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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 08:27:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						I was expecting nothing great from the BDO announcement, and I am so pleasantly surprised! Rage, meh, whatever, but Bjork, LCD Soundsystem, Dizzee Rascal, and the Arcade Fire? I can almost hear my husband squeeing from 15kms away. And I've never seen The Clean, astoundingly. That day is $120 well?
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				<title>Michael Stevens</title>
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						<p>Oh such scary stuff &ndash; can the Bush regime be this stupid yet again? </p><p>Well, yes, they can.</p><p>They have demonstrated they have utterly no understanding of this part of the world, how it operates, or what drives its politics.</p><p>I was in Syria for the 03 invasion of Iraq,?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 08:30:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joanna</title>
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						<p>OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG Squee!</p><p>Sorry, I just wet myself a lot about the Arcade Fire.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 08:32:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						Sign me up for Bjork and Dizzee Rascal. Rage could be alright... then again they might be a pallid shadow of their former greatness, and I might be better off in the Boiler Room. We shall see.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 08:37:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mikaere Curtis</title>
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						<p>Bjork will be great, can't wait. And rocking out the Rage can only be a good thing too.</p><p>BUT, did anyone else notice that they'd skimped on an entire speaker stack on the main stage this year?  It left the sound very muddy on the left side.  I certainly hope?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 09:10:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Aaron Cowan</title>
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						Awesome LCD Soundsystem!  I 'm probably going to have to attempt a reliving of my youth and get up to Auckland for this one. May not hitch-hike this time though. What with us becoming apparently the most crime-ridden place on earth according to Mr McVicar this morning on the NatRad.
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				<title>Mark Thomas</title>
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						<p>and how about radiohead <a href="http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/10/how_much_will_you_pay_for_the.html" target="_blank">releasing their new album for free?</a> i don't know if that's a very smart business model.</p><p>hope they tour NZ again sometime soon</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 09:42:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<p>I think radiohead have lost patience with the business of marketing and selling albums, and I understand bands make most of their money through touring anyway. </p><p>Have to say I just don't get LCD Soundsystem. What's to like? </p><p>Here's a fascinating glimpse into what the current neo-conservative viewpoint is on?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:16:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Have to say I just don't get LCD Soundsystem. What's to like?</p></blockquote><p>'All My Friends'? Or, more particularly, the mighty cover of it they got John Cale(!) to record for the single?</p><p>I presume they'll be playing in the tent, so there'll be loadsa techno fun to be had.</p><p>OTOH,?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Here's a fascinating glimpse into what the current neo-conservative viewpoint is on the prospects of an attack on Iran &ndash; presumably this way of thinking has at least some currency within the administration.</p></blockquote><p>Wow. That's optimism to the point of certifiable insanity:</p><blockquote><p>Let's look downstream the day after and observe?</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:50:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jason Kemp</title>
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						on Iran and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh " target="_blank"> Seymour Hersh</a> it would be fair to point out that while he has generally good track record &ndash; it is difficult at the best of times to make sense of the Iran puzzle even if you think you have all the pieces. Which they can?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:52:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<p>So I just played this on my PC &ndash; it let me unmoved but a couple of students wandered into my office and instantly asked 'what's this? it's awesome!'</p><p>I feel so alienated.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:54:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						*this being 'All my Friends'.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:57:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The war in Iraq is already a proxy war on Iran because of the Shia connections &ndash; real and imagined and that is patently not working.</p></blockquote><p>The story also touches on what the Bush Cultists happily refer to as "the miracle of Anbar" &mdash; wherein the Americans have solved the?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:05:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael  Fitzgerald</title>
