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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						Despite what the Fat White Dicks say, Judith Tizard didn't lose Auckland Central because she was a bad MP. I was a constituent of hers in 04-07, and voting at Herne Bay polling station, I was amazed that Labour got any votes at all in the area, it was just?
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>On Hide's Regulatory Reform Bill, I was looking for a platform to express my views on the stupidity of this, so forgive me a further post this morning.</p><p>This seems to be an attempt to create "basic law". These laws (such as the US constitution or the ECHR) express fundamental?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:24:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						<p>I'm not so sure. Some of Tizard's comments last week did come across as petulant and as sour grapes. Her criticism of Phil Goff, which I know she's entitled to, was also a bad look as well. </p><p>Neither she or the Labour heirachy handled this well. They shouldn't have hung?</p>
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				<title>Steve Curtis</title>
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						<p>In the recent Baden Wurttemburg state elections ( where the Greens will lead the new government in spite of coming second), <br />Wikipedia says  B-W doesnt have a list at all ( uniquely in german state elections),  The supplementary members are selected from the defeated electoral candidates , by party  and?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:34:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ewan Morris</title>
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						The curious thing about Hide's Bill is that almost no one, apart from the Act Party and the Business Round Table, actually seems to want it. Even a paper written for the conservative Maxim Institute has <a href="http://www.maxim.org.nz/files/pdf/Ekins%20and%20Huang%20Guest%20Paper.pdf" target="_blank">come out</a> <a href="http://pundit.co.nz/content/the-proposed-regulatory-responsibility-bill-shouldnt-be-enacted" target="_blank">against it</a>.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I?m not so sure. Some of Tizard?s comments last week did come across as petulant and as sour grapes. Her criticism of Phil Goff, which I know she?s entitled to, was also a bad look as well.</q></p><p>She could have handled it better. But I think the shit flung __at__?</p>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						<p><q>The idea that parties should be forced to field two separate and incompatible slates of candidates has no virtue that I can think of.</q></p><p>It's a made-for-talkback proposal.  Any time a party that isn't ACT, National or NZ First proposes legislation of any sort, the cry will be "Out-of-touch elitist?</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q> I was amazed that Labour got any votes at all in the area, it was just that much of a wealthy peoples suburb.</q></p><p>Well they've always won it in the past. My folks are lamenting living in a blue electorate for the first time in their lives. Mum, a staunch?</p>
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				<title>Jacqui Dunn</title>
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						<p><q>Tizard had been completely invisible during the election campaign</q></p><p>Not the first time I've heard that one.</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p><q>Wikipedia says B-W doesnt have a list at all ( uniquely in german state elections), The supplementary members are selected from the defeated electoral candidates , by party and by the highest numbers of votes they received.</q></p><p>I wonder what Gower et al would think of that.  But really, it?</p>
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				<title>Peter Calder</title>
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						I accept that Tizard was ill-treated by some pretty vindictive  commentary. But hang on: she said she had "unfinished business",  and cited as the sole example her desire to give a valedictory speech. It takes a high degree of solipsism &ndash; not to mention a tin ear &ndash; to even?
