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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think Moore sees himself as the after-dinner raconteur, when he's actually more like the embarrassing uncle at the wedding.</p></blockquote><p>Nice one. Kiwibloggers appear to be rushing to claim him as one of their own, suggesting to me that he's finally found his constituency.</p>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Kiwibloggers appear to be rushing to claim him as one of their own, suggesting to me that he's finally found his constituency.</p></blockquote><p>has there been some kind of shady back-room deal?</p><p>bolger for moore, i mean.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 10:59:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Richard Llewellyn</title>
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						<p>Mike Moore ..... sorry, still can't get past the Lamb-burgers.</p><p>Good luck with the anti-family violence campaign &ndash; for a public awareness campaign to be considered too successful (a'la the JK depression ads) in terms of stimulating demand is, I think, both fantastic (effectiveness) and faintly depressing (that the demand?</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Che, I think he's lining up for his run at the leadership of ACT. As self-appointed 3rd fiddle to Douglas and Prebble, he is hampered only by having once been the leader of the Labour Party. But he can believably claim to have been a sleeper, having done more damage?
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<p>Yes, good luck.  This is a great thing to be doing. </p><p>It would be good if the All Blacks donated the 'man of the match' prize to Women's Refuge, or Barnadoes, or or another agency that is working directly with families to stop violence, instead of the nice, safe, charities?</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Che, I think he's lining up for his run at the leadership of ACT</p></blockquote><p>I'd be surprised if ACT hadn't been on the phone to him already. They do seem to be a match.</p><p>Wonder if he can dance?</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p>Contrasting Moore with Bolger is interesting. Both have gone on to reasonably high posts but whereas Bolger is possibly more respected now than when he was leader, I suspect Moore has slid significantly from his WTO high.</p><p>As a researcher for Labour, I recall Moore being an odd character within?</p>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						I've got not problem with Mike Moore expressing his opinions, it's no worse than what happens here every other day. I'd be interested in hearing some sane reasons why he should STFU. But RB's characterisation is apt:<blockquote>I think Moore sees himself as the after-dinner raconteur, when he's actually more like?</blockquote>
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				<title>Paul Litterick</title>
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						Yes, the uncle at the wedding or that drunk father in the ALAC ad who wants to dance with his daughter; or the Ancient Mariner. I could imagine Moore pinning a hapless guest against a wall to tell him these "I used to be a contender" stories, but to write?
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						The sanctimonious nature of everyone in that ALAC ad is enough to drive anyone to drink.
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						International, you do have a point that everyone's allowed their spiel. The Herald does regularly publish Coddington, so I guess even Moore's troll isn't dropping the standard. I guess it's just that people don't expect ex-leaders of the country to make such a mockery of the position either by what?
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						It's a well recognised convention in the USA that a former President <strong>never</strong> criticises a sitting President.
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm not writing because I'm bored, I write because I can. My columns are carried in six countries. My last book was published in several languages and is in its third edition. I've written more books than Anderton's read.</p></blockquote><p>And I have a website! It's like a blog. I get?</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						I think the convention that former PMs/presidents avoid criticising current PMs/presidents exists not because they don't have anything to say, they most certainly do, but because they know better than anyone the limitations of office and the necessity of compromise.
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Paul I don't agree. I think the reason it's not done is because it sounds so lame and petty.
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<p>The MO exposed in The Hollow Men, accuse your opponents of doing exactly the sort of thing you are doing yourself to deflect attention from what you are doing.</p><blockquote><p>I've written more books than Anderton's read.</p></blockquote><p>Character assassination, Muldoonism, yadda yadda. I wonder whether Basset is ghosting these columns for?</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And I have a website! It's like a blog.</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.kazunderworld.com/archive/762.gif" target="_blank">http://www.kazunderworld.com/archive/762.gif</a></p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I wonder whether Basset is ghosting these columns for Moore, there seems to be a certain consistency of approach.</p></blockquote><p>Or is it just a lack of imagination? Perhaps he isn't fit to lead ACT after all.</p>
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						<p>All this makes one kind of nostalgic for that 1984 ? 87 Lange government.  All that talent , all the excitement, and all that bitchiness.</p><p>Even the really boring ones like Palmer, Shirley and Dunne inadvertently went on to add some political spice later on.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Meh... The kindest thing you can say about the pissing match between Moore and the Anderton/Williams tag-team is that some kinks should be practised behind closed doors, and preferably in an uncarpeted room.  Can't believe I'm saying this, from a partisan angle, but who would have guessed watching Labour make?