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						<p>Palestine had an elected Govt too.<br />Interesting how Africa wants help but not American help, so too the solution should be local.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:15:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						<a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/20651" target="_blank">Peter W. Galbraith</a> goes into detail about how the invasion of Iraq has been a strategic gain for Iran.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:19:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<blockquote><p>and how about radiohead releasing their new album for free? i don't know if that's a very smart business model.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, I think Radiohead need to have a serious talk with their accountant. They really ought to release the album on CD, then six months later release a "special edition"?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:31:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Peter W. Galbraith goes into detail about how the invasion of Iraq has been a strategic gain for Iran.</p></blockquote><p>As usual, Galbraith is superb. The day's other required reading.</p>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I can understand why the BDO is easier to deal with!</p></blockquote><p>I'm reading Ben Elton's 'First Casualty' at present. The hero objects to the first world war and refuses to fight because of the economies of scale involved. He can cope with an individual injustice but slaughter of a whole?</p>
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				<title>Morgan Nichol</title>
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						<p>If it's going to be limited and surgical, surely the plan will amount to something like:<br />Let Israel off the leash.</p><p>After all, they have history of blowing up nuclear reactors, and if earlier reports are anything to go by, have already drafted their own plans for knocking Iran's nuclear?</p>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<p><i>Peter W. Galbraith goes into detail about how the invasion of Iraq has been a strategic gain for Iran.</i></p><p>Vietnam analogy &ndash; the current US strategy in Iraq is a little like supporting Ho Chi Minh against Diem to prevent China from increasing its influence in the region.</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>and how about radiohead releasing their new album for free? i don't know if that's a very smart business model.</p></blockquote><p>on the contrary..uber smart.<br />a) they are giving away only the first part of it<br />b)Radiohead fans are fanatical<br />c)everybody is talking about it<br />d) the CD package (for 40?</p>
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						<p>From my limited discussions, the Americans simply view Iran as 'the enemy', indeed that was how a lobbyist and former congressional staffer and a harvard international relations grad colleague both put it.</p><p>Me and a dutchman had a huge debate with them into the night. We kept oputting it to?</p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p>Apologies to onegoodmove regulars who have seen this joke.</p><p>A female CNN journalist heard about a very old Jewish man who had been going to the Western Wall to pray, twice a day, every day, for a long, long time.</p><p>So she went to check it out. She went to?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 12:08:48 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Simon Grigg</p><p>Doesn't giving it away signify that you couldn't actually sell many copies? It may be a smart move but only for someone that no longer has the market power they once had. Is everyone really talking about Radiohead's giveaway &ndash; yes I know I am but only about?</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Doesn't giving it away signify that you couldn't actually sell many copies? It may be a smart move but only for someone that no longer has the market power they once had.</p></blockquote><p>I was walking through campus last week, and two attractive young women offered me a can of coke.?</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote>Doesn't giving it away signify that you couldn't actually sell many copies? It may be a smart move but only for someone that no longer has the market power they once had. Is everyone really talking about Radiohead's giveaway &ndash; yes I know I am but only about the concept?</blockquote>
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				<title>Yamis</title>
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						<p>Yes I am excited RATM are coming.  Thanks for the link RB!</p><p>Although in an email to my mate I lamented the fact that there is no mention for a solo gig in NZ.  They have still never played solo in NZ despite strong album sales here.</p><p>I have a?</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p>Iran...dangerous fruit loop # 1, John Bolton, is talking pre-emptive war again:</p><p><a href="http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123803" target="_blank">http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123803</a></p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1501119/story.cfm?c_id=1501119&amp;objectid=10467209" target="_blank">Quite a range of opinions</a> on the BDO lineup at The Herald's Your Views. I can't quite understand why some people seem to be so <em>angry</em> ...