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				<title>DeepRed</title>
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						<p><q>It's a made-for-talkback proposal. Any time a party that isn't ACT, National or NZ First proposes legislation of any sort, the cry will be "Out-of-touch elitist list MPs imposing their will on Real New Zealanders!" </q><br />Remember the Granny's infamous 'Economy goes into nosedive' headline 11 years ago? John Key after?</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p><q>The idea that parties should be forced to field two separate and incompatible slates of candidates has no virtue that I can think of.</q></p><p>You're not the only one.  The Royal Commission on the Electoral System thoroughly rejected the idea:</p><p><q>If list candidates were excluded from contesting constituencies voters would?</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 13:03:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Don?t put someone who can?t be arsed into close electorate race.</q></p><p>To be fair, she was still recovering from viral hepatitis at the time, so it wasn?t strictly ?can?t be arsed?. I gather there were also problems at the local electorate committee level, which led to a poor campaign.</p><p>Nikki?</p>
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				<title>Jacqui Dunn</title>
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						<p><q>To be fair, she was still recovering from viral hepatitis </q></p><p>Which explains a lot. It's a very nasty, debilitating disease. And, it can take a very long time to recover from, especially if you're fond of wine. (I'm not suggesting she's a lush, by the way, just that alcohol is?</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Hope fully Jacinda Ardern can succeed where Tizard didn't. Intellect, charisma, you name it. I'm starting to sound like I'm describing an RPG char.</q></p><p>Fingers crossed. With any luck, she's a paladin in the retribution tree.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Which explains a lot. It?s a very nasty, debilitating disease. And, it can take a very long time to recover from, especially if you?re fond of wine. (I?m not suggesting she?s a lush, by the way, just that alcohol is very hard on a recovering liver.)</q></p><p>I think she has?</p>
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				<title>Glenn Pearce</title>
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						<blockquote><p>To be fair, she was still recovering from viral hepatitis at the time, so it wasn?t strictly ?can?t be arsed?.</p></blockquote><p>Lived in Ak central 15 years same house, never had a candidate, sitting or otherwise knock on my door until Nikki Kaye. Maybe she just fluked it and we were?</p>
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				<title>Richard Wain</title>
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						<p><q>Her remarks about Goff, though not inaccurate, were petty and redundant</q></p><p>Wow, Jude made a point? I interviewed her once for a music feature around funding issues and despite chewing my ear off for half an hour or more, there wasn't one grab worth using...</p>
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				<title>Jacqui Dunn</title>
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						<p><q>I think she has the odd glass now, but she stopped drinking for a long time.</q></p><p>I had to give up the booze for a whole year, which wasn't that hard for me &ndash; I was the occasional glass of beer-type then. Wouldn't like to do it now, though :)?</p>
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				<title>BlairMacca</title>
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						<p><q>I would expect Jacinda Ardern to do well this year. Kaye?s had three years to impress, and really has not done so.</q></p><p>Sure its Breakfast, but it was kind of telling that at the beginning of this term Kaye was put up as one of the ?Young Guns? they chat?</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<p><q>Perhaps she's still not quite up to par?</q></p><p>Well, maybe the New Zealand Herald newsroom has also been affected by a virus for the last several years. Have you ever thought about that? It would explain so much. </p><p>Seriously, though, folks, I understand that a large sector of the media?</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>she's a paladin in the retribution tree</q></p><p>Prot FTW.</p><p>She'll have to learn to cover her contempt better. Her slots on Breakfast TV with the Nat boy are hilarious for the look on her face as he babbles party line. Sadly she isn't much above babbling party line either.</p><p>As?</p>
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				<title>Jacqui Dunn</title>
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						<p><q>basically perfect Gov Gen material.</q></p><p>And a thoroughly nice woman to boot. (I mean in the "as well" sense, folks!)</p>
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				<title>Jacqui Dunn</title>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						I am pleased to see Moira Coatsworth as the new party president. I had a little to do with her a few years ago through her work with special education (I think she's an ed psych). Anyhow very impressive, sensible and innovative in that field. This might even be the?
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q>In that sense, it?s the same lesson as John Banks being trounced by Hubbard in the mayoral race, then sweeping back three years later with almost exactly the same number of votes.</q> </p><p>A lot of independents in Auckland voted against the eastern motorway.  </p><p><q>If the Left gets its campaign right,?</q></p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>She'll have to learn to cover her contempt better.</q></p><p>Surely there's a buff for that?</p><p><q>Sadly she isn't much above babbling party line either.</q></p><p>It's kind of expected. She's not really invested with authority to make up her own party line. You have to get to party leader before you're?</p>
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						<p>The Herald last week cited Tizard's situation as a negative for MMP.  I was struggling to see why anyone would care about a situation that arises occasionally, has no affect on outcomes or policy and merely relects the outcome of the last election. </p><p>Meanwhile, despite being in a rush to?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Seriously, though, folks, I understand that a large sector of the media went to lunch on this thing, but if Tizard had been more disciplined and loyal none of this would have happened. She didn?t open her mouth but to hurt her own reputation and the party last week. </q></p><p>If?</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<p><q>To be fair, viral hepatitis is a pretty good excuse for low energy, as excuses go.</q></p><p>Sure. Having been in a place with no cellphone coverage somewhat less so. Was she the only person on the planet who hadn't anticipated that Darren Hughes would retire?</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>To be fair, viral hepatitis is a pretty good excuse for low energy, as excuses go.</q></p><p>To be fair to herself, Auckland Central, and Labour, it would have been the perfect excuse to put someone else in there.</p>
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				<title>Rex Widerstrom</title>
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						<p><q>A winning list candidate has got 40,000+ votes from the whole country. A winning electroral candidate typically gets 10-15000 votes, all clumped in one place.</q></p><p>Any evidence at all that any voter was aware of, say, anyone below number five on the list of the party for whom they were?</p>
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						<p>In her Q &amp; A interview she mentioned that she'd finally heard from Goff and Little (I think) a day earlier. After a week of bad media. </p><p>It seems like this whole thing could have been avoided if they'd phoned her up and been polite and reasonable instead of making rather?</p>
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						Rex: As arguments go, it is insupportable to hold voters who vote for a party do not also support its list. The votes for the party are evidence that people supported the list &ndash; whether they know who is on it or not. If they care, then they know. If?
