But one thing remains clunky and difficult in a multi-touch interface — selecting (and, therefore, copying, pasting and formatting) text.

One trick that I found useful on my PDA which has a touch screen – turn your finger upside down and point with your nail. You get a much smaller,?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbdiCDsilCs&feature=player_embedded

I am loving this band (discovered them thru writer/reviewer David Maine's blogspot), I'm wondering if the Bats / Minisnap's Paul Kean has some Tuareg blood... ;- )
Tinariwen have been round since the late '70s and their Blues is Niger/West African based not the US iteration?

Apple's slim new box will run iOS4 and provide access to a TV version of the App Store, which will offer streaming video, dedicated interactive apps from major news organisations and other content providers, games, and whatever else the app development community thinks might fly

Which is all well and?

and the Playstation 3, which now offers you a slightly unstable dedicated player for TVNZ ondemand

I think you left out "...and appallingly low-resolution..." between the words "unstable" and "dedicated". I use it occasionally to catch up on a 6pm news bulletin and usually find myself switching quality settings only?

Rupert Murdoch, who lost 90% of his readership when he put up a paywall at The Times website this year,

Was it that substantial? I recall reading a figure of 27% just recently.

then had lunch with Paul Norris, Christine Vavasour and Bryan Pauling

Ruth didn't get a lunch invite?

Ruth didn't get a lunch invite?

Didn't see Ruth!

Also, I spelt Kristine's name wrong. I'd go in and fix it, but the plane I'm sitting in is about to take off.

Anyway, it was the usual worthwhile experience: good course, bright, engaged kids.

One trick that I found useful on my PDA which has a touch screen – turn your finger upside down and point with your nail. You get a much smaller, more precise point that way. It takes a little while to get used to. You could use a stylus too,?

one irritating quirk of the iPad: unless you're prepared to jailbreak your device, the iPad won't mirror its screen in general use

"Irritating"..."little"...?

Just what are you willing to sacrifice to the bonfire of Apple gagetisation?

and really, yet another Apple review? Come on Russell, you're better than this.

and really, yet another Apple review? Come on Russell, you're better than this.

I found it interesting. It wasn't "the iPad could be good for this". It was "it was good for this". That's actually a lot more interesting than speculation.

You can do those things on resistive touch screens?

Loosely related song below. Actually, with this title, it could have worked over at David Haywood's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhawY0WgKmY&feature=related

Call me picky, but I prefer a platform where of there's a functionality hole, users can fix it by coding, not obsequies.

Of course, open cellphones will take down the network. My Android did only last week. Didn't you notice the smoke?

I was thinking of trying a 1uf tantalum as an alternative.

You can get styli for capacitive screens. Not sure who stocks them in NZ.

I was thinking of trying a 1uf tantalum as an alternative.

Corner of a damp sponge works, as long as you hold the sponge with your hand.

You can get styli for capacitive screens. Not sure who stocks them in NZ.

Try the butcher – sausages apparently work quite well.

You can get styli for capacitive screens. Not sure who stocks them in NZ.

I saw a thing where a stick/pencil/whatever was wrapped in foil with a tip made from extremely fine grade steel wool, which, news to me, can come in 'so fine it's not scratchy'.

I sketched up?

Here, have Cee-Lo's *stonking* new song, for the three of you who haven't heard it yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAV0XrbEwNc

ETA: Uh, NSF people who?

...the pilgrimage to Whisky Galore

Russell, did your dram-man have anything to say about the recently discovered cache of Shackleton's Mackinlay's Rare Old Whisky and the Australian Brandy down in Antarctica?
Personally I think it is a piece of obscene preciousness that they are returning?

Rupert Murdoch, who lost 90% of his readership when he put up a paywall at The Times website this year,

Was it that substantial? I recall reading a figure of 27% just recently.

At the risk of making the all too easy mistake of not fact-checking, I seem to remember?

