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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:59:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						Mmmmm Tuna
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				<title>Sue</title>
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						<p>obviously you need to check in with Mr Tibby and Mr Judd regarding all BBQ decisions.</p><p>trust me they know their shizzle</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:08:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>...the Bloggers' Triple Pack for only $60. That's like getting one whole book for free!</p></blockquote><p>But more like getting one whole book for $15.05 ...</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:30:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>If you've got a honking great barbeque, clearly the answer is:<br />&ndash; First snags to shut the kids up NOW.<br />&ndash; Seared tuna entree for the grown ups now that you've figured out where the hot spots are and learned to drive the new bbq.<br />&ndash; Get pissed while the?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:35:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Get pissed while the chook cooks</p></blockquote><p>I usually don't let her near the bbq. I can manage to both at the same time.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>- Get pissed while the chook cooks &ndash; if butterflied it will take less than an hour to roast golden brown and crispy under the lid.</p></blockquote><p>This has been a revelation. The butterflied chook cooks better in 45 mins with the hood down than it does in 90 mins in?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:45:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joanna</title>
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						Does your bbq have a flat plate? Because if so, you want to get an eggplant, slice it into 7mm-ish slices, brush it all over with lots and lots of extra virgin olive oil, cook it on the flat plate until it's greenish, translucent and charred, and then shove it?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:57:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lee Taylor</title>
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						<blockquote><p>trust me they know their shizzle</p></blockquote><p>or should that be sizzle?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:01:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JP Hansen</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Well, It's Business Time</p></blockquote><p>Well, in that case I hope you're wearing your business socks, Russell.</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>Yes, the spatchcock chicken is turning into a reliable party piece at my place.</p><p>The next step is:<br />&ndash; make a paste of garlic, parsley, salt, ground pepper and a little lemon juice.<br />&ndash; carefully pull away the skin at either either of the butterflied chicken.<br />&ndash; smoosh the paste?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:24:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mikaere Curtis</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Mmmmm Tuna</p></blockquote><p>How would "Mmmmm Orange Roughy" sound ?  </p><p>'Cos if you are eating Pacific Bluefin, then you are voting them off the planet &ndash; one mouthful at a time. </p><p>Checkout the <a href="http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/bestfishguide/bestfishguide.pdf" target="_blank">Forest &amp; Bird guide</a> and you'll see Pacific Bluefin are right down at the bottom with the poor Orange?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:26:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						Just a wee correction, The Newmatics track is simply Broadcast..the EP was called Broadcast OR..which meant Broadcast Our Record, because in those days, nobody would!
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:18:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yes, the spatchcock chicken is turning into a reliable party piece at my place.</p></blockquote><p>Pics plz! Cos the <a href="http://vital.org.nz/barbeque-lamb.html" target="_blank">lamb barbecue</a> pics are hawt.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:52:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Anne M</title>
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						<p>Please, please Russell, pre-cook the chook.</p><p>Part of my job is collecting Campylobacter from retail chickens and they're usually pulsating full of it. Some 60% of human infections (and NZ is Campylobacter Capital of the World) are related to chicken consumption. And our statistician-y chap is collecting the sales data?</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p>Tim Pankhurst (via Steve Price) does indeed make some interesting points.</p><p>I liked the fact that the paper published parts of the affidavit. I would have preferred if it had been done after the trial, rather than before. But I like a media that is prepared to run close to?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:55:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Please, please Russell, pre-cook the chook.</p></blockquote><p>but it ain't a real barbie unless you invite Sam &amp; Ella...</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Please, please Russell, pre-cook the chook.</p><p>Part of my job is collecting Campylobacter from retail chickens and they're usually pulsating full of it.</p></blockquote><p>Oh, I'm pretty wary about that, don't worry. But the temperature inside the hood and the direct contact with the hotplate do seem to have a remarkable?</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>Anne, I'd consider your advice if grilling chicken pieces, but the technique we're talking about involves covering the meat with a lid. It's effectively roasted just as well as in an oven. I usually use an instant-read thermometer to check the internal temperature too.</p><p>If it helps, I do a?</p>
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				<title>Andrew Smith</title>
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						Hey, this is probably my last post (trumpet at dawn), so thanks to you all for your good manners and excellent discussions this year. Thanks Russell for the thoughtful way you approach issues. God Bless.
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				<title>Andrew Smith</title>
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						oops...the trumpet in the evening I meant...