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				<title>Tom Beard</title>
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						<blockquote><p>One line spun that is about promoting Phil Goff, who I also sprayed in the article, was pure Nixon.</p></blockquote><p>Is it just me, or is that a really, really poorly constructed sentence? Even in context, it's hard to work out what on earth he's talking about.</p><blockquote><p>The sanctimonious nature of?</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<blockquote><p>As for strange music covers, I quite like these 'celebrity' Pixies covers <a href="http://www.pottymouth.org/mcpt/" target="_blank">in particular the Bob Marley one</a></p></blockquote><p>Those are brilliant! I thought it might be cheesy, but somehow hearing a man doing a Tina Turner impersonation singing "River Euphrates", well, it just sounded <em>good</em>.</p>
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				<title>Andrew Smith</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The campaign against family violence that I'm part of launches at Parliament today.</p></blockquote><p>Good on you Russell and the others for fronting up to this issue. I do have a concern, though, that celebreties fronting these issues sometimes make the issue somewhat 'cool' for the moment but long-term the lustre?</p>
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						<p>Tom B; the girl who parks it after getting out of the cab is my favourite.</p><p>Interestingly, it is her ?twin? who is the most annoying of the lot.</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Exactly! While the drunk versions of the characters end up committing some atrociously embarrassing acts, overall it's hard not to get the impression that they'd be better company than their sober selves.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, Drunk Dad seems like a hoot. Wouldn't you rather have a sozzled knees-up with him than hang?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Ah, that page! I forgot all about it. 'Levitate Me' in the style of the Beach Boys was my favourite, as I recall.</p></blockquote><p>Ew that was horrible &ndash; but not quite as bad as 'Wave of Mutilation' getting the (sob) Bee Gees treatment.  Don't know about anyone else, but half?</p>
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				<title>Terence Wood</title>
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						The really depressing thing about that Moore column is not what it says about Labour (nothing, other than a reminder of the depths to which they plunged in the 1980s), nor even what it says about Moore himself (vacuous and grammatically challenged), but rather what it says about the quality?
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				<title>Michael  Fitzgerald</title>
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						<p>"The sanctimonious nature of everyone in that ALAC ad is enough to drive anyone to drink."</p><p>I don't know, the situation of that ad was someone elses wedding and Dad &amp; his daughter were guests and it was closer to how I remebered the last time I did a back spin?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>This isn't a partisan point: were I a right-winger I would be just as frustrated. There are much better critiques of the government that could be being made.</p></blockquote><p>Terence, didn't you get the memo: The media are all Key's tame bitches anyway or tools of the dykeocracy or something... so?</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What does Moore do these days?</p></blockquote><p>As far as I could tell from the Listener piece on him a while back, he basks in the sun while his surprisingly hot wife swans around in a bikini.</p><p>Mike! (to steal someone else's line) where did it all go wrong?</p>
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						<p>Basking must pay well then, because Moore is quoted in the NZH as claiming: " It's an honour each week to pay more tax than a minister earns. I've discovered capitalism late in life."</p><p>Making head or tail of that first sentence isn't especially easy either.</p>
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						<p>Did Audrey Young really write<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/author/story.cfm?a_id=164&amp;objectid=10460525&amp;pnum=2" target="_blank"> this</a>? If so, does she believe it?</p><blockquote><p>Moore may not have sway in the caucus any longer but he is still a popular and credible figure in New Zealand.</p></blockquote><p>In terms of his <em>popularity</em>, my hunch would be that (at least until last week), more than?</p>
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				<title>Rob Hosking</title>
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						<p>In respsone to whoever suggested Bassett is ghosting Moore &ndash; I doubt it.  The style is pure Moore. I know a lot of people posting here won't like Bassett, but he can write and he can do joined up thinking. </p><p>And isn't Anderton happy?  No-one's paid him this much attention?</p>
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						<p>DC, that is surprising about Neeson?s billboard.</p><p>He?s obviously far more in touch with his constituency than I?d imagined.</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Maybe Moore should take up blogging?</p></blockquote><p>I think he should start with something less technically demanding. It appears there are blogs who'd cheerfully have him as a commenter.</p><p>Bur seriously: as I said last week, if Moore's prose reads like that <em>after</em> editing, what was it like when he filed?</p>
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				<title>WH</title>
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						Moore's efforts have been quixotic and unfocussed in the sense that they invited the needless distraction of controversy.  Given his status as an ex-Labour PM, it is strange that he chose to attack the party he still claims to support.  He must have known that the reaction he would get.?