Maybe obvious useful functionality (PXTs, projector support, front-facing cameras) get left out so they can be added later as a marketing tactic?

I suspect that the stuff they left out that is common on phones (PXTs, cameras, calling) was done to try to differentiate the iPad from a phone. Even?

does seem to understate the problem. It is a mysterious and apparently deliberate defect that makes even Apple's own software essentially useless for the task it was designed for: not even Keynote will show the slide on both screen and Pad.

Actually, that's not correct at all. Any app can?

That upside-down-bass player is one funky disguised dude. At least I assume he's a dude...

Speaking of things Southern, I'm recommending this very good analysis of "the Dunedin sound and the myth of isolation" from the excellent Mysterex site.

^^This. It really is an excellent read

I didn't find it that big a deal, really.

Well, Apple think jailbreaking is a big deal. They tried to persuade Congress that it was. Now they claim it is a breach of copyright, patent law and anything else they can throw at you.

But, you keep presenting this to?

"Irritating"..."little"...?

Just what are you willing to sacrifice to the bonfire of Apple gagetisation?

I can show presentations, web browsing, YouTube (in a nice dedicated app), photos, etc, etc, on a second screen or projector — it's trivially easy for developers to support mirroring, if they want to — but?

But, you keep presenting this to punters as "not a big deal". Why?

For goodness sake Don, calm down read the comment again. SteveH and I were discussing the decision to have the iPad act as a remote when Keynote is in play mode, rather than simply mirror. It's probably?

I didn't find it that big a deal, really.

Well, Apple think jailbreaking is a big deal. They tried to persuade Congress that it was. Now they claim it is a breach of copyright, patent law and anything else they can throw at you.

But, you keep presenting this to?

Call me picky, but I prefer a platform where of there's a functionality hole, users can fix it by coding, not obsequies.

Of course, open cellphones will take down the network. My Android did only last week. Didn't you notice the smoke?

Rooting (technical term, heh) your smartphone in breach?

My source at Renaissance tells me that the version of Keynote on the iPad was a bit of a rush job (it is incompatible with certain features of Keynote 09) and that it will get updated and we will see an improved presenters screen.

Yeah, that makes sense. I think?

SteveH and I were discussing the decision to have the iPad act as a remote when Keynote is in play mode, rather than simply mirror. It's probably not the best design decision, but I don't see that it's evil or anything.

If there is a circle of hell for this?

does seem to understate the problem. It is a mysterious and apparently deliberate defect that makes even Apple's own software essentially useless for the task it was designed for: not even Keynote will show the slide on both screen and Pad.

Actually, that's not correct at all. Any app can?

I'm sure it's still several rungs farther from the bottom than the one where the designer of PowerPoint is going to be spend eternity.

The powerpoint dude is well above whoever designed Microsoft Word's 'save as html' feature. Only useful for unembedding images from word docs I've found.

If there is a circle of hell for this heinous crime, I'm sure it's still several rungs farther from the bottom than the one where the designer of PowerPoint is going to be spend eternity.

A Faust App?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAUTvjMyN6Q

...

Ah stink, can't even embed my own videos :(

Friday fail from me – so go here for some groovin'! http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/you-gotta-know-1994

Believe me, the fact that I can't hack the micro-controller on my microwave to do other than it's lockdowned task really gets on my nerves.

I SO want to hack our microwave. The uh person who designed it thought it would be a great feature to have the microwave beep?

Still haven't found the perfect iPad game

Is there a keynote replacement app out there that does support screen mirroring?

Using PDFs with GoodReader seems like a reasonable alternative.

I haven't tried 2Screens, but it claims to support Keynote files (along with many others), which would seem to solve your problem. It's also a web browser. It'll?

Using PDFs with GoodReader seems like a reasonable alternative.

Thanks for the tips – I'll try it out. Good Reader claims to render iWork files too, so we'll see how that goes...