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:11:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Hamilton</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Robin:  here's one I prepared earlier.</p></blockquote><p>Yum. Would a PA food blog be too left white middle class? BTW Stephen I made your bagels for brunch when I was staying with friends in Norway recently. They were absolutely delicious and garnered lots of good feedback.</p><p>My next feat will be?</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Cos if you are eating Pacific Bluefin, then you are voting them off the planet &ndash; one mouthful at a time.</p></blockquote><p>Do you buy anything Japanese? Do you have children?</p><p>The Japanese eat 90% of the worlds Tuna, support their economy and you support their fishing industry as well. Sure?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:31:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Robin: here's one I prepared earlier.</p></blockquote><p>OMG. I think I'm going to have to try some spatchcockery over Christmas with the whanau.</p>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						Right on, Mikaere! We can't keep on eating tuna. It is a dangerously unsustainable fishery resource. I totally agree. The fact that the Japanese eat a lot of it is irrelevant. Just because China keeps on building coal fired plants doesn't mean we should also do so.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:54:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hey, this is probably my last post (trumpet at dawn), so thanks to you all for your good manners and excellent discussions this year. Thanks Russell for the thoughtful way you approach issues. God Bless.</p></blockquote><p>Thanks Andrew-- I've appreciated your ability in making your arguments. That's what makes the place?</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>If you *cough* ask some overseas friends they may send you Alton Brown's <em>Good Eats</em>  episode called "A Bird In The Pan", which is what inspired me to do this. He shows you how to butterfly the chicken neatly.</p><p>That's my standard way of roasting chickens in the oven now.?</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And am I the only one thinking it can't really be nearly two weeks to Christmas because it feels like it's that time already?</p></blockquote><p>Well I for one am glad, I haven't started my Christmas shopping yet.</p>
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<p>Just in regards to the 'Word of the Year' competition, here are this year's Merriam-Webster results.</p><p><a href="http://www.m-w.com/info/07words.htm" target="_blank">http://www.m-w.com/info/07words.htm</a></p><p><strong>w00t!</strong></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:19:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Sure my Tuna eating contributes but ya know I've done my bit for the planet by not having children (see second question).</p></blockquote><p>Children are bad for tuna? Only if they're driven out to do deep sea fishing surely.</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<p>Would it be more environmentally sound to spatchcock and/or sear some random children, leaving the tuna to roam the seas at will?*</p><p>*with apologies to Jonathan Swift</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Children are what Japanese longliners use for bait.
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				<title>Mikaere Curtis</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Do you buy anything Japanese? Do you have children?</p></blockquote><p>The old I-don't-have-kids card only works if said kids are brought up to lead a life of ignorant (and/or wilful) consumerism, as opposed to making choices that promote sustainability.  </p><p>And if we follow the "<insert community> are way worse than us" approach?</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Mikaere, when I do the chicken on a barbeque, I set it up like in <a href="http://vital.org.nz/barbeque/lambstart.jpeg" target="_blank">this picture</a>, with the coals at the sides and a drip tray underneath, and a lid on top. The chicken like the lamb is typically pretty fatty and you would get nasty creosote tastes?
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				<title>Max Call</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.weber.com/bbq/pub/grill/2007/charcoal/RanchKettle.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.weber.com/bbq/pub/grill/2007/charcoal/RanchKettle.aspx</a></p><p>tho' my one is quite a bit older than this and doesn't look as fancy...</p><p>our favourite is to bone and stuff a roast pork<br />amazing flavour and stays juicy</p><p>but lamb, beef and chicken are fantastic too though<br />only problem is that you can only buy the coals?</p>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						For the ultimate christmas BBQ real-man recipe, you can't go past the <a href="http://www.cookingforengineers.com/recipe/144/Smoked-Beer-Can-Turkey" target="_blank">smoked beer can turkey</a>. Since you have a couple of those Heinie kegs lying around, how can you resist...
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						<blockquote><p>I prefer dry rubs (chili powder, garlic, rosemary, salt) to oil marinades because lamb fat tends to flame and oil only makes it worse.</p></blockquote><p>or you can try yoghurt based marinade.<br />natural unsweetened yoghurt (thick greek is better) and add garlic, salt, pepper and other herbs and spices of your?</p>
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						<p>Max: <a href="http://sunnyo.blogspot.com/2007/11/health-concerns-over-bbq-fuel-whats.html" target="_blank">Llew put the wind up me with this one</a>.</p><p>I have good success using plain charcoal and the odd lump of wood.</p>
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						<p>robyn move down to Wellington and i promise that by the simple act of plying mr judd and  mr tibby with various forms of alchool  beautiful BBQ will be yours.</p><p>YUMMY!!!</p><p>although i doubt they will ever do coca cola chicken</p>
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						<p>F***! I just ran down to my garage to check my BBQ fuel.</p><p>It is 'Heat Beads' which is from Australia<br />Typical composition<br />Fixed Carbon approx 70%<br />Ash approx 17%<br />Water approx 7%<br />"Other" approx 6%</p><p>are these the briquettes you mean?</p><p>We tried the cheap coal once and and?</p>
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						<p>I have used those "Heat Beads" in the past and they seemed fine. No odd smells or anything. They are exactly the kind of briquette the Weber is designed to use.</p><p>It might pay to steer clear of very cheap and perhaps not-so-cheerful brands though.</p>
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						Those heat beads are the primo briquettes, don't bother with substitutes. My many years of slaving over wood-fired BBQs, enduring the ribbing of my gas-powered mates, at least taught me not to scrimp on the fuel.
