a solution to the copyright “problem” (am choosing words carefully, lest another copyright flamewar is ignited).

    The other highlight for me was Bill English’s speech. He was actually engaged, gave intelligent answers to questions, and seemed to care what the audience thought. Maybe it was all an act, but at least he was trying.

    Unlike his colleague Steven Joyce, who turned up late because he thought doing a photo-op with a school was more important, and who didn’t seem to think keeping 400 people waiting was a big deal. Joyce proceeded to give a speech that fell utterly flat, and managed to piss off most of the audience by refusing to answer questions he didn’t like. I can’t believe some people talk about Joyce as a future National Party leader. He was arrogant and contemptuous of the audience.

    Chris Finlayson was little better. He didn’t want to talk about copyright and seemed more interested in giving clever answers than in being insightful.

    The best thing about the entire conference was the level and civility of the debate. Topics that usually descend into flamewars when discussed online were debated politely and intelligently.

    Yorke of The Atatu • Since Feb 2009 • 790 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to ScottY,

    I can’t believe some people talk about Joyce as a future National Party leader. He was arrogant and contemptuous of the audience.

    Wasn't he just. And, as I wrote, English was quite the opposite. Finlayson gave the impression he wasn't taking the audience very seriously.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18957 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to bmk,

    You never feel guilty about the cost to the country’s production you cause?:)

    Only occasionally.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18957 posts Report Reply

  • recordari, in reply to Russell Brown,

    20% of PA readers spend more than 30 hours a week on the internet.

    Interesting that the recent time-use figures don't appear to separate Internet usage. Where would you put it? Watching Television? Playing Video Games? Socialising? Reading/ Personal writing? Education? Paid work? All of the above, in my case at least.

    ETA: I was going to add personal grooming, but that would be fallacious.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Lilith __,

    22% of PA readers describe themselves as “Professional or Senior Government Official”, vs 23.84% at Pundit. A couple of per cent of us are beneficiaries, so yeah, some privilege there. (71.2% of y’all are “not in paid employment”, which seems to be exclusive of beneficiaries

    Right, because obviously beneficiaries are in paid employment. Does not-in-paid-employment include self-employed people?

    Whoops – typing error there – the “not in paid employment” figure is 17.2%, not 71.2%.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18957 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to bmk,

    You never feel guilty about the cost to the country’s production you cause?:)

    I read this while I'm reading and/or writing. It's the break that allows me to relax and then think better when I get back to "work".

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3414 posts Report Reply

  • 81stcolumn, in reply to bmk,

    You never feel guilty about the cost to the country’s production you cause?:)

    Have referred to my visits here as personal development...not sure I'm always joking. I certainly know of one or two other people who would benefit from dropping by.

    Nawthshaw • Since Nov 2006 • 727 posts Report Reply

  • 81stcolumn,

    This may sound sad but was I the only one that found the twitter feed from #nethui utterly compelling ?

    Nawthshaw • Since Nov 2006 • 727 posts Report Reply

  • DeepRed, in reply to ScottY,

    Unlike his colleague Prostetnic Vogon Joyce, who turned up late because he thought doing a photo-op with a school was more important, and who didn’t seem to think keeping 400 people waiting was a big deal. Joyce proceeded to give a speech that fell utterly flat, and managed to piss off most of the audience by refusing to answer questions he didn’t like. I can’t believe some people talk about Joyce as a future National Party leader. He was arrogant and contemptuous of the audience.

    Fixed.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 4351 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    You know it would be nice to have more of them join in.

    I have said that one of the things I most value about this community is the diversity of voices. I'd love to see more of them - providing they don't post about Wham :P.

    It's perfectly natural for most people in any group discussion not to feel compelled to speak up.

    Encouraging more speakers does not always produce diversity either. That's a trickier challenge, both online and at events like NetHui.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16741 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to 81stcolumn,

    found the twitter feed from #nethui utterly compelling

    +1

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16741 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    And you do realise that by being a frequent and valued commenter here you have fatally aligned yourself with the espresso-swilling bourgoisie?

    Yes, indeed. I often worry that come the revolution, if not first against the wall, I will at least make the upper deciles. What can one do? I sold my sports car and moved out of Herne Bay, at least.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4463 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    INCOMING AWESOMENESS …

    Professor Lessig has just tweeted that being credited with The Public Address Copyright Thread of Doom is “the greatest reward someone like I could receive."

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18957 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Sacha,

    True and one oft heard comment is that

    "I would post but xxxx said what I was going to say"

    Which may be true but they probably didn't say it that way you would.

    Only you have had your experiences to inform your voice.

    I don't mean that we don't have enough active posters but rather that I really really enjoy hearing other voices.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3414 posts Report Reply

  • recordari, in reply to Andre Alessi,

    Schindler's Toys

    Yeah, that conveyor belt and the whole holding hands thing over the abyss, you'd be a cold-hearted bastard if that didn't upset you just a little bit.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to ScottY,

    Joyce proceeded to give a speech that fell utterly flat, and managed to piss off most of the audience by refusing to answer questions he didn’t like. I can’t believe some people talk about Joyce as a future National Party leader. He was arrogant and contemptuous of the audience.

    I found him surprisingly bad - assumed he'd just be better at it even if I often disagree with him. Seriously, has anyone seen the man speak well elsewhere?

    I agree that in contrast, English got it dead right and had clearly been doing his homework for the last couple of years - even if he trotted out the same laissez-faire chicken and egg argument that it is up to others to demonstrate usefulness of Open Data before govt will release more of it.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16741 posts Report Reply

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