– measure the power output by heating a known volume of water
and calculating from the temperature rise

– place matchheads wrapped in silver foil inside and make micro ball lightning

– remove personal information stored on chipped passports and the like

– defeat?

Ah stink, can't even embed my own videos :(

Gah. That's ridiculous, I agree — why has it never occurred to either of us before?

Let's have our developers talk to your developers and get NZ on Screen supported in our player so people can paste in your videos.

I suppose you could say these forums are an example of an attempt to guarantee the overall experience by making some functionality highly accessible to non-experts — and locking down the rest.

I'm pretty sure people link more in PA System posts because we give them an easy way?

use a microwave to make micro ball lightning

I saw an article that said ball-lightning may be a myth and is just a hallucination due to the overloading of visual brain circuitry by the strong magnetic field of ordinary lightning. re: this article

So maybe you can see it but?

I saw an article that said ball-lightning
may be a myth...

obviously they have never worn tight
rabbit fur and polyester underwear...

Ruth didn't get a lunch invite?

Didn't see Ruth!

Also, I spelt Kristine's name wrong. I'd go in and fix it, but the plane I'm sitting in is about to take off.

Anyway, it was the usual worthwhile experience: good course, bright, engaged kids.

Ruth was away otherwise she would've?

So maybe you can see it but perhaps it can't be captured on a video camera...

Interesting... may be worth sacrificing a microwave as an experiment...

I think what you get with that microwave experiment is a plasma ball. Whether "ball lightning" is the same thing or not, who knows?

Still haven't found the perfect iPad game

Frisbee?
Sorry, couldn't help it.
And... It does make me consider an argument against copyright, the iPad is a great starting point for a really useful device. It wouldn't take much to add a little more functionality, front camera and a USB port?

Seriously, Pages doesn't support layers, no direct selection tool (for Pete's sake, what millenium is?

If there is a circle of hell for this heinous crime, I'm sure it's still several rungs farther from the bottom than the one where the designer of PowerPoint is going to be spending eternity.

Loudest LOL ever at a PAS Post – thanks Giovanni.

I don't think it's the?

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Happily, the news is that NZ On Screen is joining the O-zone.

That's nice, but there are many other things that I think would be more useful. A discounting of traffic originating over peering links would be nice, and reflective of the actual cost of presenting that traffic to the?

then you're using the wrong software.

Which do you use? I find all the alternatives equally painful.

I don't think it's the designer of PowerPoint *TM* that is going to hell, so much as whomever designed the default templates.

They're what encouraged people to write speeches on PowerPoint and doomed so many presentations to the onslaught of bullets, and the full death-by-powerpoint experience.

That said, I suspect?

That's nice, but there are many other things that I think would be more useful. A discounting of traffic originating over peering links would be nice, and reflective of the actual cost of presenting that traffic to the user.

Oh no. That would be "too complicated for users" ...

As?

(I also dislike the?

Again, sorry, if you can use styles and master documents, and your thesis is in the humanities, Word is just brilliant. What's not to like?

I must agree – it may be made by the Great Satan or whatever, but I think it's a really great programme for humanities writing.?

And... It does make me consider an argument against copyright, the iPad is a great starting point for a really useful device. It wouldn't take much to add a little more functionality, front camera and a USB port for starters

My understanding is that Apple did try a front-facing camera?

the full death-by-powerpoint experience

Anytime it gets too much for me I re-read the Gettysburg Address as PowerPoint.

Forgive me if you have had this before from me.

Microwave hacks, in order of try-at-homeness:

You missed the all important determining the speed of light

And since people are having the argument. I spend most of my time on Linux, but I'm writing my thesis in Word. If you were to start writing from top and type to thet?

I've seen too many people in the last few months of their PhD try to work out why Word is skipping footnotes or refusing to paginate their document properly; it's just not designed for long-form work. The proprietary file format it uses is also a minus.

I started a thesis?

