Your hiphop name: LL Cool R.

Yeah, and that's why a lot of us, especially, I suspect women, don't read The Standard. He is also the dude who is So Very Busy counting his stats and?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOvaS7-qFGk

"Active and comfortable" is also a description of my exclusive line of branded leisurewear.

I occasionally read it, but don't contribute there any more. I can't be bothered contributing in a place where the first response always seems to be some clown calling me a class traitor.

I can?t believe I didn?t find time to make more of how active and comfortable women are in these forums, and what a useful influence that is.

Indeed – speaking as a bloke I guess a measure of your success is that I take it for granted the contribution made?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lstMG7JLduE&feature=share

So you can still come along but can't have a late one?

Just tell the boss you're menstruating on Friday :-)

I had to acknowledge to myself that I was basically trolling a lot of the time at Kiwiblog. Didn't seem right.

Yeah, I was considering coming up, because I had such a great time at the last one, but Thursday makes it?

Come for a bit. There's always coffee on Friday morning, u know!

S'true. I offered her half my bed and everything. Now I have a spare half a bed...

speaking as a bloke I guess a measure of your success is that I take it?

Yes, it's an infectious attitude, that I've opted to quarantine myself from.

Pardon? You trolling? You make me look again I'll send you the optometry bill.

Being a bit sensitive (no I didn't watch Modern Family, but Bones and Toy Story?

Brave of him to turn up there..

And banning people for questioning who the pseudonymous pontificating posters are.

That did end up being a very fun conversation, in the end, purely because it demonstrated so perfectly how to be an asshat.

I had to acknowledge to myself that I was basically trolling a lot of the time at Kiwiblog. Didn't seem?

Dude, it's even LESS admirable to turn up at someone's house. That'd be really fucking Not Okay.

I respectfully disagree. It is more productive to address what someone is saying?

This is my problem with most internet arguments. It's why I hate "mansplaining" and "privilege" and all that wank*.?

*Look*. If you're referring to my tweet, the episode was about *motherhood*. And I'm *pregnant*. And... yeah, there's no excuse for that sort of carry-on, really. Pathetic. :)

Hey, I figure if David can goad his commenters into saying things he wants them to, a little bit of taunting just fits the tone of the place.

Indeed.

As you know, I think the use of words as bullying instruments?

Not at all. I wrote a reply fessing up to my own waterworks (Spoiler Alert: have you seen Toy Story 3? I mean when Andy sits down and plays with all the toys... enough), but decided not?

Do you keep stats on the gender breakdown? I do notice that some topics (notably the more political ones) get only a small number of women commenting.

But yes, I certainly feel very comfortable here.

I'm not suggesting brave = admirable. just heard the word "place" differently. never mind.

Way more folk read than comment.

The benefits go to old-boy interests aligned with National, mainly corporate agriculture.

The harms fall on folk they don't understand or care much for, like innovators or ordinary people who need medicine and can't afford health insurance. Thank goodness our strong?

Yeah. In fairness, that's not exclusive, by any means, to the feminists. But we do have a lot of words to throw around.

There was a great example on one of the local blogs recently, (which I won't link to) of someone querying the use?

I don't, but that's for my own reasons, rather than a comment on the community.

So you can have sycophants and Patsies!

There was a great example on one of the local blogs recently, (which I won't link to) of someone querying the use of the term mansplaining, and the writer?

Your hiphop name: LL Cool R.

Are you sure it's not MC Smoove B?

was one of the questions, "Do you have a big scary dog?" ;-)

I don?t, but that?s for my own reasons

Yeah, I don't mostly because it feels futile to me to argue about politics. We?

"We need you to resist our corruption," he enjoined at one point of a speech that frequently dwelt on the lobbyist-ridden state of US politics

That's the least of their problems.
And anyway johnkey is busy selling us to India.
Keeping those dairy herds growing.....

By the time I'd run round the house to find shelter from the rain and startled the poor dog from it's sleep on the back porch, there really wasn't time for questions. I was grateful it was properly tied up though, as?

Kevin Smith wasn't joking when he said that film should've been called Schindler's Toys. I bawled myself silly in the cinema, while the people I went with sat dry-eyed?

I'm occasionally tempted to use "matronising" in gender-appropriate contexts on other websites, but my sense of self-preservation always wins out.

You know it would be nice to have more of them join in.

I have said that one of the things I most value about this community is the diversity of voices. I'd love to see more of them – providing they don't post?

You never feel guilty about the cost to the country's production you cause?:)

Please advise where I can get my salary topped up to meet this demographic. (A substantial top-up will be required – my current contract ends in August!)

Right, because obviously beneficiaries are?

Lessig?s talk was dynamic?

Wasn't he just. And, as I wrote, English was quite the opposite. Finlayson gave the impression he wasn't taking the audience very seriously.

Only occasionally.

