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  • Danyl Mclauchlan,

    "It has now reached a level where it is intolerable and now I am begging that both the media and the public back off."

    - Zoe Veitch

    Cue the 'Sorcerors Apprentice' scene from Fantasia.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 896 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    "This, too, shall pass-"

    I remember hearing a swag baggers diddle that said something like: I bide my time...My enemies will die by time.

    This is pertinent to social anxiety generated depression. PTSD.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2485 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    Presumably comment on the 2006 email is free as it's now public in the HoS?

    That type of behaviour was not "us" ... not even close... we are much better people than that... I know that in my heart that certainly was not me...

    ... Actually I'm struggling to put this into words, so perhaps y'all can just ruminate on its various shades of meaning. Speaks for itself IMO.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1549 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    DPF has a handy roundup of today's coverage, which is of course followed by the usual range of demented responses.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1549 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    Oh, one more post lest I start to look obsessed with all this - Kerre Woodham's magnificently irony-free take on the affair. Or perhaps it was just written before time?

    Some media organisations must be wondering what on earth they'll do to fill their pages and their airtime now that Tony Veitch has pleaded guilty to kicking his ex-girlfriend.

    Editors around the country would have been rubbing their hands in gleeful anticipation at the prospect of juicy details of Tony and Kristin's tumultuous relationship being exposed in court as the prosecution and defence fought for months for the favours of the jury.

    And now all that's been denied with both the prosecution and defence agreeing to drop six charges of assault and Veitch pleading guilty to injuring his girlfriend with careless disregard for her safety.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1549 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    This too shall pass

    I always understood that the king had asked his sages for a saying that would be true in all circumstances...

    ... I certainly hope it is in this one.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2919 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle,

    The Herald:

    A sobbing Tony Veitch rang the Herald on Sunday.... Zoe Veitch... 'I am begging that both media and public back off'.

    Then Stuff:

    Just two hours before police took Tony Veitch back to Hamilton's central police station for treatment yesterday after his latest suicide bid, the shamed broadcaster sent a desperate text message to Sunday News.

    Um. Can no one who cares perhaps confiscate the man's cellphone? The only people he appears to be contacting are journalists.

    This is all like some horribly bleak, sub- Private Eye satire. Media celeb organises media blitz to slam media for media coverage and/or lack of same.

    Heh. Well put. I must say, these past few days have been something else.

    This from Stuff is, I assume, more from the Veitch PR team:

    Kristin Dunne-Powell inquired about a TVNZ job which would have involved promoting Tony Veitch at a time she said she was living in fear of him.

    The whole article is foul, because its underlying implications are all 'she was trying to stay with him and still loved him, so the abuse clearly wasn't that bad'. Y'see, abused people often *do* still love their abusers. They often *do* still try to reconcile with them. That's partially why domestic abuse is really fucking horrible.

    Also: he still fractured her back. Dance around it all you want, question her motivations in the newspapers all you want, but he still did that. End of.

    Oh, and the Herald characterises his farewell email to her in November 2006 as 'gentle but firm'. Does anyone have a bucket?

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3623 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Cue the 'Sorcerors Apprentice' scene from Fantasia

    Gold. The entitled whining about being hoist by their own expensive petard is sickening.

    The world is indeed a strange place when Michael Lhaws makes some sense:

    I wrote a little less than a year ago that I empathised with Veitch because my resignation from parliament 13 years ago had similar trappings of over-reaching ego and rampant denial. But I also noted that his "mea culpa" of the time was crafted and insincere a ruse to shift responsibility.

    I'm not convinced that anything has changed, particularly given his post-sentencing performance on the steps of the Auckland District Court. This was an act of anger, not some concession of contrition.

    Certainly more self-aware than celeb shrink Sara Chatwin, who the SST used to add some respectability to their trawl through the latest smears from Veitch's cronies.

    Chatwin said it was human nature for someone to justify or quash public allegations. "Maybe one of them should put their hand up and say `I don't want to comment. Take your swipe but I'm not going to be responding'. To-ing and fro-ing is not good."

    Uh, one of them has been keeping quiet throughout, you silly woman.