Even more of a hassle was helping someone?

Until then, say after me "Apple is Evil, Apple is Evil" cos the Bibble, a poem by John Milton, says so.
Would you Adam 'n' Eve it?.

God told Adam that he was free to eat from every tree in the garden, except the tree of?

I've seen too many people in the last few months of their PhD try to work out why Word is skipping footnotes or refusing to paginate their document properly; it's just not designed for long-form work.

Word works really well for producing camera ready copy for manuscripts. We tend to?

LaTeX – I know a couple people in the labs who used it but had to transfer?

what's all?

Lack of configurability of Table of Contents

David, what do you want to do with it? May be some non-obvious ways as there often are with Word, a beast I've tangled with professionally since v1.

Any other simple text editors people would recommend?

NoteTab.

any interesting Android app
developers in NZ

I have an app due for release by end of year. I think it will attract some attention, but NZ
isn't the target market due to the small number of extant handsets.

Let's get back on topic, Rodney Hide and the Super City. I think Hide's doing the right thing controlling all the CCO appointments and managing the roll out without input the useless local politicians and businbody citizens.

Any other approach would lead to?

Let's get back on topic, Rodney Hide and the Super City.

LOL, that's actually an attempted threadjack, try here for that.

Perhaps this is STO,?

Let's get back on topic, Rodney Hide and the Super City. I think Hide's doing the right thing controlling all the CCO appointments and managing the roll out without input the useless local politicians and businbody citizens.

Any other approach would lead to a degradation in user experience for Aucklanders,?

It isn't just shifting docs from one App to another, different versions of the same App

Yes, but if I open up the backwards compatibility argument I might get shot. I guess god intended us to buy one Word Processor and use it for the rest of our lives, but?

Would be interested in your case study...there are techniques for making the formatting issues easier to handle, though you probably know them all.

Can you contact me off list?

That's really not the same thing as electing a city council.

This is true, hardly anyone is affected by Auckland's woes.

But with the technology debate going on now and the way different companies would like to manipulate our Internet and communications usage, many 100s of millions are affected.

But would people be as relaxed if Microsoft were to lock down windows? Technically it wouldn't be hard – installing an unsigned exe is already a warning, they would just need to promote that to an error.

I'm not sure the PAS comparison is very illuminating

Only in the sense that limiting functionality isn't inevitably evil.

but the microwave one is. The iPad is putting itself forward as an appliance, not a computer.

Yes. And while you can actually use the thing independent of an actual computer,?

.Jewish scholars believe that it was the pomegranate that was the forbidden fruit of the Garden of Eden.

There you go, blame the Poms.
;-)

like to be able to suppress the level 2 and lower heading page numbers but keep the level 1 heading page numbers

David, you're right, I don't know any non-macro way around that either.

This is true, hardly anyone is affected by Auckland's woes.

Dream on, Wellingtonians. But more to the point, there's only one choice of election process whereas there are competing operating systems.

Anyway, don't *all* business ventures make less money then their owners hoped?

There you go, blame the Poms.

the apple has been gene sequenced
and apparently comes from Kazakhstan
where some mutation meddled with medlars, or something similar, 65 million years ago...
Massive meteorite impact effects or Gamma Radiation maybe – heard this on Morning Report today and?

In the App department, this might be a cool one (aSmart HUD), but what I'd like to know is, if there is no one else in the car, how?

Evolutionary analysis tracked this whole genome duplication (WGD) event to around 60 million years ago. It is thought to be a genetic survival response to an event that caused mass extinctions of other species, including the dinosaurs. Other well adapted?

It is of course possible for anyone to set up a *market* for Android apps, so those criticisms may be addressed by a competitor (Amazon?) entering the industry?

True. Although that would be the same Amazon whose e-reader is so tightly controlled that it was able to reach out and?