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						<p><q>I'm actually in favour of having a strong, enforcable framework of basic law. But it should be entrenched by popular mandate and reflect real human rights and principles, not the "right to make a fast buck".</q></p><p>(Since you get two posts I'll take two replies :-P)</p><p>That's a very important?</p>
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						<p><q>Perhaps it's time for NZ to embark on a national conversation around what we consider to be our basic human rights as Australia did in 2009* and then set about codifying these into law.</q></p><p>Already done it.  It's called the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990.  The real question?</p>
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				<title>Rex Widerstrom</title>
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						<p><q> The votes for the party are evidence that people supported the list &ndash; whether they know who is on it or not.</q></p><p>That seems oxymoronic, and instead supports my contention that someone voted for (let's say) Labour's list because they wanted Labour to form the government and had __no other?</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Surely there?s a buff for that?</q></p><p>The trinket drops in Heroic HoO, but it's on use :(</p>
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				<title>Rex Widerstrom</title>
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						<p><q>Already done it. It's called the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990.</q></p><p>Yeah, we're ahead of the Aussies in that respect (as I took <em>great</em> delight in reminding them when I got the chance to address the Review :-D)</p><p>But the Australian example went further, and into far greater?</p>
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				<title>Katita</title>
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						Oh puhleese ... Judith was next on the List, would she accept the seat? Yes or No? Let's face it, she's a drama queen with very little to offer. She could have easily baby-sat the seat until the next election (or not). Instead she chose the high-viz approach complete with?
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						One important right that we don't have is the right to a fair and democratic legislative process. Sure, we have  <em>"the right to vote in genuine periodic elections of members of the House of Representatives, which elections shall be by equal suffrage and by secret ballot"</em> but there's nothing to?
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						<p>So basically, a smaller party (that has one or no electorates) would be solely represented by the leader, who would cast a block vote at their discretion.</p><p>(Call me cynical, but you were in NZ First some time ago, right? I can see how that would have been attractive...)</p><p>I?</p>
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				<title>GeoffRobinson</title>
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						<p>Maybe I'm ignorant of party processes but couldn't Labour have reviewed their list post-election so that it reflected their actual preference for next-in-line candidates?<br />Doesn't seem to be an MMP issue at all &ndash; just poor foresight.</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<p><q>Maybe I'm ignorant of party processes but couldn't Labour have reviewed their list post-election so that it reflected their actual preference for next-in-line candidates?</q></p><p>I sincerely hope it's not possible to do this. Some of us actually read those lists ahead of the elections, you know. I'd hate for a?</p>
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						I wonder what will happen to the Green vote in Auckland Central without Nandor in the running. A lot of traditional Labour supporters may have given him their electorate vote. Many others may not have voted for him but might like his replacement. It could have an effect on Labour's?
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p><q>I?ve always favoured STV in some form, possibly heavily modified, but a comment by ?Yvette? on a post I wrote on MMP suggested an interesting alternative.</p><p>Basically it?s that the party vote gives a ?weight? to the votes of the Party, cast by the Leader of Whip. So each electorate?</q></p>
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						If you mean the legally binding list, no. The list is filed before the election and used to supply any vacancies between then and the next election (<a href="http://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0087/latest/DLM309474.html#DLM309474" target="_blank">S.137 Electoral Act</a>). To vary the list, the party has to persuade the candidate(s) they don't want elected to stand aside. Only candidates?
