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  • LegBreak,

    P.S. The main beef I’ve got with these truck people is that I’ve had that excruciating Convoy song on the brain all day.

    Just that I’d share that burden…

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1162 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    you don't have to screw over your hardware to play the thing.

    you can play the thing just fine, its copying it that's difficult. for the one small advantage to some legit purchasers it causes a very large disadvantage to the music producer.. I would think that was an easily acknowledgeable point, but apparently not.

    but more importantly, who wants to see some early eighties RB footage? I've been digitising my long treasured vhs (DRM Free) and heaven knows why but there are 2 chunks of RB interview on there, leather jacket cool, attitude set to 11 etc.
    I could be persuaded to 'lose' them if RB admits he loves drm.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    you say that like its some kind of selling point advantage to the legitimate purchaser.

    I'm sure the people who bought Windows Media "Plays for Sure" tunes, and can't now play them on a Microsoft Zune, and before long (Microsoft has just kindly consented to run its activation servers for another three years) won't be able to transfer their music to the new computer they buy would regard it as a selling point, yes.

    There is absolutely no question that buying DRM-free gives the consumer greater security of ownership and control. It is, therefore, a selling point.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 19116 posts Report Reply

  • Don Christie,

    you can play the thing just fine, its copying it that's difficult.

    That statement is quite inaccurate. Why you keep making the same mistake on this forum, over and over again, is beyond me.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1620 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    Zune

    smirk

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    That statement is quite inaccurate.

    if you pay for a download its playable on the platform you down load it on. its copying it to other platforms that is the issue, correct?

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    absolutely no question

    so that's a no on acquiring 'exclusive ownership' of my 'vintage' footage?
    part of my point was you state it like its the big thing about it, but surely the quality of the media is far more of a selling point than the disproportional amount of attention you give to its copy protection. I notice you listed drm free first. bee in you bonnet?

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Don Christie,

    if you pay for a download its playable on the platform you down load it on.

    That is also incorrect. Try again.

    But even were to to be right, consider this, if your main music system is not connected to your main Internet system where does that leave you?

    Pretty screwed as a customer, so you are wrong, again...

    you say that like its some kind of selling point advantage to the legitimate purchaser.

    ...remember?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1620 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    bee in your bonnet?

    I'd like to take this unintentionally on-topic phrase as an opportunity to politely ask: aren't there two other threads devoted to endless head-against-wall DRM discussion, and do we really need to make this rather interesting thread into the third?

    I'm sorry if everyone else gets a kick out of it, but I for one am tired of seeing worthwhile threads derailed into epic discussions of music piracy every time DRM is mentioned.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1574 posts Report Reply

  • noizyboy,

    What Sam F said.

    wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 171 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    politely ask

    sure thing, politeness works with me
    I'm just unsure why russell keeps pushing his drm thing, and will pick him up on it where every he pushes it,

    but back to trucks,

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    hey james, whatever happened to your site, it was a really good resource for a while back there,

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • noizyboy,

    hey james, whatever happened to your site, it was a really good resource for a while back there,

    Just waiting for some love and attention. All the data is still there, languising on my hard drive at home (and various backups about the place).

    Time, the most valuable resource...

    wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 171 posts Report Reply

  • Hamboy,

    if you pay for a download its playable on the platform you down load it on

    That's kinda like buying a CD, that will only play in your car CD player.
    If you want to play it in your stereo, you have to buy another copy of it. And other to play it on your PC etc.
    Sounds absurd doesn't it?
    Yet that's what a lot of DRM does and that's why I bitch about it.
    I bought it, I should be able to play it with what every I want.

    RB has a bee in his bonnet?
    How come I only see you (robbery) post on here about how DRM and how DRM free is wrong.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 162 posts Report Reply

  • 81stcolumn,

    I’m trying to get my head around this. The truckies come out to play:

    i) And a fair few cars stay off the road …burning less gas.
    ii) People get off busses and walk into town…burning less gas and walking is no bad thing of itself.
    iii) The net speed of road haulage goes down and probably burns less gas and causes less road damage.
    iv) We get to debate the place of road haulage in society.

    I suspect sympathy would evaporate if these dudes did this once too often (no bad thing either)…..should we get them to do this again ?

    I’m off down the George to clear my head……… <big facetious wink>

    Nawthshaw • Since Nov 2006 • 732 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    I'm about to head out into peak-hour traffic, and hopefully truck-related chaos will be minimal.