True. Although that would be the same Amazon whose e-reader is so tightly controlled that it was able to reach out and remotely delete '1984' from the Kindle of everyone who bought it

New meaning to the 'hand of god' analogy? It's a slippery slope from this to making you?

how did he make this video without killing himself, or somebody else?

Ermmm, the guy doing the video is in the passenger seat, it's American, not to be confused with A Merkin
;-)

while you can't buy porn at the App Store

Oh great. Now you have pushed me from disappointment to anger.

I didn't think Russell would resort to the "you're all dirty pornographers" argument at those concerned with openness and how much control is exerted over users and by proxy to?

Ermmm, the guy doing the video is in the passenger seat, it's American, not to be confused with A Merkin

Ah, yes, true, but it was a bit confusing when he went to the right of the dashboard to look at 'my GPS'. How many distractions does he need in?

I didn't think Russell would resort to the "you're all dirty pornographers" argument at those concerned with openness and how much control is exerted over users and by proxy to the Internet by manufactures like Apple.

I'm a little confused. Apple destkop and notebooks computers are far less restrictive, correct??

But I think it is noteworthy that the App Store model has drawn in literally thousands of small developers who hadn't previously had access to a global market. That's why others are looking to emulate it.

Didn't the Internet do that? Did you hear about Freshmeat? Have you read the?

s Apple morally obligated to also keep its environment open?

Apple can do whatever they want. I find it strange though that seemingly sane people complain about the control freakery of a minor politician in a minor country whilst lauding the praises of Apple's control which goes way beyond anything?

But if you want to talk about negative repercussions, I have one. I was at a special ed meeting a couple of weeks ago and they gave this presentation on assistive technology,?

In case you hadn't noticed, I'm a Mac fanboy of the highest order. And yes, my horns are growing nicely, since you asked.

Russell, it really?

Why can't we all just ... get a life?

This is not my life?
Now, about those credit card sized "Do Everything" devices...

http://www.osnews.com/story/22904/ACTA_Aims_to_Impose_DMCA_Upon_the_Rest_of_the_World

I didn't think balance would be hard to ask for here, but as I find?

Fanboy Disorder. Definitely the prince of Internet psych maladies, Fanboy Disorder has been scientifically shown to be 47 percent more awesome than Generalized Trolling Compulsion. It has no downside?unless you consider being "too awesome" a downside (and you don't, do you?). Seriously, Generalized Trolling Disorder?

except politics ain't a consumer product

A fact lost on Rodney Hide, who insists it's all about providing services cheaply, not any of that pesky democracy carry-on.

Oh, and the govt has appointed Auckland's CCO Boards. In particular you'll recognise the name of the new head of the hugely powerful?

while you can't buy porn at the App Store

Oh great. Now you have pushed me from disappointment to anger.

I didn't think Russell would resort to the "you're all dirty pornographers" argument at those concerned with openness and how much control is exerted over users and by proxy to?

I'm more interested in the accessories. Great
ipad bag here from Minnie Cooper

Hmmm. Nice bag, but I'd recommend a cover you can open and use without removing (a naked iPad will constantly slip off your knees), and use as a stand.

I realised that reading Vanity Fair on the?

:-) giovanni, that's not what I said, was it?

Not quite, but there ought to be a middle ground between being an Apple bunny and agreeing with the proposition that the iPhone or the iPad hurt the Internet. That's a case that needs to be made a little more convincingly,?

Fanboy Disorder

Excellent, so I won't have to wait long for the medication for my hitherto undiagnosed malaise.

Come to think of it, I have some right here.

[iPhone. Apps. First Aid Aromatherapy. Sniffs screen. Ahh, perfect]

It'll be Apple that drags everyone else through to HTML 5 too

No, that would be Firefox and our very own Rob O'Callaghan. But happy for you to forget a Kiwi's contribution to this as I realise he doesn't wear black.

Honestly, Apple does lovely tech...but that is only a?

Which you could also do so's noseone haz to look at your nazal hairz if it had a front facing camera for the video callz.

no that's vanity fear...