I read this while I'm reading and/or writing. It's the break that allows me to relax and then think better when I get back to "work".

You never feel guilty about the cost to the country?s production you cause?:)

Have referred to my visits here as personal development...not sure I'm always joking. I certainly know of one or two other people who would benefit from dropping by.

+1

Yes, indeed. I often worry that come the revolution, if not first against the wall, I will at least make the upper deciles. What can one do? I?

Professor Lessig has just tweeted that being credited with The Public Address Copyright Thread of Doom is ?the greatest reward someone like I could receive."

"I would post but xxxx said what I was going to say"

Which may be true but they probably didn't say it that way you would.

Only you have had your experiences to inform your voice.

I don't mean that we don't?

I?

+1

It's pretty hard to trot on two legs, innit?

What on earth do people do with their time when they're not on the Internet? I don't understand! That's 138+ hours a week not spent on the Internet. Noone needs to sleep that long.

Seriously though,?

Always. But the thought of them there is still very nice.

But I can see how it would help other people?

They once tried to block Trademe here but apparently the CEO was trying to sell his boat and that quickly got changed.

When did we switch from Chardonnay? And where can I find the merlot-swilling semi-bourgoisie?

That is one of this things that is so funny it just has to be true. The stories I could tell about the different set of rules that?

LBN: If you can avoid finding out, you will be the better for it. Trust me on this.

ETA: Reply to: Andre Alessi.

WebMarshall HATES me. But in the cases I'm aware of, something about the specific content of a page has tripped it, rather than the whole site being blanket-banned.

Me, I'm always wondering, why aren't more women joining in? Here more than most places on teh internets, where the reasons why women don't join in are fairly obvious!

What on earth do people do with their time when they?re not?

People should be aware that Marshal products, unlike some other filters, are under the control of the deploying organisation. Whilst there are defaults, you can set trigger words and weightings, whitelist sites and warn rather than block.

[I used to work at Marshal Software. We had no?

Yup. We went through a period when there were a lot of Mail?

On the TPPA front, not all of us have given up.?

Or perhaps not so obvious, in hindsight. I think there's a lot of factors, and it's not just feeling threatened by?

My conference experience is that what is said in the sessions is mostly irrelevant, the value is bumping into people who are interested in the same things that you are interested in and then getting drunk with them. That leads to collaborations?

This may have earned?

It's like there's an initial window of on-topic discussion, but after that window has shut, you cannot talk?

Yes

Maybe now would not be a good time to throw in my "24 hours" digital copyright term proposal. Round about minute 5, but the preceding?

Yes. OTOH, the highly discursive nature of discussions is one of PAS's delights.

Beat me to it. Bart, meet Foo.

Gettin wonky

Classic mansplaining that deserves to be called as such, and I?m?

Sure, and a big factor with the comments sections on many sites is that all the other comments are silly, misinformed and/or pointlessly argumentative, so why would you even bother, regardless of what?

Never noticed that myself. Have struggled to catch up with busy threads but to me that merely reflects the volume and complexity of conversation rather than some never-going-back-to-a-topic tendency. Digressions abound, however.

Really? Or is it something about the *way* we're talking?

See, I don't get that, but that might relate to how many of my?

Definitely noticed that. There's a hot-time. But equally, I've never had a complaint for reintroducing a topic. There's often a lurker?

I've belatedly accepted that this is just how things go,?

Oh Don, don?t make me ?

But okay: the problem with throwing up radical ideas for pushing back copyright ?even as?

Cis privilege.

Yep, there's a time when you just have to sit back and watch the waves crashing on the shore, because keeping up requires ninja type skills, or stimulants.

I don't have statistics, but, apart from a?

The question that leaps to mind is "why doesn't that put the men off?".?

But, still, even by Nielsen's lowball number of 17,000 (context: in Earthquake?

At the time, 300 years ago, the distribution?

AND not having real work to do :-)

I jest. But seriously Internet, you just wait, because if you still exist when?

Actually, there's a long-established pattern of people coming in a bit bristly then?

It is so much more fun to be whimsical than to be angry.

I'd like a different way than term limits altogether.

Guy *so* deserved it

That was?

Plus trolls are often unintentionally funny and/or worth of mocking

As I understand it, it comes from the silencing technique used against many feminists, in which a, uh, mansplainer will tell them ?you?re hurting your cause by being angry; if you were just *nicer* about it then all the non-feminists would listen to you?

David Cauchi recently expressed his disgust at Kracklite's slightly cruel tormenting of the P-Troll on his last visit here.

What David didn't realise was that P was a genuinely destructive troll, and sometimes a hurtful one, who had returned under?

lurkers still massively outnumber commenters

I think that's because so many people here are reasonably experienced internet arguers — right back to Usenet and listservs

I believe the above issues to be somewhat connected. This goes further than the intimidating scope of knowledge and expertise demonstrated by many who comment?