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				<title>Rex Widerstrom</title>
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						<p><q>So basically, a smaller party (that has one or no electorates) would be solely represented by the leader, who would cast a block vote at their discretion.<br />(Call me cynical, but you were in NZ First some time ago, right? I can see how that would have been attractive...)</q></p><p>So?</p>
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						Andre: Nandor had already retired last election. Denise Roche was the Green candidate for Auckland Central.
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						Yeah, but there are some minority parties that *do* have a real caucus. Well, the Greens. (Ok, maybe ACT have disparate ideas, but I'm sure Rodney would prefer to replace Heather, Roger and the rest with a block voting certificate. Or maybe the Business Roundtable could just be consulted by?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 17:26:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p><q>The system Yvette proposed wouldn?t stop, say, Winston having an ?advisory board? (at his own expense), but we would?t be paying for the fallacy that there?s an actual caucus he consults.</q></p><p>We also wouldn't be paying for minor parties' workloads according to the proportion of the country they represent, which?</p>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p><q>indolent, blindly loyal list MPs</q></p><p>This is, surely, a matter for voters to give serious consideration to when placing their party vote, rather than a reason to ditch the system. </utopian_fantasy></p>
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						<p><q>Maybe I'm ignorant of party processes but couldn't Labour have reviewed their list post-election so that it reflected their actual preference for next-in-line candidates?</q></p><p>No.  <a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0087/latest/DLM309474.html#DLM309474" target="_blank">section 137</a> of the Electoral Act 1993 requires that list vacancies be filled from the same party list as the departing member &ndash; that is?</p>
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				<title>Rex Widerstrom</title>
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						<p><q>We also wouldn't be paying for minor parties' workloads according to the proportion of the country they represent</q></p><p>We could still fund <em>staff</em> in accordance to that proportion. But as I said, I'm not endorsing Yvette's suggestion, just pointing out that, if implemented, the only place we'd notice the difference?</p>
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						<p><q>No. section 137 of the Electoral Act 1993 requires that list vacancies be filled from the same party list as the departing member &ndash; that is</q></p><p>I think one of the things here is that Labour's list was drawn up when Labour was in government and hoping to remain in?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I'm not so sure. Some of Tizard's comments last week did come across as petulant and as sour grapes. </q></p><p>And loathe as I am to stand up for Tizzard, she was perfectly entitled to get pissy at Andrew Little running around the media expressing a "preference" for her to stand?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Sure its Breakfast, but it was kind of telling that at the beginning of this term Kaye was put up as one of the ?Young Guns? they chat to. She was replaced by Simon Bridges after about 2 weeks.</q></p><p>Well, Blair, I heard she walked because she couldn't face Paul?</p>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<p>Having worked for list MPs, I can say:</p><p>1)  They (at least some of them) work damn hard on constituency cases<br />2)  I heard one MP's out-of-Parliament-secretary (OOPS) say, 'My goodness, for years I bagged MPs, but now I see how hard this one works.'</p><p>Just saying</p>
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						<p><q>We cannot have failed electorate MPs sneaking back into parliament by the back door</q></p><p>So vitriolic. Such short memories. Judith held Panmure for two terms before shifting to Auckland Central, winning it from Sandra Lee, and holding it for another three terms after that one, before hepatitis, Nikki Kaye, losing?</p>
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						When describing a politician as ?talented? is it an evaluation of the subject?s ability to lie convincingly?
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>So vitriolic. Such short memories. Judith held Panmure for two terms before shifting to Auckland Central, winning it from Sandra Lee,</q></p><p>To whom the electorate had been surrendered by a feckless Richard Prebble, who promptly fucked off and, quite deliberately, left scorched earth where his LEC had been.</p><p>People tend?</p>
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						<p><q>Well, Blair, I heard she walked because she couldn?t face Paul Henry first thing in the morning ? which is a considerable mark of character and good judgement, in my book.</q></p><p>She couldn't face the questions of former National candidate Henry in the morning.  Boy.</p>
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						<p>Yeah, never mind parliament, should failed MPs be allowed to make careers as broadcasters?</p><p>(Seriously, in the UK, TV/radio news would never employ a politician and even current affairs are a bit wary).</p>
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						<p><q>(Seriously, in the UK, TV/radio news would never employ a politician and even current affairs are a bit wary).</q></p><p>Eh?</p><p>Brian Gould had his own talk show. Robert Kilroy-Silk ditto. And the likes of Michael Portillo have regular TV gigs. I'm sure I could make quite a long list if?</p>
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						<p><q>he couldn?t face the questions of former National candidate Henry in the morning. Boy.</q></p><p>No, she couldn?t stomach his relentless twatcockery, or so I've heard. Have you been living in some Fringe-style alternate universe where Paul Henry isn?t a bigoted troll?  Back on this planet, might have done public discourse?</p>
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						Not trolling just replying.  And you have me misunderstood, I am certainly in the Paul Henry is a nasty bigot camp.  I just would have thought for a National newbie it might have been an easy PR exercise which her leader seemed to rejoice in.
