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Hard News: Veitch

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  • 3410,

    3410 - this is an assault conviction. It's just a more serious one that has the injuring in it instead of the word assault.

    Thanks. I see that now.

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    "Reputation, reputation, reputation! O, I have lost my reputation, I have lost the immortal part of myself, and what remains is bestial!"

    I think the words excessive-narcissism some that up.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2751 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Beard,

    Many thanks, Graeme, for clarifying the hierarchy. The legalese is pretty opaque to some of us ("injuring with intent to wound" vs "wounding with intent to injure"?), and I was trying to find out for myself what the wording of the charge actually meant.

    Google has some interesting results:

    "reckless disregard causing injury"

    -> about 200 results

    "reckless disregard causing injury" -veitch

    -> no results

    It's interesting how every media outlet seems to have reproduced one report verbatim, and that it doesn't match the actual wording of the charge. Without your list, I would have concluded that the charge had been invented solely for cases of veitching.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1039 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    Graeme, I'd started writing before your comment was posted. I do wish that the "Preview" button would update the page as well as previewing the comment.

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Surely what Veitch has now admitted doing would in and of itself tend to: "lower a person in the estimation of right-thinking members of society, ... cause the person to be shunned or avoided, or... cause the person to be exposed to hatred, contempt or ridicule."

    But hey, I understand that our glorious justice system lets one protect as much reputation as one can buy.

    I really wonder if all the talk of suicide attempts wasn't just a smart gambit on the part of the defence team, knowing that when the time came it could be used to leverage their client out of a custodial sentence.

    I couldn't possibly comment..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16739 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    I do wish that the "Preview" button would update the page as well as previewing the comment.

    Great idea for the cactus elves!

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16739 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    I encourage as much use of the word "veitching" as possible.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16739 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Litterick,

    I have always understood the best defence against action for defamation to be having the money to pay for expensive lawyers. It is not an area of the Law which is predicated on fairness.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1000 posts Report Reply

  • Tony Kennedy,

    180 hours community service and ordered to pay reparation for willfully damaging a bag of feta cheese.

    As Plutarch might say: Veni, vidi, veitchy offski

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 218 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Lets not all forget how humiliating it will be for tony veitch, to serve the community; more than the average criminal?

    Since Nov 2006 • 2751 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    "injuring with intent to wound" vs "wounding with intent to injure"?

    A wound is more serious than an injury (which is more serious than an assault)

    Injuring with intent to wound is where you injure someone, but were intending to do worse to them.

    Wounding with intent to injure is where you wound someone, but weren't intending to go that far, but were 'only' intending to injure them.

    A broken bone is an example of injury. A stab wound is an example of a wound.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3009 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Lets not all forget how humiliating it will be for tony veitch, to serve the community; more than the average criminal?

    Yeah, he'll probably have to go on Dancing with the Stars.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4463 posts Report Reply

  • Zippy Gonzales,

    How a kveitch? It comes from kvetch, meaning to complain persistently and whiningly.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 186 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    I have always understood the best defence against action for defamation to be having the money to pay for expensive lawyers.

    I've this hope in the back of my mind that once in my legal career I'll successfully defend a defamation suit by arguing consent .

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3009 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    "Kveitch" is good.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16739 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen,

    Stuart

    Can you or someone else remember the name?

    Good, cheap Malaysian food -

    If they're good let us know so we can go too :).

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3414 posts Report Reply

  • B Jones,

    I have always understood the best defence against action for defamation to be having the money to pay for expensive lawyers.

    Or the opposite. I vaguely recall a story told by the eminent Jonathan Boston, of when he was a young reckless student and got on the wrong side of some kind of lawsuit threat from some kind of powerful American. The lawyer asked for a list of his assets, and gave up in disgust when the best he could come up with was his bicycle.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 812 posts Report Reply

  • Stuart Coats,

    It was on Mount Street, across the road from a hostel (Macsomething hall?) and next to The Quest on Mount. I think it was called Angie's kitchen, but Keith or Alastair might have a better idea. Keith has it programmed into his iphone, I do know that!

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 181 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens,

    Now, putting on my evil Murdoch hat, I would have thought publishing something in my paper/magazine that was SURE to atttract a law suit from Mr. Veitch's trigger happy lawyers would guarantee several new rounds of high-selling headlines as the public right to know was defended from the evil lawyers...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1810 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens,

    P.S. I thought a "Kveitch" was a Jewish sailing vessel????

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1810 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    A broken bone is an example of injury. A stab wound is an example of a wound.

    Thats interesting. So it's prudent to go out on the town tooled up with base ball bats rather than knifes.

    Some times I forget where I am:)

    Since Nov 2006 • 2751 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Russell - thanks for your reference to Jim Traue. He was my first boss when I started working at the Turnbull Library and was quietly building up the internationally significant Millton collection and the Library's other collections, while positioning the Library, as you say, to fight the idealogues. Which happened. But the Library largely survived intact.

    After he retired he continued to fight for libraries when the Wellington Public library was under extreme threat of business process reengineering and the other managerial excesses of the 1990s. And at the end of the 1990s the govt of the day was busy selling off the National Library's book stock and running down services before the govt changed and the Library rescued with a new Act and better resourcing.

    And now there is another library fight and once again Jim has weighed in on the side of the Turnbull as a premier and unique research library, and for which he is once again getting vilified.

    Today's library bosses want to spend $70million on a massive and inappropriate rebuilding project that will see much of the collection unavailable for three years and with no guarantee of the safety of the collections or the jobs of the specialist librarians. (Just think how much digitisation, and back cataloguing could be done with that money!)

    The staff and researchers have, of course, hardly been consulted and the staff apparently banned from talking about it. So we need the Jim Traues of the world more than ever.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 2095 posts Report Reply

  • Stuart Coats,

    I remember reading that American Idol contestants, for example, are weeded into three groups before the judges even lay eyes on them. The middle group - the unexceptional ones - never see the judges at all, while the other two groups - 'good singers' and 'deluded/crazy/taking the piss people' get to go to the audition room we see on the telly.

    That is exactly right Danielle. Often the producers of the show do this before the judges have seen them - the auditions we see are in fact every contestant's second audition. The judges' reactions are usually completely unscripted and unrehearsed as they are seeing the contestants for the first time, just like we are.
    However, with Ms Boyle I get the feeling that Simon Cowell, being a producer of the show, was in on this right from the start. And being cynical I have a feeling that she may have even auditioned in a previous series and Cowell brought her in when the franchise was flagging and needed a lift.
    I thought she was good, but if you took a recording of her without the backstory and without seeing her it wouldn't be remarkable.
    I Dreamed A Dream was a good choice though - that's always a good one for getting people to cry and it suits the "backstory" she has well.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 181 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Litterick,

    And an excellent piece of architecture is going to be mucked up.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1000 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    I thought she was good, but if you took a recording of her without the backstory and without seeing her it wouldn't be remarkable.
    I Dreamed A Dream was a good choice though - that's always a good one for getting people to cry and it suits the "backstory" she has well.

    I wondered. And I know I was being manipulated every way that the magic of television can do it -- that clip is a bravura job of editing -- but it was still amazingly effective.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18957 posts Report Reply

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