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Hard News: So far from trivial

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  • Russell Brown,

    It's really normal (as in lotsof people do it ) to comment on other's appearance. Because it's "normal" it's the stuff we need to think about.

    I do understand the point you're making. But in this context, it was actually relevant.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    What exactly is Ana Ivanovic (world womens tennis number 1) trying to trade on here? I don't see a tennis racket anywhere. She's given the green light for people to discuss her physical appearance as she is attempting to boost her profile, and bank account along with it.

    I'm totally relaxed abut sportspeople being media sex symbols (cf: Dan Carter).

    They generally have amazing bodies and move gracefully, and that makes them good to look at -- the Greeks understood that. Indeed, I suspect it is still a major motivation for watching the Olympics ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Yamis,

    Back on (a) topic, now that it seems he threw her down some stairs, went down the bottom, kicked the hell out of her and then left her there for 6 hours unconscious I feel much better. I thought he'd done something really bad, but it was clearly just a spur of the moment thing where he made a bad decision for 21,600 seconds.

    Since Nov 2006 • 903 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    now that it seems he threw her down some stairs, went down the bottom, kicked the hell out of her and then left her there for 6 hours unconscious I feel much better. I thought he'd done something really bad, but it was clearly just a spur of the moment thing where he made a bad decision for 21,600 seconds.

    not wanting to question "unknown unnamed source" or why I shouldn't take everything written in the paper as absolute fact lets work a time line shall we. it may add up.

    3 hrs in hospital before he went to his radio job. (anyone knows when that starts?)
    6 hrs in unconscious down stairs.
    30 mins approx to take her to hospital
    2 hrs arguing
    xx mins to eat a dinner?
    arrived at what time?

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • LegBreak,

    Robbery,

    In the studio by 5 a.m apparently.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1162 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Back on (a) topic, now that it seems he threw her down some stairs, went down the bottom, kicked the hell out of her and then left her there for 6 hours unconscious I feel much better.

    Assuming the Herald has got things correct there, that's an astounding story. That's not just violence, which is terrible. That's a complete failure of his humanity. Fucked up.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Yamis,

    Well Sherlock ;)

    His radio show starts about 6am. I think he needs to get up sometime around 3 or 4am to get in and prepare so presume he would have gone from the hospital around then.

    Subtracting that the incident may or may not have been sometime around the early evening with the trip to hospital sometime after midnight.

    I expect to be quoted in tomorrows newspaper.

    Since Nov 2006 • 903 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    so if its a midnight tripto the hospital, and she was on the floor for 6 hrs and they argued for 2 hrs then that's a dinner time round about 4pm. these media types sure do keep strange eating hours.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    these media types sure do keep strange eating hours.

    If you got up at 3 or 4 in the morning, you probably would too.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    any one got a plan to his house?
    is it 2 story?
    is the living area and kitchen on the top story?

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    There's a simple answer to that :)
    I wouldn't get up at 4 in the morning.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Yamis,

    They said "up to" 6 hours (and the 2 hours arguing may be a fair bit less) so it may have been 5 and a half or whatever, but whether it was 6 minutes or 6 hours its unfreakenbelievable.

    For the record though we often eat at about 5:20. I know this because I seem to be stuffing my face at the dinner table as deal or no deal culminates. I have to watch the news on prime because bubs gets control of the TV from 6 until bedtime.

    Since Nov 2006 • 903 posts Report Reply

  • Yamis,

    any one got a plan to his house?
    is it 2 story?
    is the living area and kitchen on the top story?

    Let me help

    Since Nov 2006 • 903 posts Report Reply

  • andrew llewellyn,

    I'm just wondering Robbery - does throwing doubt upon the feasibility of the timeline throw doubt on the veracity of the whole story (so far)?

    And what if it turns out his houise is single storied? SOmeone cam gleefully claim "Look, he can't have thrown her down the stairs after all, he just gave her a savage kicking!"

    I mean, does this speculative detail matter? At this stage anyway. All will be revealed in the fullness of time.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2075 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    They said "up to" 6 hours

    I'm not despuiting the crapness of leaving any victim of a beating you've just administer unattended on the floor for any amount of time. What I'm noting is the abysmal standaqrd of what passes for reporting and news.
    "up to 6 hours", what kind of a statement is that? who are they getting this info from,
    as I said earlier, police report, court documents, veitch's own lips, powell's own lips,
    I don't want to ever hear anything out of holmes' mouth again,
    The hearld can top pretending to be news and resize themselves to a tabloid and write fiction above most of the stories it applies to. I'm just glad I didn't fork out real money for that paper. then I would have been ripped off twice.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • andrew llewellyn,

    What I'm noting is the abysmal standaqrd of what passes for reporting and news.

    I wonder if there's a bit of "let's see how far we can push it before he denies it"? At this stage I can't imagine him suing.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2075 posts Report Reply

  • WH,

    I agree that there should be an accounting (as there should be after all offending) but that accounting is primarily owed to the victims of the offence.

    Since Nov 2006 • 797 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    I mean, does this speculative detail matter?

    apparently not to you mr shattered spine, or was it crushed? :)
    yeah, I think its really important considering how emotive this is,
    did he throw her down the stairs or not?

    I mean, does this speculative detail matter? At this stage anyway.

    depends if you're the talk back radio type, or a facts kinda guy.
    I'm sort of the later

    All will be revealed in the fullness of time.

    so in the meantime can we just make shit up? I want to get my alien abduction/ hermaphrodite multiple personality angle in there somewhere.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • andrew llewellyn,

    so in the meantime can we just make shit up?

    That's what I'm asking you actually :)

    Since Nov 2006 • 2075 posts Report Reply

  • andrew llewellyn,

    I mean - I do wonder if the Herald is pushing the detail a bit to see what sticks, but they're probably just quoting their unnamed source.

    Crushed/cracked vertebrae - that's serious shit whatever - and that doesn't seem to be in dispute - she will suffer all her life & will have undergone very painful surgery (should've seen the scar my sister had for fusing just two cracked vertebrae), not to mention loss of feeling & movement. Forever.

    Whether those injuries were sustained from being pushed down stairs, or kicked, is pretty irrelevant to me, but will be of interest as or when official confirmation comes out.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2075 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    Let me help

    clever :)
    lead pipe, lead pipe

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    any one got a plan to his house?
    is it 2 story?
    is the living area and kitchen on the top story?

    This is starting to feel really creepy-weird.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • LegBreak,

    What was the date of the attack again?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1162 posts Report Reply

  • andrew llewellyn,

    As if we'd give the plans to his house to someone called "Robbery"!

    :)

    Since Nov 2006 • 2075 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    and that doesn't seem to be in dispute

    you're the only one I've seen use the term crushed (was it crushed or shattered, I'm too lazy to go back through the thread to find out) and I think the closest to official statement was fractured, which is bad enough as it is. if it had been broken arm we wouldn't have felt so queezy about it but we're very sensitive about our spines knowing full well the permanent possible nature of damage.

    it does matter cos your way of phrasing it paints a picture of superhuman cyborg lifting frail earthling into the air with one hand and with a vice like grip turning her spine into power, I had visions of sarah connor chronicles.

    I think its important to keep the picture of what happened real so that society can learn from it. real people do real shit to other real people, its a line that can be crossed, and we shouldn't be casual in our attitude to it. its not what mythical celebrities and poor people in sth auckland alone do,

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

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