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						Correct, someone with Henry's political background  could get a Kilroy-Silk type gig in the UK but they  would never be considered for the position he managed to hold down with the state broadcaster here for far too long. Also, the moment a news presenter on any of the major networks?
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						<p>And now he makes a triumphant return courtesy of Mediaworks to the delighted squealing of his fans...<br /><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/personalities/news/article.cfm?c_id=72&amp;objectid=10716971" target="_blank">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/personalities/news/article.cfm?c_id=72&amp;objectid=10716971</a><br />So TVNZ 'didn't step up with a good enough offer' What's that about &ndash; I thought they'd just sacked him...</p>
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						I guess some of Mediaworks $40mln government bailout will go to pay his wages.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I guess some of Mediaworks $40mln government bailout will go to pay his wages.</q></p><p>Quite possibly ? but you really want the Government dictating who media organisations hire?  Think about that very carefully before you answer.  Meanwhile, I?ve got one more reason to give Three?s news and current affairs content?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Correct, someone with Henry?s political background could get a Kilroy-Silk type gig in the UK but they would never be considered for the position he managed to hold down with the state broadcaster here for far too long. </q></p><p>Ah. Gotcha.</p><p>But still, he was an unsuccessful candidate, once. I'm really?</p>
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						<p><q>you really want the Government dictating who media organisations hire</q></p><p>Well, some of us might think that the government is happy to dig into our pockets for a quick $40mln on account of Mediaworks being one of their stauncher supporters. Paranoia and worse, according to the soft-left, of course.</p><p>But?</p>
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						<p><q>So TVNZ 'didn't step up with a good enough offer'</q></p><p>I'd take anything that particular 'writer' says with a sack of salt &ndash; including this gem of "I interviewed my typewriter" classiness:</p><p><q>It has been suggested it was Anderson, who has personal links to Indian cricket, who was not in?</q></p>
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						<p><q>I?d take anything that particular ?writer? says with a sack of salt</q></p><p>Ah yes, Rachel "Glaucoma" &ndash; the willfully blind leading the dimwitted "majority"</p>
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						... And just as much a media "professional" as Henry is.
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						<p><q> Who the frak voted for Little again?</q></p><p>Um Labour Party members?</p>
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						<p><q>Um Labour Party members?</q></p><p>Oh, well, like <em>they</em> matter. Pffft.</p>
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						<p><q>Oh, well, like they matter. Pffft.</q></p><p>Well, they actually <em>don't</em> matter any more than I and my fellow National members do when it comes to who gets to enter Parliament.  Whether you believe me or not, if Pansy Wong has been a list MP I would have been severely unimpressed?</p>
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						I'm genuinely intrigued that Mediaworks has hired Henry. It's really disappointing. I can see how it makes smart financial sense, but morally, how can they justify it? Henry is literally a racist. There's no "well, he's just controversial", or "he just speaks his mind", or "he's anti-PC" covering here, he?
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						<p><q>I'm not saying a private company can't hire him. </q></p><p>Red herring.They are subject to the same broadcasting standards and laws. Which Henry breached. Repeatedly.</p>
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						BTW, I'm aware Henry will likely continue to say thinly-veiled offensive things (like when he called homosexuality unnatural and compared gays to filthy monkeys) and not be as stupid as to be blatantly racist again, so Mediaworks' PR spokesperson can always cover for him, so we'll never find out the?