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				<title>Mal McDonald</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Bur seriously: as I said last week, if Moore's prose reads like that after editing, what was it like when he filed it?</p></blockquote><p>Amen to that: Mike's always needed editing.</p><p>When I was working in the Radio NZ newsroom as a tape op back in '93 Mike Moore would regularly?</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						I think some ex-Prime Ministers should be listened to. My memory of Mike Moore is that he took over Labour about 6 weeks out from the election, kept it in freefall, and was about as unsuccessful as a PM or leader can be. I'm not even sure if he was?
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And isn't Anderton happy? No-one's paid him this much attention since early 2002.</p></blockquote><p>Certainly -and it must be a wee ego boost when <a href="http://www.beehive.govt.nz/ViewDocument.aspx?DocumentID=30482" target="_blank">this</a> must have him quietly spewing into his cornflakes.  If that isn't an admission that Anderton's 'jobs machine' never worked, I don't know what is.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's not exactly a stirring resume, and I can't see how it all qualifies him to comment on a third term, first-elected female, prime minister who's recognised as an international leader of some stature.</p></blockquote><p>Kyle, I think we're well aware &ndash; and have been for many years &ndash; that Helen?</p>
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				<title>Jonathan Maze</title>
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						The "embarrassing uncle" comment is brilliant.  Moore is an odd figure, his columns never hit the mark. They are pompous and full of self importance, and in these most recent examples, bitterness.  It still clearly irks him that alot of people still don't take him seriously.  I remember a silly?
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<p>I don't think Kyle was making it a gender issue Craig. The only thing Kyle is guilty of is overstating Clark's stature abroad! She didn't even get a shout-out from Hillary Clinton on <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hq-hkylARiE&amp;mode=related&amp;search=" target="_blank">Letterman</a> (which surely <em>proves</em> they're both Lesbians, right? a global dykeocracy is a comin'!!)</p><p>But seriously .... Clark's?</p>
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				<title>Michael  Fitzgerald</title>
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						I don't like Clark for her personal insults to my family on the West Coast (that's of the Sth Island. The East Coast is only in the Nth Island :) & oh yeah the out lawing of basic human rights to test laws in court of a specific 'race', or as?
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p>Richard Llewellyn said</p><blockquote><p>Mike Moore ..... sorry, still can't get past the Lamb-burgers.</p></blockquote><p>dc_red said:</p><blockquote><p>Did Audrey Young really write this? If so, does she believe it?</p><p>"Moore may not have sway in the caucus any longer but he is still a popular and credible figure in New Zealand."</p></blockquote><p>It?</p>
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				<title>Terence Wood</title>
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						<p>Whenever I think about Mike Moore I end up recalling  a tiny snippet memory of Mcphael and Gadsby (sorry about the spelling) parodying him.</p><p>"And then you put it in the <strong>Mike</strong>-rowave"</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>Craig, commenting that Clark is a woman is not utterly irrelevant. It's been historically much harder for woman to become the PM of NZ, so it makes it more of an achievement. Certainly way more of an achievement than Moore's laughable term, and I think that's what Kyle's saying. </p><p>Sure,?</p>
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				<title>Steve Curtis</title>
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						<p>I think you are strectching a small bow over the ..-gasp... two category five hurricanes .<br />As this chart of the hurricane tracks shows , the Cat 5 status only lasts some few hours. <br /><a href="http://www.weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/2007/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/2007/index.html</a><br />This can only be estimated by remote sensing, and like many stats they are revised?</p>
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				<title>Steve Curtis</title>
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						The 1780 Atlantic hurricane season was extraordinarily destructive, and was the deadliest Atlantic hurricane season in recorded history with over 25,000 deaths. Three different hurricanes, all in October, caused at least 1,000 deaths each; this event has never been repeated and only in the 1893 and 2005 seasons were there?
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote>Kyle, I think we're well aware &ndash; and have been for many years &ndash; that Helen Margaret Clark is a woman. How that "disqualifies" Moore &ndash; or anyone else who happens to have a penis rather than a vagina &ndash; from commenting on her performance as Prime Minister, the parliamentary?</blockquote>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Just saw the ad on Maori TV, Russell. Nice one. Reminds me of the language we use at kindergarten &ndash; "It's not nice to hit other people". I sometimes think, bollocks to that, it's all a bit polite. Nevertheless, it's a message that needs supporting.
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p>Helen....in the centre of Java it never ceases to amaze...when the inevitable "anda berasal dimana?" question comes (where are you from?), and I respond "Dari Selandia Baru". A smile is as as often as not followed by "Helen Clark!".</p><p>She has legs.....</p>
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