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				<title>Thom James</title>
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						<p>Ah, that's a good lookin line-up...and not a teeth-gnashingly awful emo act 'for the kidz' in sight. I'm sure one or two will crop up in coming announcements, but the calibre of acts is already fantastic.</p><p>Wishlist/predictions: QOTSA, Wilco, Klaxons, Ricardo Villalobos</p><p>Be keen to hear other people's forecasts/wishlists...</p>
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						<p>Radiohead &ndash; Pink Floyd of the 2000's maybe? I wonder if the website approach is a rethink of the singles market, hence the ? about price. If they get anything, great, but it is a vehicle to drive full album sales &ndash; 40 quid is not cheap.</p><p>Prince has always?</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But it comes back to the point. He gave it away because it was worth more to him than selling it.</p></blockquote><p>But a hell of a loss leader, you must admit. The thing about Prince is that he's managed to increase his live take year in and year out since?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Be keen to hear other people's forecasts/wishlists...</p></blockquote><p>One thing that's a bit of a problem with the BDO is that the lineup is always contingent on Australian tastes &mdash; which means very little reggae. I'd dearly love to see Damian Marley play again &mdash; his St James show last year?</p>
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						<p><em>Radiohead &ndash; Pink Floyd of the 2000's maybe?</em> </p><p>One of the lowest points in modern music has gotta be the Pink Floyd reunion &ndash; a bunch of leathery skinned sixty-year olds who've spent the last twenty years collecting sports cars and suing each other singing (very badly) about the perils?</p>
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				<title>Thom James</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And I'll take a big punt now and say that Simian Mobile Disco will also appear in the tent.</p></blockquote><p>And/or Justice per chance...?</p>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<p>Hersh is either working for the Cheney team or lives in a land of make-believe.</p><p>It?s hard to get a handle on how reliable his anonymous ?former intelligence? sources are, if they do exist. But if they aren?t just making things up to sound important once again then they must?</p>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						<blockquote>Quite a range of opinions on the BDO lineup at The Herald's Your Views. I can't quite understand why some people seem to be so angry </blockquote> People complaining about lineups like this smack very much of spoiled child syndrome. The biggest get togethers in my "day" were, of course, the?
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						Someone in Your Views referred to Iggy Pop as 'crap'. I despair.
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				<title>Jason Kemp</title>
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						<p>Iran &ndash; again (sigh) Thanks Bob for the Peter Galbraith link</p><p>I did especially like this paragraph</p><blockquote><p>The scale of the American miscalculation is striking. Before the Iraq war began, its neoconservative architects argued that conferring power on Iraq's Shiites would serve to undermine Iran because Iraq's Shiites, controlling the?</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>Hersh is either working for the Cheney team or lives in a land of make-believe.</p></blockquote><p>Really? Since either choice is ridiculous to anyone who's followed his career, can we have option c/ "Neil has no idea what he's talking about." <br />(Ok the dirty double-bluff idea is amusing. We know Kissenger?</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						Once upon a time, the tour promoted the album which paid the cheque that built the house the rock star lived in. In the download age, its become the other way round. Artists need the tour money and the resulting merchandising and sponsorships to make any bling. The actual music?
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hersh is either working for the Cheney team or lives in a land of make-believe.</p></blockquote><p>He's generally been on the money. He reported years ago that Saddam had offered, via the Egytptians, to vacate Iraq before the invasion &mdash; which was confirmed this month.</p><blockquote><p>It?s hard to get a handle?</p></blockquote>
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						<p>Well I'm pretty happy with both the Clean and Battles (and of course the Phoenix Foundation) &ndash; not too fussed about the rest at the moment. It is good to see a slightly more diverse BDO lineup &ndash; as someone said hardly an emo band in sight as such.</p><p>For?</p>
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						Gah &ndash; forgot to say &ndash; I am quite interested to see how scalpers try and get round the T&C on the tickets, was quite amused to see the wording (don't know if it will actually stop the scalping &ndash; or at least profiteering).
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						At the very first BDO, my friend who I went with was wearing a Rage Against The Machine T-shirt. People kept asking her if RATM were playing, and eventually we started telling people they were, and as the day went on, we then said they'd just played (and they were?