    The $500 claim interests me. If you assume a 250-litre diesel capacity for a truck, that's about two fill-ups. Half a grand would have filled the same tank about four times over a few years back. Why is it apparently so easy to mobilise truckies in protest over a tiny additional charge, as opposed to fuel prices that are going to slowly throttle some of them anyway?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1574 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    I fail at maths - half a thou buys one fill now as opposed to two not so very long ago. Point stands despite my Heineken-fuelled error.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1574 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Okay, here's the big fucking problem: no one amongst a crew of well-paid government communicators could come up with three clear bullet points like Idiot/Savant has done:

    • Heavy trucks are responsible for a third of the damage done to our roads. They don't pay a third of the costs of maintaining them.

    • A 2005 Ministry of Transport study into surface transport costs and charges showed that truck drivers receive enormous subsidies, paying only 56% of the social cost of their activities, compared with 64% for cars, and 82% for trains.

    • The increase for an average truck is around $500 a year.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 19116 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    I’m trying to get my head around this. The truckies come out to play:

    Watching an interview last night with Annette King and Tony Friedlander . The claim was that Annette King had promised to give them notice. Her point was that when they only gave 3 days notice last time, which had been okay then, $17.5 million RUC had been prepurchased . Also $40 million in taxes is outstanding.I assume it was owed by the industry. She invites Friedlander to meet to work together. He quickly, quietly said yes "after tomorrow". I got the impression it would have happened no matter what.
    I say get those freight trains rolling, get rid of the trucks on the already congested roads. Today was proof, it's all good without them.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6357 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    RB has a bee in his bonnet?
    How come I only see you (robbery) post on here about how DRM and how DRM free is wrong.

    trucks.

    sam f?

    I think that when russell continually focuses on that feature it inflates a negative attitude toward people trying to protect their distribution. Only a couple of days ago russell was objecting to media hyping drug issues making them seem worse than russell thought they were. its a roll reversal of that situation.
    I'm happy to not mention it again if russell is happy to focus on things like quality of offered download. surely that's much more important.

    don, I'd love to but I won't.

    Why is it apparently so easy to mobilise truckies in protest over a tiny additional charge, as opposed to fuel prices that are going to slowly throttle some of them anyway?

    I thought the same thing. are they going to mobilise against the a revamped rail system encroaching on their livelihood.
    someone's hurt by every forward move it seems. fair enough they have something to say about it, hard to defend their position though in light of environmental issues.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Kim Griggs,

    John Key has laid out his proposals for roading here
    http://www.johnkey.co.nz/index.php?/archives/237-SPEECH-Road-Transport-Forum.html

    His fomula is: tolls, government debt in the form of infrastructure bonds and taxes. "Road taxes will continue to be by far the most common source of financing for New Zealand's roads."

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 18 posts Report Reply

  • 81stcolumn,

    Altogether now -

    You can be active with the activists or sleeping with the sleepers while you're waiting for the Great Leap Forwards

    Nawthshaw • Since Nov 2006 • 732 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    What's been amusing, as Robyn pointed out over at our Wellingtonista blog (live-blogging the, um, 'action'), is seeing the right-wing radio-talkback mob getting up in arms about the enforcement of a user-pays policy.

    Blimmin socialists!! Errr, hang on...

    Yes, and I do hope the folks sneering at the truckers are going to take a good long pull on their fuckupachino next time they bitch about the price of petrol, or retailers 'passing on' increased transport costs when it comes to paying for their cheese and whine.

    John Key has laid out his proposals for roading here
    http://www.johnkey.co.nz/index.php?/archives/237-SPEECH-Road-Transport-Forum.html

    His fomula is: tolls, government debt in the form of infrastructure bonds and taxes. "Road taxes will continue to be by far the most common source of financing for New Zealand's roads."

    Well, Kim, I have noticed Anette King gets rather foggy when the subject of tolls, 'public-private partnerships' or bond financing comes up. Everyone want to go to heaven but nobody wants to die first. Big surprise that.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12073 posts Report Reply

  • DeepRed,

    I thought the same thing. are they going to mobilise against the a revamped rail system encroaching on their livelihood.

    I wouldn't be surprised if anyone goes as far as grabbing a free airline ticket to Hotel Guantanamo by bombing the NIMT.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 4431 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Her point was that when they only gave 3 days notice last time, which had been okay then, $17.5 million RUC had been prepurchased .

    Sofie: I guess Anette King doesn't remember the good ol' days when people like my parents would stock up on cigs and liquor (and even gas up the car) ahead of Budget Day.

    I say get those freight trains rolling, get rid of the trucks on the already congested roads. Today was proof, it's all good without them.

    So do I -- and I sure hope a reality-based bill for the public investment required is going to be made public BEFORE the election. Because my partner works in rail, and I've talked to people who support the nationalisation but view the 1.5 billion figure being bandied about as total bullshit. Frankly, I don't think roading is the only part of transport policy where some tiresome facts and figures (along with physical reality) has to get in the room despite it being an election year.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12073 posts Report Reply

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