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						<p><q>I?m not saying a private company can?t hire him.</p><p>Red herring.They are subject to the same broadcasting standards and laws. Which Henry breached. Repeatedly.</q></p><p>That didn't get him fired, though, right? And it doesn't stop Mediaworks from hiring him. Henry got fired for PR reasons. The BSA is largely toothless,?</p>
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						<p><q>Henry got fired for PR reasons.</q></p><p>What, you don't think the BSA-regulated complaints process played any role in that?</p>
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						<p><q>operates under a higher bar</q></p><p>You may believe that, but I doubt TVNZ does</p>
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						On air Paul Henry plays the role of the bloke who "just says what everyone else is thinking" and those of us who don't like it can and do complain &ndash; I suppose MediaWorks think that any publicity is good publicity. I suspect they're not too bothered about any BSA-regulated?
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						<p><q>Henry got fired for PR reasons.</p><p>What, you don?t think the BSA-regulated complaints process played any role in that?</q></p><p>Paul Henry "resigned" <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&amp;objectid=10679561" target="_blank">20 October 2010</a>. The BSA decision came out <a href="http://www.bsa.govt.nz/decisions/show/4130" target="_blank">18 March 2011.</a> They found in favour of TVNZ's handling of the situation. They had nothing to do with his letting?</p>
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						<p><q>operates under a higher bar</p><p>You may believe that, but I doubt TVNZ does</q></p><p>I don't believe that, really, but because TVNZ is taxpayer-funded, it is subject to political pressures that Mediaworks isn't.</p>
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						<q>On air Paul Henry plays the role of the bloke who ?just says what everyone else is thinking? and those of us who don?t like it can and do complain ? I suppose MediaWorks think that any publicity is good publicity. I suspect they?re not too bothered about any BSA-regulated?</q>
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						<p><q>What, you don?t think the BSA-regulated complaints process played any role in that?</q></p><p>Actually, I don't, except as part of a wave of criticism, especially from advertisers.</p>
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						<p><q>I?d also love for all these ?saying what?s on people?s minds? euphemisms to stop and for people to call a spade a racist</q></p><p>I am proud to say that Paul Henry has never said anything that was on my mind before he said it.</p>
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				<title>Jacqui Dunn</title>
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						<p><q>However he does seem to have a few fans so maybe they just want to cater to them.</q></p><p>One of the most depressing sentences I've read today.</p>
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						<p><q>BSA-regulated complaints process</q></p><p>That includes the internal first stage of complaints directly to the broadcaster, not just to the BSA. The whole process is set down in the law. </p><p>I doubt TVNZ's management were unaware of the hundreds of complaints when they made their decision. Nor were their advertisers. And?</p>
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						<p><q>I?d love to know where Mediaworks draws the line from a moral point of view, rather than a monetary one</q></p><p>I agree. I'm just not expecting they'll tell us. I guess we'll find out when fatuous Mr Henry attacks the next disadvantaged group. He made the mistake of having a?</p>
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						<p><q>what is the level where money trumps morality? </q></p><p>For most people there are specific thresholds but for some people there appears to be no threshold essentially more money is the only moral decision. And it's a decision they can spend ages rationalising.</p><p>What seems to happen is that our current?</p>
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						<p><q>genuinely intrigued that Mediaworks has hired Henry</q></p><p>He joins Lhaws, I mean really that station has defined a special place for itself in the market.</p>
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						<p><q>I am proud to say that Paul Henry has never said anything that was on my mind before he said it.</q><br />+1<br />I have rarely heard any of his utterances live on air &ndash; I don't watch that kind of TV if I can help it &ndash; but anything contentious?</p>
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						<p><q>What seems to happen is that our current method of choosing people to manage companies selects for that small percentage of the population that can abandon morals for money. </q> <br />It's almost worse than that. Who said "a corporation cannot blush"? Companies exist to make money for their shareholders. They don't?</p>
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						<p><q>Companies exist to make money for their shareholders. </q></p><p>One would hope that some of those shareholders might have morals though.</p>
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						<p><q>Henry is literally a racist. There's no "well, he's just controversial", or "he just speaks his mind", or "he's anti-PC" covering here, he was exposed as a racist and got fired for it.</q></p><p>I don't think he got fired for being racist because I don't think he was actually being?</p>
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						<p><q>Companies exist to make money for their shareholders. They don?t exist to make moral decisions. Expecting them to is like expecting shampoo to do your homework :)</q></p><p>This is true. It ignores there are real live people in charge of those corporations that surely have morals, but I guess they?</p>
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						<q>I don?t think he got fired for being racist because I don?t think he was actually being racist when he made his offensive comments about Sheila Dikshit?s name. He was applying a non-intended cultural context to her name, and found it amusing to (and wildly beyond) the point of offence.</q>?