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				<title>bob daktari</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Ricardo Villalobos</p></blockquote><p>on the BDO... slap me silly, now that would be amusing</p><p>I was expecting a rather flat lineup and must admit I am pleased to say its not</p><p>Arcade Fire are meant to be off the hook live</p>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>I would never rely on anything Hersh reported, he is an agenda driven individual, not an impartial reporter, but in this instance, what he wrote is more or less consistent with a lot of reporting from a wide variety of sources over here, but it is nothing new.  </p><p>Bush started?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Okay ... a <a href="http://iguessimfloating.blogspot.com/2007/09/recap-austin-city-limits-2007-day-1.html" target="_blank">blog review of Austin City Limits Day 1</a>.</p><p>Bjork seems to have stolen the show.</p><p>Also playing: LCD Soundsystem and Arcade Fire.</p><p>I'll go out on a limb and guess that the BDO lineup might look a bit similar. In which case, come on down M.I.A., Peter,?</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						Okay ... so does anyone else keep reading the heading of this as <strong>Ten Times Warner</strong>?
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG Squee!</p><p>Sorry, I just wet myself a lot about the Arcade Fire.</p></blockquote><p>Likewise. Thank god they're playing Sydney too! I've been hanging out to see them for ages.</p>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>This is interesting, just got this in an e-mail from Stratfor:</p><p>__Stratfor has seen indications that Iran is planning to up the ante in Iraq by supplying its militant proxies with shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles (SAMs). These man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS) are short range and are only able to shoot down?</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I would never rely on anything Hersh reported</p></blockquote><p>So let's pretend Mai Lai never happened, and Cheney just wants to make friends with Iran. While we're at it, can I sell you the latest radiohead album?</p>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<p><em>Stratfor has seen indications that Iran is planning to up the ante in Iraq by supplying its militant proxies with shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles (SAMs).</em></p><p>I hear they're also planning to burn down the German Parliament.</p>
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				<title>stephen clover</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm listening to Prince as I type, but even I accept that he is past his peak as a power in music</p></blockquote><p>naaaaah..... <strong>3120</strong> was very, very strong.</p>
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				<title>stephen clover</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Once upon a time, the tour promoted the album which paid the cheque that built the house the rock star lived in. In the download age, its become the other way round.</p></blockquote><p>That happened a long time before downloads.  As long ago as the 80s and 90s bands would find?</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><em>Stratfor has seen indications that Iran is planning to up the ante in Iraq by supplying its militant proxies with shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles (SAMs). ...<br />As long as this threat is used as a pressure tactic, negotiations between Washington and Tehran have a chance of going somewhere. </em><br />What negotiations?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>but now even the major Dem Presidential candidates wont pledge to have all US troops out of Iraq by the end of their (theoretical) first term in 2013, five years away, as long again as the US has already been there. I wouldn?t have thought that scenario was possible at?</blockquote>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'll go out on a limb and guess that the BDO lineup might look a bit similar. In which case, come on down M.I.A., Peter, Bjorn and John, and Wilco.</p></blockquote><p>If this turns out to be true, I will have a nervous breakdown trying to negotiate all of my band?</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Whosoever Stratfor are, he/they/it sound ignorant.</p></blockquote><p>A right wing analyst in, I think Texas, who has quite a reputation for, uhhh, getting it wrong. They make all sorts of predictions which rarely come to pass, and make all sorts of claims to inside information which they clearly do not have?</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Not only did the Petreaus report reset the clock so Bush can have a large troop presence in Iraq until the end of his term</p></blockquote><p>One assumes you are taking the proverbial...outside the hard right, who needed something, nobody bit. Being generous James, it was twaddle, made up, manipulated tosh..and?</p>
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						<p>I think Stratfor are Boston-based. This is from the executive summary of their predictions in advance of the Iraq invasion:</p><blockquote><p>- The purpose of the war is to position the US in the heart of the region, so as to be able to bring to bear overwhelming pressure on surrounding?</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						It does occur to me that if the Iranians are pursuing an enriched uranium route &ndash; as has been reported &ndash; they could readily disperse their enrichment facilities in hundreds of locations. Equally, it's not unbelievable that if Iran was attacked, sympathisers in Pakistan could make up their losses with?
