It's like living in Iraq, says resident

It would be sensationalistic and morally bankrupt of the editors to make that claim, but of course a resident said it, so it's okay.?

I don't need to tell you about the statistical folly of trying to declare an average or a trend on the basis of a single cluster.

Do you think there's any chance of passing a law that requires every media outlet to employ at least one person who has passed?

We wouldn't require them to derive the Poisson distribution from first principles

Oh, I know this one: mostly in bodies of water, right?

Across three stations, the same volley of gunfire was described (within 2 minutes) as "5 shots", "7-15 shots" and "20 shots", all by reporters at the scene.

One reporter describing the L.A.Vs: "These are basically REALLY BIG TANKS".?

What the hell: I feel very fortunate to be have been born away down here in the South Pacific but only if I don't move around to much for – when I drive anywhere – it is through a gulag.

A concentration camp for animals,?

They head out to sea armed to the teeth with the best of hi-tech gear and torture and kill the most incredible animals, for what?

I'll give you the recreation part, in part, but you know, meat is what sustained us through the millennia. We can choose to forgo it?

Simplistically put,killing is killing is killing and some are just frankly sick of it.

Yes, and these people could get some fucking perspective, is what I'm saying. They are alive because their ancestors ate meat. Is what's got us here. Argue we can evolve past it, fine, but don't mix?

And yet for all the media coverage, very, very little was made of the sensational use of the light armoured vehicles in this seige. It is without precedent in New Zealand, and yet was barely remarked upon.

The very same ones Wayne Mapp is looking at flogging off.

They are alive because their ancestors ate meat.

I thought the great advance was cultivating crops thus reducing the negative effect of a bad hunt? But the male of the species insisting on how valuable their contribution was re: hunting, set the trend which continues today of keeping redundant behaviours?

They had their reporter inside the cordon reporting on latest developments. So what did getting inside the cordon enable her to tell us?

Well not a lot really. She just read out a whole lot of stuff from the?

Further: we section parts of unfarmed land off, call it reserves and forests and then good keen men and their sons go in their with personal arsenals and dogs and keep up the killing.

Where do you stand on killing possums, goats, deer, rabbits, stoats and feral cats, ConorJoe?

I thought the great advance was cultivating crops thus reducing the negative effect of a bad hunt?

Sure, but ours is really the first or second generation tops that can get away with foregoing meat altogether without being undernourished. For the maternal side of my own family (which lived in?

Just thought it might be a nice place to mention that events like this are why in the first instance I like to treat the police with respect. They do a job that I certainly don't want to have to do myself and most of them do?

And yet for all the media coverage, very, very little was made of the sensational use of the light armoured vehicles in this seige. It is without precedent in New Zealand, and yet was barely remarked upon.

I remember being asked once, rhetorically, just what Auntie Helen wanted to do?

Yes, you're absolutely right of course (unless you're a cow or sheep or baby lamb)

Doing all I can to let this one go.

Oh, I know this one: mostly in bodies of water, right?

Chowder.

Where do you stand on killing possums, goats, deer, rabbits, stoats and feral cats, ConorJoe?

And I also have no problem with hunting when the result is either the culling of noxious species* or some very tasty sausages. And generally it's good when people enjoy their jobs. But people (mostly?

Tom Beard, you're right. We need to deal to these introduced pests unless we want to end up sharing these islands with 500 million possums and not a lot else, but it is scary to take pleasure in the whole deal.?

Ok, keep your hair on. (thought that was Craig for a minute)

Oh, I don't want to disappoint you Sofie. I've just listened to Greg O'Connor's frankly loathsome performance on Nine To Noon, and I (once more) wish the opportunistic fact-free thug would eat shit and die. Apparently, Len Smee?

Eye witness accounts say the LAV may even have returned fire when recovering Len Snee's body. Surely this is possibly the MOST unusual aspect of this seige?

Totally. The sight of those armoured vehicles tooling around suburban streets really should be setting off some alarm bells, but the media seem?

Just thought it might be a nice place to mention that events like this are why in the first instance I like to treat the police with respect.