No, that would be Firefox and our very own Rob O'Callaghan. But happy for you to forget a Kiwi's contribution to this as I realise he doesn't wear black.

Maximum respect to Robert, but Jobs' hissy fit about Flash is actually the reason that YouTube, Vimeo, Reuters, CNN et al?

People who feel very strongly about being able to use real HTML might wish to avoid these forums

Or.... they might want to get out more.

ETA works best in Chrome, is amazing.

Speaking of MS, is anyone else (apart from Ben Gracewood) at Tech Ed?

So, just me then? The Kool Aid really is quite tasty...

the silent killer is ad banners that sit there hogging resources even when their page or tab isn't visible

It's a (minor) problem even in fairly benevolent work environments, where management are usually inclined to turn a blind eye to personal internet use, unless it seems to be really spiking?

Now I understand why Russell is re-writing internet history (I snorted coffee when I read about Apple heroically pushing HTML5...especially the video bit).

It might be helpful when writing "iReviews" to?

It's a (minor) problem even in fairly benevolent work environments, where management are usually inclined to turn a blind eye to personal internet use, unless it seems to be really spiking higher than the norm. Resource-hungry banner ads tend to really add to that.

Or rootkits.

I guess everyone has some sort of axe to grind – sometimes it's financial, sometimes its about being in with the cool kids.

Personally, mine is that I do Android apps as a private venture and corporate software development as?

Just seen the only intro to Media 7, a long add for iPad and a TVNZ App store application.

We had a panel featuring people from two media companies who'd invested in iPad development, one of which, ACP, has done a really nice job of implementing the magazine experience on?

Whilst it doesn't work quite as smoothly as iTunes, and crashes occasionally, what has amazed me is just how crippled the machine is under iTunes. There are literally scores more functions now available to me.

The fact that Apple asks me?

They fact that they don't right now does not mean that they would not respond to pressure in the future. So, can't we shoot for the best of both worlds? Great Apple tech and freedom to use it how we want to?

It's happened more than once. With the iTunes?

Russell is allowed to like them, and say so, without being complicit in a dangerous conspiracy to control the internet.

I had an email calling me an "uber-consumerist whore". But just the one ...

Funny thing is, I generally try and avoid using the iTunes Music Store. It doesn't work?

I recently jailbroke* my iPod by installing ROCKbox OS.

Whilst it doesn't work quite as smoothly as iTunes, and crashes occasionally, what has amazed me is just how crippled the machine is under iTunes. There are literally scores more functions now available to me.

Interesting! It's available for a whole?

I guess everyone has some sort of axe to grind – sometimes it's financial, sometimes its about being in with the cool kids.

There are other times, aren't there?

Feature comparisons here.

Once you get deep inside the settings there is actually a lot more than that; admittedly mostly minor things, but probably twice as many in total.

Vimeo is still saying its HTML5 player won't?

Russell is allowed to like them

Of course he is. But he is also an independent commentator, with a great track record of bringing balance and insight to his audience. That's why we love him so :-) Personally I find those two?

Can publishers follow Apple's lead and only publish Apple hype to Apple devices?

Since then, its been possible to buy a cheap computer, program it, and distribute that program to an increasing population of?

Of course he is. But he is also an independent commentator, with a great track record of bringing balance and insight to his audience. That's why we love him so :-) Personally I find those two things missing from his reviews of Apple stuff.

Don, I've been using Apple products?

My fear is that we're now moving away from that into a space where that isn't the case, and the population who can run any program will fall. I don't want to see a world where programming freedom is something that happened between 1980 and 2020.

I guess you hate?

And you haven't made the case that Apple is evilly controlling the internet, at all.

I agree, if for no other reason that you know I'd be all over that bad boy.

Youtube and Vimeo were offering HTML5 video well before Apple banned Flash from their platforms.