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>He's generally been on the money. He reported years ago that Saddam had offered, via the Egytptians, to vacate Iraq before the invasion &mdash; which was confirmed this month.</p></blockquote><p>But he was wrong. Exile was offered to Saddam and he refused. I'm surprised this is news. In the [[http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/21/iraq/main541427.shtml|Dan Rather?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>But he was wrong. Exile was offered to Saddam and he refused. I'm surprised this is news. In the Dan Rather interview just prior to the war Saddam makes it very clear that he refused that option. He may at some point have conisered it and/or the Egyptians may have?</blockquote>
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						<blockquote>But I wasn't meaning this as an attack on Hersh but rather an attempt to broaden the deabte slightly to consider how this fits in with the position of the Dems (i.e. they all, even hero of the doves Obama, consider Iran trouble) and what might be a better strategy?</blockquote>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Anything else I can clear up for you?</p></blockquote><p>Just the bit where in the Dan Rather interview Saddam refuses exile. From the horses mouth. No intermediaries.</p><p>He was given that option, it was given a lot of attention at the time &ndash; </p><p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/17/sprj.irq.main/" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/17/sprj.irq.main/</a></p><p><a href="http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/622/eg1.htm" target="_blank">http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/622/eg1.htm</a></p><p><a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2003/01/31/policy_ed3__4.php" target="_blank">http://www.iht.com/articles/2003/01/31/policy_ed3__4.php</a></p><p><a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2003/03/18/a1_21.php" target="_blank">http://www.iht.com/articles/2003/03/18/a1_21.php</a></p><p>it's just that he?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Just the bit where in the Dan Rather interview Saddam refuses exile. From the horses mouth. No intermediaries.</p></blockquote><p>But we know Saddam was a a boastful liar. Was he really going to surrender on camera in an interview with an American TV network?</p><p>I think the El Pais transcript is?</p>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>OTOH, given recent statements from the French leadership ...</p></blockquote><p>They've nobbled Brown and Sarkozy, clever bastards. Watch out RB.</p><blockquote><p>I think that should play a part in everyone's thinking as the ad campaign for the next adventure rolls out.</p></blockquote><p>yeah it does, be assured.</p>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						<blockquote><p>dangerous fruit loop # 1, John Bolton</p></blockquote><p>Isn't he just?</p><p>I saw the end of a TV interview between Bolton and John Pilger a few years ago, just after Dubya went into Iraq.</p><p>Pilger asked some question that Bolton didn't like. Bolton's reply was &ndash; and I quote word for?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>At the moment I'm just hanging out till Kristen Hersh plays down here (Wellytron).</p></blockquote><p>You'll love it, she's really good live. I saw her (and interviewed her!!) at the Paramount Theatre in Wellington in '94, promoting her first solo album <em>Hips And Makers</em> and pretty impressed. </p><p>Then in '95 she?</p>
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						<blockquote>At the very first BDO, my friend who I went with was wearing a Rage Against The Machine T-shirt. People kept asking her if RATM were playing, and eventually we started telling people they were, and as the day went on, we then said they'd just played (and they were?</blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>The worrying thing is that Cheney listens to Podhoretz.</p></blockquote><p>So does Giuliani.</p><p>Maybe Hersh's sources are people that disagree with Cheney and are pushing back against his plans. The SecDef is no fan, by some accounts at least, and many in the military (particularly the army) are rather strongly opposed?</p>
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						<p>I went to the same one as Grant, the Breeders were very good, Soundgarden much better the night before at the powerstation</p><p>BDO checklist.........</p><p>Oh no, Kiwis en-masse &ndash; check</p><p>Many white dudes with dreadlocks &ndash; check</p><p>Ugly pacific-celtic armband tattoos &ndash; check</p><p>Exposed overweight hairy buttcrack &ndash; check</p><p>Exposed?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>dangerous fruit loop # 1, John Bolton</p></blockquote><p>Okay look. I know his version of 'Dock of the Bay' is pretty ghastly, and anyone who'd want to do Nicolette Sheridan obviously has some dubious taste, but "dangerous"? I think that's a bit much.</p>
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				<title>Jason Kemp</title>
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						<p>-->You'll love it, she's really good live. I saw her (and interviewed her!!) at the Paramount Theatre in Wellington in '94, promoting her first solo album Hips And Makers and pretty impressed.</p><p>I saw her at that show at the paramount, and also saw Throwing Muses at orientation (just after?</p>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>RB,<br />I am glad to see that you noted that Democrat Senator Joe Biden's stupid Iraq partition idea that he has been peddling for years was roundly condemned, especially in Iraq.  I couldn?t agree more that it is a stupid idea and hubris, but that won?t stop ole? Joe from?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>...eventually we started telling people they were, and as the day went on, we then said they'd just played (and they were AWESOME).</p><p>So I like to think there are people who will have a false memory of having seen Rage Against The Machine at the Big Day Out in?</p></blockquote>
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						I think Iran is a huge sabre rattling exercise for an administration desperate to take focus from Iraq. All of the military options against Iran are so bad they will only be taken seriously if there is a September 11-like casus belli. But they are a convenient excuse for the?