Bart: Just for the record, I have enormous respect for the Police. I have very little for their union mouthpiece.

Further: we section parts of unfarmed land off, call it reserves and forests and then good keen men and their sons go in their with personal arsenals and dogs and keep up the killing.

ConorJoe, bad timing, my daughter just spent the weekend with her grandfather, learning to shoot. Shall?

In the Disney remake of Peter Pan, when Smee tells Hook that shooting a man in the middle of his cadenza isn't good form,

Here
It was, actually Mr. Snee.

Sorry, thread moving too fast. Giovanni, I don't want to get into a prolonged diuscussion about diet either, but large parts of the world's population are and have been vegetarian for ages – and not just because they can't afford a steak or three.

The historical viability of vegetarianism is?

This was a massive police overreaction sparked by a bungled drugs raid.

No, it was a massive police operation sparked by one man being shot in cold blood and three others critically wounded — and guided by the knowledge that the shooter had a freaking arsenal.

And in what sense?

I thought Andrew Fagan and Karen Hay on Radio Live were very sane about it all. And the callers weren't of the idiot variety, perhaps they were all over at Newstalk ZB.

but ours?

I have very little for their union mouthpiece.

Agree 100% Craig.

The arseholes using the death of a policeman and the death of Molinaar to pursue their own political agenda make me just go arggh!

Had they opened fire with the 50cal or tried to knock the house down with the LAV. That wouldn't have been acceptable.

Tragic?

Apart from?

...what they found was a hothead with an arsenal that begs belief.

1) stop policing class c drugs
2) start policing guns.

This is not?

But whatever there is really no need to hunt for meat anymore in NZ with anything other than a zipzap card.

Yeah, and there's no need to do other outdoor activities such as skiing, tramping, or birdwatching either. People do these things because they are fun, not because they are?

This is not a criticism of the police, it's our poor laws.

Yes. Much as I might disagree with the current legal status of cannabis, these officers were sent out to do a job, and all appearances are that they were doing it in a reasonable fashion when they were?

I tend to conccur with Emma's point that the vast majority of firearms users are very responsible.

Canadians own more guns per capita than people in the US, and yet their crime rate is paltry in comparison. (Yes, I watch films made by Michael Moore. So sue me.)

It was an armoured vehicle that allowed them to retrieve Len Snee's body under fire. I can't see the point of risking anyone else's life on the basis that an armoured vehicle might unnerve some people.

You don't think bringing something armed with a 25 mm. cannon capable of firing?

It was an armoured vehicle that allowed them to retrieve Len Snee's body under fire. I can't see the point of risking anyone else's life on the basis that an armoured vehicle might unnerve some people.

Exactly. The sight of them on the street is pretty disturbing, but the situation?

And all to accomplish the merely symbolic task of retrieving a body?

Go tell his family that it was a symbolic task.

Day one of the Duck Hunting season and it was one man dead, one boy injured and dozens of protected wildlife killed.

Two things need to be done. All weapons and ammunition need to be registard. From here?

Maybe, but guns an affective conservationists tool. Apart from that, I was trying to figure out what I would do if I where to be a farmer, discovering a?

This was a massive police overreaction sparked by a bungled drugs raid. Doesn't anyone else find the trend towards militarized policing in this country just a little scary?

"overreaction"? To a man who demonstrated that he had no qualms about opening fire on unarmed police? Overreaction would've been following through?

Canadians own more guns per capita than people in the US, and yet their crime rate is paltry in comparison. (Yes, I watch films made by Michael Moore. So sue me.)

New Zealand isn't hugely different comparatively, but we might tend to lock out doors more vigilantly than the Canadians.?

The 'trend' I was referring to the aftermath of the Project Lincoln recommendations. The use of LAVs in Napier is one of the consequences of these.

Still not seeing a trend here. The guy was tooled up with guns and explosives. What equipment exactly should the police have used? Horses??

Technicality! My people will still be talking with your people:)

You don't think bringing something armed with a 25 mm. cannon capable of firing at 200 rounds per minute into action in a suburban area might be potentially life-threatening?

Or perhaps you could take the view that the police actually fired only two shots in the course of the whole,?