    By contrast, the other SST story about the courting of the press shows the professional reflective journalism that has largely been absent:

    It feels uncomfortable being told by someone who has just been convicted of kicking a woman in the back that nudge, nudge, wink, wink we've got heaps more on her and if it had gone to trial, she would have been "incredibly adversely affected".
    ...

    Veitch lets slip: "If it wasn't for Glenda, we wouldn't have been able to control the media."
    ...

    Veitch says several times throughout the interview that it is unacceptable to hit women and that what he did was wrong, but it is always accompanied by a spiel about how he has suffered.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16281 posts Report Reply

  • Danyl Mclauchlan,

    If it wasn't for Glenda, we wouldn't have been able to control the media

    That'd be why his wife is begging the newspapers to leave her husband alone - because Hughes has such awesome control of the media.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 896 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Sunday News is Tony's special friend today: it gets this preposterous story implying that Dunne-Powell couldn't have been so hurt if she was prepared to take a job at TVNZ, and filled out with various personal texts and emails between the pair, doubtless supplied by Team Veitch.

    Tony Wall in the Star Times seems somewhat appalled by his interview with Veitch:

    Veitch has spent a good part of the past nine months digging for dirt on his former partner, and it is made explicitly clear that a "goldmine" was discovered but cannot be revealed for legal reasons. It feels uncomfortable being told by someone who has just been convicted of kicking a woman in the back that nudge, nudge, wink, wink we've got heaps more on her and if it had gone to trial, she would have been "incredibly adversely affected".

    Indeed. And:

    He talks of his "momentary lapse" and how it was unacceptable, but seems incapable of making such a comment without once again emphasising how much he has suffered.

    As everyone by Tony Veitch and Glenda Hughes seems to realise, the past few days could have been very different for Veitch. He could have acknowledged what he'd done, without qualification or begging for pity, and begun to get on with the rest of his life.

    What has happened instead is a disaster, and I really think that there should have been people around him who could stop him doing it to himself.

    To say this has damaged the reputation of his media advisor, Glenda Hughes, is putting it mildly.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18521 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Uh, one of them has been keeping quiet throughout, you silly woman.

    I can't help but think they had Chatwin on the line to comment on their silly story about whether Westies are happy, and thought they'd get a Veitch quote too. It's that lame.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18521 posts Report Reply

  • Christopher Dempsey,

    This morning's media circus is quite astonishing, a veritable tragi-comedy (qualifier - not downplaying suicide attempts) and thankfully provides fertile ground for some person doing a doctoral thesis involving self-absorbed people, media, law, sports, living by and dying by the 'media', and other things all mixed in with a spot of Deleuzian thought.

    Still, the best of a bad bunch in this 'drama', Tony Wall, sums it up - Veitch cannot, at the end of the day, appear to actually say sorry, without recourse to minimisation/justification/contexualisation of his actions.

    Parnell / Tamaki-Auckland… • Since Sep 2008 • 639 posts Report Reply

  • Danyl Mclauchlan,

    <i>one of them has been keeping quiet throughout</i>

    You're kidding yourself if you think Dunne-Powell hasn't been extensively leaking to the media and been professionally groomed and coached before doing her media interviews.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 896 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Regardless of concerns about "Team" Veitch's behaviour, the man clearly needs help and I hope he and his enablers just shut up now and let him focus on getting well.

    Documents presented to the Auckland District Court when Veitch appeared on Thursday gave a stark picture of his fragile mental state.

    A letter from psychologist Traude Leibbrand, written a few days before the hearing, said that Veitch had undergone 17 one-hour sessions since September last year after being referred for help by the local mental health crisis team.

    "Tony continues to struggle with feelings of shame, guilt and grief relating to the incident of assault of his previous partner and the resulting legal proceedings," read Leibbrand's report.

    "During the entire time of my involvement with Tony a close co-operation with the crisis team has been necessary as Tony's safety has been (and continues to be) compromised. He has been diagnosed with and continues to show symptoms of clinical depression and anxiety."

    Another letter from psychiatrist Dr Trish van Kralingen, who works for Auckland District Health Board, said Veitch had "a diagnosis of a major depressive episode which has resulted in him experiencing low mood, poor sleep, impaired concentration, lowered energy, loss of enjoyment of life, anxiety, suicidal ideation (thoughts) and at times suicidal behaviour".

