Hard News: We'll find out where all the parties are
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"Is Nature liberal or conservative?"
Sing with me and Gilbert and Sullivan:
"Nature always does contrive / that every boy or girl born alive / is either a little liberal or a little conservative"
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Margaret Thatcher used to claim 'the facts of life are Tory'.
Both claims are just a bit of rhetoric, aimed at waverers who don't want to think the issues through. Both should be ignored.
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"My wife - who is Dutch - reckons the binge drinking thing is very much an Anglo-Saxon-Celtic thing
Rob - this comment reminds me very much of a youthful visit to Amsterdam, and going out to drink in the city with some Dutch friends, who very much viewed the Amsterdam hash cafe culture as being 'for the anglo tourists'. Not for locals.
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From The Press this morning:
Sila's brother, Ben, spoke last night of how they were involved in a fight at the party.
Police have confirmed they are investigating allegations of racist activity on the night of the party, while also working with Sila's family amid fears of vigilante reprisals. -
Police have confirmed they are investigating allegations of racist activity on the night of the party
Not as an extenuating circumstance I hope.
I wonder if the drive-by gangsters in Wanganui had cellphones? The press should get on that - enquiring minds want to know.
And Tariana Turia shoud be ashamed of herself. "not all cops are rapists & not all gang members are criminals"
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riotous piss-drinking.
it's just what you expect from a society founded by sailors, frontiersmen and miners.
not many women around. what the hell else do you do?
but as far as it being a anglo-saxon exclusive thing, two words. "russian" + "vodka".
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merc,
Michael King (Penguin History of NZ) had interesting things to say about our drinking past (work gangs) and children left unsupervised, so did Bellich I think.
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The brother who was on Campbell Live did no-one any favours. It sounds like the usual ugly drunk scenario.
If there was racism involved it should be publically examined. The driver has no excuse but it would be a good idea to find out how things like this start.It could be that there is something about that text message that points to some racist culture in our youth. -
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re: the harris gang...
I have met the ex-leader of the harris gang on numerous occasions, he was married a lady I used to work with, who ironically was maori.
I went to a wedding that he attended that was also, predominately attended by maori, I sat and watched as the flicker of recognition ‘mexican waved’ around the event.
Word got out quite quickly, as the heads of neighbours etc started popping over fences on all sides. Needless to say, he left shortly after the vows. -
Interesting, Mr Black- I guess that means he's "at large". I think there was never much on the brothers- "associates" seemed to go down for longer.
Just to get it off my chest (and apologies for obsessiveness!); the random violence I witnessed from a Harris "associate" while working for CTV in the early nineties. Driving a camera van north down Manchester street a journo and I were stopped at the lights at Cashel St.
A big-finned American car did a right turn onto Manchester, pushing through pedestrians who were crossing on the cross signal. One smallish chap, irritated, banged on the tail of the car. What I thought was the driver's door (turned out it was an import with the steering wheel on the left side) opened. A big, short-haired guy jumped out. He looked totally wired. He shouted "Don't touch my car" and punched the pedestrian in the face. The pedestrian fell into the gutter, the big guy jumped back into the car, and they drove off. It was over in 10 seconds.
We stopped to check the pedestrian was ok, and offered to be witnesses. There were probably 20 or 30 people who saw it.
A week later I got called into the police station, and failed miserably to distinguish the right photo among a collection of ugly mug-shots. They all looked a bit like the guy. The cops told me they'd nabbed the him in Nelson. He'd only been out of prison for a few hours. He already had a few other charges pending. They were more interested in any info I had about the driver: I couldn't help there either.
I knew by then he was a Harris associate, and it made me think hard about giving evidence. It was a relatively minor offence. I didn't think he should get away with it, but we had a young family and there was a record of Harris gang intimidation of witnesses.
Watching the rest of the saga unfold I kept thinking it was right out of Elmore Leonard. -
the maori party would have a lot more credibility if she left the leadership to pita sharples
You think? :) Tariana certainly is a bigoted nitwit - but you can't fault the silly bovine for a lack of candor. Having said that, I think the Maori Party has got to do some serious thinking about the 'brown-neck' tone it so often takes on any number of issues, no matter who's fronting it.
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On the old chestnut of how to stop binge drinking, an interesting study in todays Guardian linked here, no real surprises, but it seems pretty sensible to me ...
http://society.guardian.co.uk/drugsandalcohol/story/0,,2077135,00.html
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merc,
Hehe, I drank at home with various parents, as a training ground before I turned professional. I'm retired now.
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Has it struck anyone that many of the "we went to random parties and drank far too much and we're OK" comments are very similar to the "I was whacked with [fill in implement of your choice] as a kid and I'm OK" anecdotes?
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From the Guardian article Richard links to ...
Parents who do not want their children drinking behind their backs should limit their pocket money to less than £10 a week, says the study, carried out by academics and trading standards officers.
Good God! That's $30 a week - as pocket money!! I get less than that and I earn half the income. And I have an expensive book habit to support. I must get myself adopted by some Poms.
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Has it struck anyone that many of the "we went to random parties and drank far too much and we're OK" comments are very similar to the "I was whacked with [fill in implement of your choice] as a kid and I'm OK" anecdotes?
Not until you mentioned it - and then perhaps only if someone'd been forced to drink to excess as punishment for beating themselves up.
Am I missing out on some really interesting stuff by not listening to talkback or reading the Listener?
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It's not talkback radio - it's standing around outside a classroom waiting for your child and listening to what the other parents say re: "I was whacked/smacked/thumped".
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Not until you mentioned it - and then perhaps only if someone'd been forced to drink to excess as punishment for beating themselves up.
Strictly speaking you're right but .... most kids who binge drink do so as a result of peer pressure, not out of some well reasoned elective.
Oddly enough there aren't many mothers out there willing to share "I was f#cking like a bunny as a kid and I'm OK" anecdotes with their friends/daughters.
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Has it struck anyone that many of the "we went to random parties and drank far too much and we're OK" comments are very similar to the "I was whacked with [fill in implement of your choice] as a kid and I'm OK" anecdotes?
I had thought that the point of the anecdotes was that
a)binge drinking among teens is not new, and
b)when we were kids the drinking age was twenty, yet I celebrated my 16th birthday in the Old Bank.Oddly enough there aren't many mothers out there willing to share "I was f#cking like a bunny as a kid and I'm OK" anecdotes with their friends/daughters.
I have been asked how I'm going to bring down the moral authoritay on my kids considering my own teenage years. And okay, I don't have a plan, but I'm not going to tell them that having teenage sex is going to ruin their lives forever, because it's demonstrably not true.
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When I was a teen binge drinking was the norm, and so too was driving home afterwards.
However I note most teens these days frown on their peers that drink drive. Now if we can have this sort of attitude change in two decades then maybe there is some hope for instilling a responsible attitude towards drinking.
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I have been asked how I'm going to bring down the moral authoritay on my kids considering my own teenage years. And okay, I don't have a plan, but I'm not going to tell them that having teenage sex is going to ruin their lives forever, because it's demonstrably not true.
R R R R R!
I plan to tell my daughter (many many many many moons from now) that sex is OK as long as she's f#cking the guy -- and not the other way round (ie. she gets f#cked by him).
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