Craig, I've just deleted your last post. I won't disagree with you about O'Connor, but your way of expressing your point was unacceptable.

Fair enough, Russell. It was also rather inaccurate comparing him to people who are afflicted by a psychological disorder not of their own volition. O'Connor knows exactly?

merely symbolic task

You say this as if it was a bad thing?

Symbols are important. Leaving a dead policeman on the street is a symbol as well.

An LAV on the street in the hands of a trained driver is not a hazard. And even if it was, the?

You don't think bringing something armed with a 25 mm. cannon capable of firing at 200 rounds per minute into action in a suburban area might be potentially life-threatening?

Pah. Call that a gun. Our Anzac frigates carry this freaky radar-targeted machine-gun that fires about 2400 rounds per minute to?

Two things need to be done. All weapons and ammunition need to be registard.

No. Just no! A firearms registry does absolutely nothing to help with gun crime, and ends up costing north of a billion dollars, vastly more than projected, and that's without actually being completed. They're worthless "be?

One thing that was rather comforting in a strange way – when the LAV?

Also, with at-risk civilians in the area, how would you have had the police extract them? In their patrol cars? Trying to protect them with those ballistic shields as they crossed hundreds of metres of firing range? Get real.

It's worth remembering that this guy was shooting at anything that?

I would just like to be reassured all the right legal boxes were ticked before the army were called in.

There are none, for something like the use of the LAVs that was undertaken. The Logistics Manager determines that the available resources are inadequate and advises the Incident Controller. The?

And four of the above five animals taste mighty good (I refuse to eat possum).

Why? It's just as tasty as the other four.

No to mention that it would also provoke justifiable public outrage if they did so.

Also, if the crims knew this was routine police practice, they'd probably trade in their Glocks and Brownings for Mac10's and Uzis.

Overreaction would've been following through on some of the more nutjob-like TBR caller suggestions. My favourite was dropping heavy things on the house from a helicopter, to crush it and the man within.

Ah yes, the Wile E Coyote approach to armed conflict resolution.

As for the LAVs opening fire?

The police had "intelligence" that this guy had a pot plant. Did they not have "intelligence" that he also had Guns, ammunition and explosives? and that he may not be the "full quid"?. I think this is the more important part of the problem and should be addressed by any?

Or perhaps you could take the view that the police actually fired only two shots in the course of the whole, extremely dangerous situation in which a madman was firing dozens of rounds from military rifles.

But surely, a good part of the point here is that he was not?

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1. Chuck Norris likes tropical fish. People say that tropical fish don't have personalities, but Chuck Norris thinks his fish are happy to see him when he comes home.
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My favourite was dropping heavy things on the house from a helicopter, to crush it and the man within.

And if we'd still had an adequate air force we could have carpet-bombed the entire neighbourhood. (I believe the military euphemistically call this a "targeted air strike")

That might have satisfied?

No. Just no! A firearms registry does absolutely nothing to help with gun crime, and ends up costing north of a billion dollars, vastly more than projected, and that's without actually being completed. They're worthless "be seen to be doing something" projects, nothing more.

So how do you stop gun?

The question remains. Why did they not have the intelligence?

Because it sounds like this guy's friends weren't talking to the cops. We don't live in a police state, Steve, much as people like to characterise it otherwise. If nobody informs the police of something, they don't know. They don't?

Weren't the police just using the best tools for the job? So what if it meant some LAVs got to drive down Napier's streets?

I don't know. I just feel like an important line is being crossed here. And while it's being done for all the 'right' reasons — crazed?

We wasted a life, hours of policetime, thousands of dollars on a low level drug bust that even if it did go well wouldn't have made one dent on criminal drug activity.He?

So how do you stop gun hoarding?

You can't, is the short version, unless you give the police the power to conduct random raids on any house to ensure compliance with the law.
If you outlaw owning guns, only outlaws will own guns. The people who will comply with the?

the (potential) use of purely military materiel on local civilians is a serious matter and deserves more scrutiny.

I would agree, but do not think that the LAV was used on civilians.