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16281 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    You're kidding yourself if you think Dunne-Powell hasn't been extensively leaking to the media

    I admit that I have no evidence other than my assessment of her character in the interviews I have seen, incuding her denial of that accusation. She didn't seem as stage managed, but that may just mean she's better at it than Veitch is.

    Mind you, wouldn't you expect either the hungry media or his advisors to have provided evidence of any leaking by Dunne-Powell? I have to agree with Russell that their reputation must have suffered through this fiasco. Defamation proceedings wouldn't help much with that. Beyond resuscitation.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16281 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    I believe Jack Ross may have produce the first ever poem of Concern Over Tony Veitch's Safety. Beats reading the Sunday papers for my money.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7320 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Well there's a minute I'll never get back.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16281 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle,

    Mind you, wouldn't you expect either the hungry media or his advisors to have provided evidence of any leaking by Dunne-Powell?

    I'm sure she's had professional advice all along too. I just think hers was a lot better than his: her people seem to have said 'STFU until court, and keep calm in your appearances afterwards'. I don't think she's leaked squat to the media either - surely they would have been all over it if she had?

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3623 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    "Tony continues to struggle with feelings of shame, guilt and grief relating to the incident of assault of his previous partner and the resulting legal proceedings," read Leibbrand's report.
    "During the entire time of my involvement with Tony a close co-operation with the crisis team has been necessary as Tony's safety has been (and continues to be) compromised. He has been diagnosed with and continues to show symptoms of clinical depression and anxiety."
    Another letter from psychiatrist Dr Trish van Kralingen, who works for Auckland District Health Board, said Veitch had "a diagnosis of a major depressive episode which has resulted in him experiencing low mood, poor sleep, impaired concentration, lowered energy, loss of enjoyment of life, anxiety, suicidal ideation (thoughts) and at times suicidal behaviour".

    Thats not funny, Those look like the symptoms you might expect to see in a person thats been traumatized by domestic abuse.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2485 posts Report Reply

  • Kerry Weston,

    The world is indeed a strange place when Michael Lhaws makes some sense:

    Love "Lhaws", the way it has a laugh embedded in it. You're a man of great wit, sacha. Maybe Mr Lhaws has had a gutsful of the whole thing too.

    Not buying a Sunday paper today, read Lhaws and Woodham links and that's it. It's starting to make me feel grubby and voyeuristic.

    Manawatu • Since Jan 2008 • 494 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    A skip sideways re the provision of mental health services in the public system which is already fragile and needs major investment. I worry about the effect of Tony Ryall's quest for improvements to 'productivity' in the health system by concentrating on measurables like elective surgery discharges and waiting times for cancer treatment. So what services will have to be cut to meet these targets as there is no more money? Mental health, disability, community health are likely options.

    So that psychiatrist from the DHB might not be there for the future non-celebs who need that help.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 2009 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Hilary, I have had experienced try to gain appropriate psychological help, for dealing with Complex PTSD, from ACC. That process was harrowing. I was like I was a car wreck being assessed by state insurance. What I suggest, is that all available funds currently held by ACC destined for there sensitive claims unit, be distributed among public community mental health clinics.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2485 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Kerry, Lhaws was Giovanni's idea I think.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16281 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    There are still serious problems with the funding and management of mental health services. Today's Herald reports on a couple of failures in Auckand.

    The new minister in charge of mental health, Associate Health Minister Dr Jonathan Coleman, said reviews were unnecessary when some of the system's worst problems were obvious and it was up to experts in the field to find solutions.

    He was concerned about high occupancy rates at some residential units - Te Whetu Tawera, for example, had operated well above the ideal occupancy rate of 85 per cent for almost a year - and there were questions about whether patients transferred to community care were getting appropriate treatment.

    Coleman intended ordering a review of spending on non-governmental contractors who provided community mental health care.

    He did not believe boards had "a huge handle on what they were getting for that money".

    Staff retention was an issue across the entire health sector but had become "increasingly" difficult with the mental health workforce.

    He had also asked for a briefing about why cash paid to boards exclusively for mental health care was not always being fully used.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16281 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Kerry, Lhaws was Giovanni's idea I think.

    By the transitive property of compliments, I'm going to usurp "being a man of great wit" for the day. Hooray!

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7320 posts Report Reply

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