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						<blockquote>I never made it too the 94 BDO (only actually been to one in my life, the recent one with Janes Addiction) &ndash; but I did catch The Breeders / Cinematic / Smashing Pumpkins at the town hall in Wellington, and even got a chance to hang out with Kim?</blockquote>
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						<p>I actually think that the proliferation of nukes is both inevitable and less scary than people think.</p><p>They're like bubble wrap &ndash; even if the US manages through military effort to stop Iran getting one, there are plenty of other states that might get them: Pakistan already has them and?</p>
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						One click past what "even the BBC" are calling (the snigger quotes are theirs) a  'plunge' in the death toll in Iraq, we find <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7000259.stm" target="_blank">this</a> more qualified report form someone "on the ground".
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						<blockquote><p>I actually think that the proliferation of nukes is both inevitable and less scary than people think.</p></blockquote><p>I agree. But I think non-proliferation would be better and will always argue for it. Why arm up, just to disarm? Better would be to disarm now.</p><p>However, just because it would be?</p>
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						<p>Hey folks! We don't need to read BBC reports on Iraq or argue here about withdrawal strategies or any of that complicated stuff. Because ...</p><p>(drum roll ...) </p><p>The war in Iraq is over! According to John Key:</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10467590" target="_blank">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10467590</a></p><p>So who won?</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p>James,<br />my load of rubbish was supported by the US DOD, and various other US government agencies who disputed the the Petreaus report, and assorted other garbage like the assertion that the 500 killed in the bombings in Kurdistan were not ethnic cleansing..or the removal of the people shot thru?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>The war in Iraq is over! According to John Key:</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10467590" target="_blank">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10467590</a></p><p>So who won?</p></blockquote><p>On the day, war was the winner.</p>
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						<p>"The war in Iraq is over! According to John Key"</p><p>Most impressed with Keith Lockes reply</p><p>"Until Mr Key put me wise, I had assumed the US and its coalition allies were bogged down fighting an intractable insurgency in Iraq that had seen a surge in US troop numbers earlier?</p>
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						<p>James <br />Gotta agree on one point. My cousin in the Marines has a partial degree his brothers have MA &amp; BA from UCLA. Most of the Marines I met on the piss in Hawaii (who had been home less than 72hrs) were as you described. And all believe Iraq is about?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>"The war in Iraq is over! According to John Key"</p></blockquote><p>2007 will <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/1/14118/8216" target="_blank">almost certainly be the worst year yet for US military deaths in Iraq</a>. Should someone tell Mr Key?</p>
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						Since the music I like stretches backwards from the 19th century, and because &ndash; while I have opinions on the US ventures in Iraq and elsewhere &ndash; I agree with some contributors and totally disagree with oithers and would therefore think expression of same redundant &ndash; I want to say?