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						<p>aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh &ndash; lost my reply!</p><p>anyway &ndash; long story short<br />yay heat beads (no longer have to re-work Christmas day menu)</p><p>try this site for inspiration when lacking</p><p><a href="http://cuisine.co.nz/index.cfm?pageID=349&amp;r=8" target="_blank">http://cuisine.co.nz/index.cfm?pageID=349&amp;r=8</a></p>
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						<p>Mikaere</p><blockquote><p>The old I-don't-have-kids card only works if said kids are brought up to lead a life of ignorant (and/or wilful) consumerism, as opposed to making choices that promote sustainability.</p></blockquote><p>Last post on this from me.</p><p>You characterised my eating of Tuna as something environmentally unsound. Yet you know nothing?</p>
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						I'd be more worried about the environmental effects of not eating Tuna. You have to get protein from somewhere. The alternatives apparently fart a lot and that's bad for the planet. And if I just eat soy, I fart a lot and that's also bad for the planet.
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						@bart.  OMG &ndash; commit suicide already!  At least be consistent!!  And don't you know... every time you do not reproduce 2.2 children, they have to import those New Zealand culture-changing (shhh) foreigners!  You're a gutless traitor!!!
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						<blockquote><p>I figure on balance I'm so far ahead of most folks by that one simple act that I can afford to lose a little Karma by eating some Tuna</p></blockquote><p>Tuna becoming extinct is related only to how much tuna people eat, not anything else.</p>
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						May I suggest that you can also try as an  alternative ,our abundent farmed salmon. This is extremely rich in protein and as an oily fish, much omega 3. After my man finishes his woodworx for the day (with sustainable wood naturally) , I find the workshop shavings are a?
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						Oh and Ben... I think the fart issues are also sorted.
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						My farts will smell like honey?
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						I was thinking more that there is a reduction in farts.... although , if you cook, your partner may call you" honey".
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						<blockquote><p>I find the workshop shavings are a perfect infusion fora piece of salmon on foil with a touch of lemon and honey atop to be hot smoked for 5 to 10 mins</p></blockquote><p>If you're feeling really decadent, sprinkle some Laphriog Single Malt over the salmon as well. Goes down a?</p>
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						<p>Tuna fishing has more impact than on the supply/survival of Tuna. The stuff in the can is often the mangled fish from trawlers which rip up the sea bed and have a huge impact on the aquatic environment beyond one species.</p><p>Fin fish farming is still very much in its?</p>
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						Yep.. My point was that it is farmed, can be enjoyed without raiding the sea,easy to cook and tastes great and costs less. Thats our Xmas lunch/dinner. And you are right Shep. I am all for respect for the planet.It is such an easy thing to do,  if only people?
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						<p>Ben &ndash; Lamb is pretty enviro-friendly too.</p><p>Sofie &ndash; It was salmon being farmed &ndash; right? <br />If there were tuna farms that would be a sight to see.<br />There is the whole colonisation of the water issue as well. Salmon &amp; Trout replacing Eel &amp; Fresh water crays.</p><p>Less selfish &amp; more Shellfish?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Sofie &ndash; It was salmon being farmed &ndash; right?</p></blockquote><p>Sorry, I was talking salmon earlier and stream of consciousness an' all. Yes Salmon. Also  water.... I think that is becoming a world bank grab . Another selfish lot.</p>
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						<p>Yes &ndash; I'm in Canty and the Dairy Ind is primarily about the export of free water via pasture &amp; cows to supply milk to the world (95% exported). <br />The dairy companies already consider the farmers allocation of water to be a tradable resource, although that is currently illeagal.</p><p>"New Zealand?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>If you're feeling really decadent, sprinkle some Laphriog Single Malt over the salmon as well. Goes down a treat.</p></blockquote><p>Clutches bottle of Quarter Cask close to heart... I guess I can't really imagine feeling quite <strong>that</strong> decadent! Maybe some Bowmore or something.</p><p>To Russell &ndash; yeah those Broil Kings really?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I say Aucks are dirty B'stards</p></blockquote><p>Well, never wash the (very small) car and we get enough rain to water our jungle. We are also welcome into our local @ 4, workboots and all and it's pub of the year!<br /> More  to the point, I noted $3.50 for Butter!  (which?</p>
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						<p>Wanting to convert from grass to tussock &ndash; alas it rather clashes with a little resident who is a very active participant in Rugby, cricket and anthing else designed to break windows.</p><p>$3.50 for butter  &ndash; see the global economy works. This is their competitive advantage as any other world?</p>
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						Does the Bible not tell us that the Lord has given us dominion over the animals? That means we can eat as much of the f@ckers as we like, surely? When there's nothing left to eat we'll find alternatives, surely? Just think of all the foods that people from other?
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						<blockquote><p>Does the Bible not tell us that the lord has given us dominion over the animals?</p></blockquote><p>Ha! Thats why I never read it!(as she pats the dog)What if it meant it is our duty to look after all animals, human species included.</p><blockquote><p>why does the price of Margerine rise along?</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>why does the price of Margerine rise along with the price of Butter?</p></blockquote><p>Same reason that war in the Middle East has meant that oil from everywhere else in the world has gone up in price.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>why does the price of Margerine rise along with the price of Butter?</p></blockquote><p>Because margarine doesn't want to be seen as the "cheap" alternative to butter. It is an equal*.</p><p><br />* Oh, yuck, I hate margarine!</p>
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