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						<p><q>This is true. It ignores there are real live people in charge of those corporations that surely have morals, but I guess they ignore them in order to serve the corporation?s money-making function.</q></p><p>Time to plug <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Corporation" target="_blank">The Corporation</a> again.</p><p><q>The Corporation is a 2003 Canadian documentary film written by Joel?</q></p>
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						<p><q>But it would be interesting to know how far you're allowed to go in capitalist society, 2011, New Zealand.</q></p><p>Maybe <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2007/s1893594.htm" target="_blank">this kind of far</a>?</p>
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						<p>I actually think expecting companies or shareholders to have any sort of morals is naive and wrong &ndash; even when those companies are seen as "nice" (Google? Apple? Body Shop?) any positive motivation is likely to be transient.</p><p>In the case of Mediaworks, they are owned by an Australian private?</p>
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						<p><q>Time to plug The Corporation again.</q></p><p>I own it. It's chilling.</p>
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						<p><q>I own it. It?s chilling.</q></p><p>Yup. It sure is.</p>
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						<p><q>I own it. It's chilling.</q></p><p>And if The Corporation gives you the chills, then <em>Inside Job</em> makes you livid.</p>
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				<title>Rex Widerstrom</title>
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						<p><q> However he does seem to have a few fans so maybe they just want to cater to them.</q></p><p>Undoubtedly he does, but the thing is, they're fans not because he's particularly good at interviewing and presenting (he's not), or offers any insight, or brings anything to the table other than?</p>
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						<p><q>expecting companies or shareholders to have any sort of morals</q></p><p>Meeting the interests of broader stakeholders is hardly new thinking &ndash; it's the virulently neolib focus on only those of share owners that's comparatively recent.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>I actually think expecting companies or shareholders to have any sort of morals is naive and wrong</q></p><p>I both agree and disagree with you. Yes in practice I think it's naive to expect moral behaviour from companies when in practice it almost never occurs.</p><p>However, as a society I think?</p>
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						<p><q>Unfortunately it is for some reason unacceptable to moderate the free market, even to suggest such a a thing is greeted with the kind of horror that is usually associated with the most heinous of crimes.</q></p><p>We have few genuine pure markets. Our business 'leaders' and their cronies are more?</p>
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						Precisely. When people refer to 'market failures', they're really talking about socialism for the rich, or the Dooh Nibor doctrine. Funny how left wingers and libertarians (of the Ayn Rand kind) can find common ground on certain economic issues.
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						<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/4856873/500m-bailout-for-quake-hit-AMI-insurance" target="_blank">This just in</a>. It's reinforced what I wrote in my previous post.
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>if we want morally responsible behaviour from companies then we have to moderate the free market. </q><br />Yeah, and we do. Labour laws, health and safety regulations, minimum wages, environmental protections, consumer protections, commercial law, contracts/torts, by-laws, fair-trading- etc etc. You get the picture. <br />The debate is about whether, and where,?</p>
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						AMI Insurance covers many smaller policies and has been exposed to two large payout events in a statistically-unlikely short time. I don't have a problem with a government guarantee while the company sorts out other financing or ownership. Seems way fairer than SCF with its moral hazard-inducing related party and?
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						<p><q>AMI Insurance covers many smaller policies and has been exposed to two large payout events in a statistically-unlikely short time.</q></p><p>AMI also have a reputation for having been undercutting other other insurance companies premium prices, by not buying the same level of reinsurance cover as other companies.</p>
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						Interesting. I imagine they'll end up sold off, won't they?
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						<p>Tower is already sniffing around, according to the article about the payout on Stuff.<br />But I'm sure we'll manage to socialise all the debt before we sell them off on the basis that Gummint shouldn't be in insurance.</p>
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						<p>Economist Matt Nolan briefly ponders the <a href="http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/ami-and-moral-hazard/" target="_blank">moral hazard</a>.</p><p><q>insurance firms will discount these large scale low probability events ? and take on more risk when providing loans.  Their willingness to take on more risk than is socially optimal will be paid for by tax payers.</q></p>
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						And '<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10717665" target="_blank">tupperwaka</a>' is a definite candidate for PA's WOTY. Thanks in no small part to Shane Jones (Ngapuhi I think).
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