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						Hmm who do I believe, Keith "pol pot" Locke or Helen "the Yanks are buggin my phone" Clark? This is a really hard one...
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				<title>Scott Common</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I found out about that gig too late to get tickets (only being in Wellington for part of the summer holidays), and trooped down there in the early evening to try and beat someone up at the door to get in. No luck unfortunately.</p></blockquote><p>Ahhh man that sucks &ndash; was?</p>
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						<p><em>*something can be mathematically proven but a practical nonsense*</em></p><p>I think there are highly practical applications theorized as an outcome of this maths. Quantum computing, for instance, which has the potential to make the silicone revolution look like a mere stepping stone. I especially like the idea of a computer?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hmm who do I believe, Keith "pol pot" Locke or Helen "the Yanks are buggin my phone" Clark? This is a really hard one...</p></blockquote><p>Dammit, you're right. The war's been over for years. All those people dying is just damned carelessness.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>It was quite the best mind-scrambler I've encountered for some time...thanks Russell!</p></blockquote><p>Sounds like you're with me &mdash; I can hold the idea in my head, but I get dizzy about what it <em>means</em> ...</p><p>Basically, the universe(s) is/are stranger and more complex and beautiful than we can imagine.</p>
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						<blockquote>Ahhh man that sucks &ndash; was a truley good show (sorry don't mean to rub it in). Not quite as good as Sonic Youth playing at the St James (before the renovations) on their "Dirty" tour with the Dead C opening (favorite overhead conversation from that gig was, "man these?</blockquote>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think Iran is a huge sabre rattling exercise for an administration desperate to take focus from Iraq.</p></blockquote><p>That's one possibility but it doesn't explain why countries other than the US are more than a little concerned about Iran. France, you know &ndash; that country that spent a lot of?</p>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Could someone who knows the Dead C pass that one on? I think they'd enjoy it.</p></blockquote><p>I bump into Michael and Robbie now and again, so I will.</p>
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						<p><em>That's one possibility but it doesn't explain why countries other than the US are more than a little concerned about Iran.</em></p><p>Dude, <em>I'm</em> concerned about Iran. But I don't think bombing them is going to help anything. And the French are not exempt from sabre rattling just by virtue of?</p>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And the French are not exempt from sabre rattling just by virtue of thinking Iraq was a stupid idea. They certainly don't want any other 4th rate nuclear powers out there. That would undermine their own tenuous status as the lamest power to have the UN Security Council veto.</p></blockquote><p>yeah,?</p>
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						I'm sure their concerns are genuine. Everyone's concerns about everyone else who has nukes are genuine. Iran's concerns about France's nukes are genuine.That's why they need nukes. That's the stupid thing about a philosophy of arming up on everyone. Then you've got to either bash them, or they'll have to?
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						<p>Or to put it more pluntly, the moral consequence of the multiverse theory is that the actions of Hitler and Gandhi are equivalent.</p><p>A moral argument against a scientic theory perhaps?</p>
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						<p>I think any time you're coming up with a moral argument against a scientific theory, you've forgotten what science is. Unless of course you deeply believe that the universe is ultimately moral.</p><p>I don't follow your logic when you say:</p><blockquote><p>But if at every opportunity of action the universe splits?</p></blockquote>
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						<p>Russell</p><p>Helen Clark said in her Oxford Union speech this week</p><p>"Iraq did not meet our criteria for intervention in 2003 and we did not participate in the war there."  </p><p>So Helen Clark only two days ago obviously believed the "war" was over just like John Key</p><p>She then says?</p>
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						insider, civilian reconstruction engineers is hardly 'sending troops'. If that was the only presence the USA maintained, I don't imagine they'd be suffering hundreds of attacks every month.