That is totally incorrect. Both Youtube and Vimeo annouced HTML5 video in January of this year. The iPhone has been out since 2007.

Don, how can you accuse Russell of "re-writing internet history", and then?

That is totally incorrect. Both Youtube and Vimeo annouced HTML5 video in January of this year. The iPhone has been out since 2007.

Is true. Long before HTML5 was an issue, YouTube offered an MPEG4-based alternative to Flash specifically to support the iPhone.

However, consoles only play games (mostly because they are restricted) and hence it doesn't matter as much.

With pad form factor devices, it's possible that they?

I'd rather that gaming consoles were open (which would turn them into game-oriented computers) and that we lost the cross-subsidy between consoles and games.

You'd like to determine the whole industry's business model for it? If you don't want a game console, don't buy one, basically.

However, consoles only play?

With pad form factor devices, it's possible that they *will* become the standard individual computing device. It's also possible that Apple and Microsoft will try and move the walled garden model up the food chain to conventional systems like PC and Mac.

And that's a reasonable discussion to have. I?

Isn't that what all the antitrust actions against Microsoft were about? Stopping them adopting a business model that exploited market dominance to lock out competition?

Isn't that what all the antitrust actions against Microsoft were about? Stopping them adopting a business model that exploited market dominance to lock out competition?

But you were talking about making all game consoles give up proprietary software. How far do you go with that?

With respect to walled gardens,?

However –

Viewing requires either a Mac running Safari on Mac OS X version 10.6 Snow Leopard, an iPhone or iPod touch running iOS 3.0 or higher, or an iPad.

The segregation of the Net haz started!

It was the iPad than banned Flash, but more tellingly along with Apple's change in what tools you could use to develop App store apps. That was well after youtube an Vimeo did their html5 video stuff. Firefox?

Personally I find those two things missing from his reviews of Apple stuff.

This is all in response to Russell commenting about something about the iPad that he found irritating.

It was the iPad than banned Flash, but more tellingly along with Apple's change in what tools you could use to develop App store apps. That was well after youtube an Vimeo did their html5 video stuff. Firefox has been developing against the

No, Don, it?

Btw, looks like Apple haven't push out iTunes yet (as of 10:22AM local time). For the specs page, I was hoping that it would be a Cocca?

Anyone want to buy my 2nd Generation 16GB iPod Touch?

Sorry, no, but I'll use this occasion to mention that I'm looking for a cheapish non-Touch iPod – 4 or 8 Gb, I guess – for my little cousin, up to $100.

Help me to help this young lad out?

Since I (sorta) of started the flame thread about Word vs. Everyone Else....Anyone want to buy my 2nd Generation 16GB iPod Touch? Heh

Still happy with my "old" classic iPod, actually. If I was going to upgrade I'd have to go for the 64GB Touch, and at a very stiff?

The segregation of the Net haz started!

I've noticed that iPod/iPhone users do tend to sit at the front of the bus.

I wouldn't go as far as saying the sound quality is crap but it is far from the best you can get.

It's true.

if I were to be in the market for a new one I'd find it hard to ignore the Archos 3 Vision A steal at under $150.

I'm genuinely tempted. Anyone know what kind of rep Archos has for reliability, though?

Resistance now officially futile ;-)

Anyone know what kind of rep Archos has for reliability, though?

I've not heard of any problems with them but have no personal experience with them.
On the other hand if you want to spend a little more you just can't beat these devices from Cowon. They really?

Resistance now officially futile ;-)

Who needs resistance? Every store I've walked in and asked to fondle their iPads has said they don't have any in stock but their Botany branch does. If I were quicker on the draw I'd have said "Look honey, I came to fiddle with your?

Ah ha, hush that fuss, everybody off to the back of the bus

Oukast – Rosa Parks.

I tend to like what Apple brings to the equation. Advanced usability, slightly better functions and premium pricing. The rest of us get these advances about a year later at half the price.?