Gotcha.

Yes

Which is another way of saying most of us have been total asshats ourselves online and have (slowly) learned how to avoid asshatary and actually say something useful – which this isn't – so – it being hometime and all...

(EXCEPT- Humber Super Snipes, a car I?

Since when has that not been a right? I'm outta here...

When I want to make the next Ben Hur (or whatever) I will need to go to the money men. Unfortunately the money men have money precisely because they can exploit my creativity. As to how this equation gets re-balanced is quite beyond me.?

Time to go make dinner for Mrs 81st and Mr.3 I think.

The largest Commer trucks had a really fantastically innovative two-stroke engine. I have various fond memories of being with my Dad when he would suddenly?

That's a good way of putting it.

But it's still reasonable to ask the rights owners sector to get its act together when it?

Likewise. Corporate copyright is a completely?

To fix it seven years on the basis of what was done 300 years ago seems as meaninglessly arbitrary than fixing it at 120 years, or death plus?

I'm quite enjoying having a, er, safe place talking about some of the recent feminist blogosphere things. And I feel bound to say that in particular Queen of Thorns has a dazzling, intelligent prose?

I'm saying you're just the crazy kind of guy who's gonna do that.

As with mansplaining, it is a thing. Women aren't meant to be angry, so it's a way of saying 'stop worrying your pretty little head over it', and play nice. It's just another way of shutting down argument.

But so is "stop tone argumenting me!!!!1!"

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Mickey Mouse is a weird one. In my childhood memories Mickey has no association at all with anything other than branding of various dubious consumer?

Yeah, I mean if it hasn't reached copyright or been Goodwinned by page 7, we just aren't doing it right.

Not to worry, some of those government officials will be crossing over to beneficiary soon enough.

Whatchoo talkin' 'bout? There's heaps of jobs on TradeMe!

Yes, I think you are right. Though not necessarily in the commercial/non-commercial split. I think that split is false and certainly something that is (mostly) avoided in the free/open source software world.

I do wonder?

Maybe. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with them holding the rights over the works of AA Milne for longer than absolutely necessary.

You are quite right but mickey mouse as an entertainment and cultural device has now seen three generations of use. I think artists are entitled to see mickey as a legitimate creative device to be re-worked. We might have got?

Had to go back a page to catch up. It's not generally like that here, but the editorial oversight committee has some pretty big props apostrophe but even my years as an EFL teacher didn't prepare me for the high standard of prose encountered here for?

Well, you could – http://www.adempiere.com/ADempiere_ERP

But you knew I was going to say that, right?

I think if you were to suggest that our culture lacks the means of doing mash-ups and pastiche, that would be... a hard sell. Anything that limits our obsession with recycling stuff honestly at this?

Gah, unmarked NSF(certain kinds of)W...

No, that's very interesting – thanks for the link.

+1

And?

I learned to drive on my father?s 1956 Humber Super Snipe (under my mother?s tuition.)*
Which is why I can say I?ve been driving for 50 years.
I?ve driven the Snipe through a mud plug-?

Also, when people fall off the rails, you don't just abandon them to the wolves (unless they deserve it, of course ;-) ), you put effort into maintaining the ethos of the community, while acknowledging the needs of the individual, often behind the scenes. As a?

Damn, and I was going to talk about cars.

At least two of my threads have been derailed by conversations about cars. I secretly love it. I find the organic nature of the conversation delightful.

A big improvement on "don't have one".
#progress

Ok, just a little. The Gazelle was our wedding car. The funniest part was when the rather nice hotel we stayed in, with valet parking, had to ask us to park it ourselves, because of all those nasty gears, and that clutch thingy. Speaking?

because of all those nasty gears, and that clutch thingy.

And a column shifter! My only Hillman was a Californian
Cream and Green

allows a rather different relationship with opportunity and security than poverty offers. Hence the p word.

Awesome! Still dreaming of the Sunbeam Rapier Series 3a Convertible. Now that?s a car of privilege.

ETA: 'And a column shifter!' Funny how I'd forgotten that added complication, as it just seemed 'normal'. He did look rather bemused.

But that's not what privilege is. And that's where my problem?

For me, it was a lot of things. I don't comment on the political posts, because professionally, it is difficult. But also, I was intimidated by the Very Smart People here. Invariably, I'd go to say?

Yeah, in this particular context, that word isn't about how you as an individual were brought up, or how much money your parents had, or whatever. It's about shit you don't have to deal with because society treats your... qualities? characteristics?... as normative.

I've noticed that I only comment when people talk about lurkers – pretty sure this was the last time I commented, ooh, about 4 years ago. I'm the archetypal lurker. I'd offer myself as a research?

Yes. When our way of being in the world matches the main way that society and institutions are set up we have (often unquestioned) power. Along many dimensions.