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						<p>Ben </p><p>They weren;t civilians. THey were soldiers. But I think you mean they were working on civilian projects. </p><p>But the distinction was made clear at the time &ndash; we didn;t send military to fight the war but did so to clean up afterwards.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>They weren;t civilians. THey were soldiers. But I think you mean they were working on civilian projects.<br />But the distinction was made clear at the time &ndash; we didn;t send military to fight the war but did so to clean up afterwards.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, and then we brought them home and?</p>
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						Afterwards, during, who cares? They weren't fighting, they were helping rebuild shattered civilian infrastructure. It's noble cause however you look at it, whoever it purportedly supports.
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						<p>Russell</p><p>OF course that was what he meant &ndash; anyone with half a brain knew that was what he meant. Hence my amazemnet at the beat up on this and the devclaration that it makes Key not fit to be PM, yet Helen Clark can effectively say the exact same?</p>
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						<p>I don't think Key looks good on this, ands here's a snippet from the ground, <a href="http://dailywarnews.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_archive.html" target="_blank">http://dailywarnews.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_archive.html</a><br />Indefensible.</p>
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						<p>__Helen Clark said in her Oxford Union speech this week</p><p>"Iraq did not meet our criteria for intervention in 2003 and we did not participate in the war there."</p><p>So Helen Clark only two days ago obviously believed the "war" was over just like John Key</p><p>She then says "We?</p>
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						<p>we did not fight the fire</p><p>we are not fighting the fire</p><p>Yup, they say exactly the same thing if it wasn;t for those pesky tenses. I'd blame the Greeks if I thought I could get away with it.</p>
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						<p><em>They weren;t civilians. THey were soldiers. But I think you mean they were working on civilian projects.</em></p><p>LOL, can't resist this, but English is so ambiguous. When I said <em>civilian reconstruction engineers</em> I see you attached civilian as a modifier to engineer, rather than as a modifier to reconstruction. But?</p>
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						<p>Simon,<br />While we certainly can't draw conclusions that the surge in Iraq has been a success, the fact that in Nov 06 there were 3500 Iraqi casualties and in Sept 07 there were 884 (a 75% reduction) proves that the surge is succeeding, to date, in one of its key?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>RNZ, bless their poor unbias hearts, just went over the top this morning with their interview of some poor woman whose son had died. Just bizarre. But it is the school holidays so a mini silly season.</p></blockquote><p>There's one thing we can agree on &mdash; RNZ's handling of it was?</p>
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						<p>Hi James,</p><p>I think it's evident that al Qaeda's men in Anbar have done the coalition a favour by being so vile that even the Sunni insurgency wanted rid of them.</p><p>But do you not see an irony in the US arming thousands of Baathist insurgents and declaring it all?</p>
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						<p>James,<br />I don't want to go back and forth on this but your figures are <a href="http://icasualties.org/oif/" target="_blank">askew</a> again. There is a study, online but I can't find it again, I was reading a couple of days ago, from a New England University which analysed casualty figures over the past few months,?</p>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						<p>Do PA readers follow <a href="http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/" target="_blank">The Bag</a>?</p><p>I found the post 'Steps without a casket' quite moving.</p>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think any time you're coming up with a moral argument against a scientific theory, you've forgotten what science is. Unless of course you deeply believe that the universe is ultimately moral.</p></blockquote><p>I was being mildly ironic but yes, I have a proof of a moral argument against science but?</p>
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						<p>I'd be interested to read it at length if you have a link. I'm familiar with Cantor and infinity, denumerable or otherwise, so don't hold back!</p><p><em>There are available to us an infinite number of choices so therefore there must be an infinite number of consequences.</em></p><p>That's not trivially true,?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I'd be interested to read it at length if you have a link.</p></blockquote><p>That was my attempt at humour again, Fermat and his famous lack of space.</p><p>I haven't got time to reply, maybe later this evening.</p>
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						LOL, OK. I hope you aren't having a duel today!
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						yeah, it could go either way...
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						Which way is more likely?
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						On a quantum level, both at once.
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						<p><em>On a quantum level, both at once</em></p><p>...until you check to see who is dead?</p>
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						That's right &ndash; until you open the box the duel is more of a dual.
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						And the outcome a living death.
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