They knew he had a pot plant, aparently. I wonder how they knew that?

Because people had reported activity that seemed to indicate small-time marijuana dealing. Fairly common. Unfortunately, no one had thought to report the paranoid assembly of a military arsenal. Not at all common.

Why did they not have the intelligence?

A good point.

A lot of people around Napier knew that Molenaar had guns and was borderline mentally ill (clearly no longer borderline, by last week).

I think part of the problem, and it's common to a lot of nations, is that a?

We wasted a life, hours of policetime, thousands of dollars on a low level drug bust

No we didn't. Jan Molenaar wasted a life, hours of policetime, thousands of dollars by unloading on police in his house. The reason for those police being there is almost completely beside the point.?

It's the most lethal vehicle I've ever set foot in – and the most expensive. Smaller than I thought it would be, too.

That was the impression I got too. Also, slipping and falling down a companionway hurts like hell. (Fortunately this was on a less than public tour.)

I would agree, but do not think that the LAV was used on civilians.

To be fair, there was a clip from Friday's Campbell Live that seemed to show firing from the vicinity of the LAV that approached the house, as the vehicle itself came under heavy fire. If so,?

We wasted a life, hours of policetime, thousands of dollars on a low level drug bust that even if it did go well wouldn't have made one dent on criminal drug activity.He was hardly Mr Asia.

I don't think we can blame the resulting mess caused by Molenaar's extreme overreaction?

Because people had reported activity that seemed to indicate small-time marijuana dealing. Fairly common. Unfortunately, no one had thought to report the paranoid assembly of a military arsenal.

Perhaps because paranoid people tend to be... well, somewhat more circumspect than penny ante pot dealers? Just wondering...

To be fair, there was a clip from Friday's Campbell Live that seemed to show firing from the vicinity of the LAV that approached the house, as the vehicle itself came under heavy fire.

As I'm no longer the military hardware nerd I was when I was 11, someone else?

Do the LAVs have launchers for tear gas etc? Could that be what was visible?

Yup:

Multi Barrel Grenade Discharger (MBGD): 8 x 76mm grenade dischargers capable of discharging either smoke or high explosive grenades with an effective range of 60m.

The drug aspect of this seems rather irrelevant. It seems to me that Molenaar was a roided up bomb waiting to go off.?

As I'm no longer the military hardware nerd I was when I was 11, someone else can answer this hopefully. Do the LAVs have launchers for tear gas etc? Could that be what was visible?

Actually, that does make sense — Hoyle told the press that tear gas had been?

carpet bombing an entire neighbourhood could help deal with a big chunk of the wool glut

Heh. And be bloody welcome in the chilly south I'd imagine. Heck feel free to strathe Auckland while they're at it. Brrr.

I can't see the point of risking anyone else's life on the basis that an armoured vehicle might unnerve some people.

I can't see the point in risking anyone's life to retrieve a corpse, when you can just wait and pick it up when the shooting has stopped. But I'm?

We don't live in a police state, Steve, much as people like to characterise it otherwise. If nobody informs the police of something, they don't know.

I think one reason for people not communicating their concerns to police is that the police have created a void between the public and?

Oh, and extra shit points for using Smee's open grave as a bully pulpit to say its time for everyone to have tasers and those who argued differently are stupid cop haters.

Craig, I didn't hear Greg O'Connor on the radio this morning, but I do take the point everyone?

Arguing for cannabis law reform off the back of this incident risks being as distateful as Mr O'Connor using it to argue for "more Tasers, faster".

No, if we do anything with this incident it is at least desirable to understand what happened. O'connor spent the whole day talking
about?

Simply making use of military vehicles to do things for which the police lack the equipment isn't a devolution of powers.

Out of interest, what is considered to be military deployment? I presume we had soliders driving those, so is it the chain of command that triggers the requirement?

Do the LAVs have launchers for tear gas etc? Could that be what was visible?

Yup:

Multi Barrel Grenade Discharger (MBGD): 8 x 76mm grenade dischargers capable of discharging either smoke or high explosive grenades with an effective range of 60m.

Actually, that does make sense — Hoyle told the?

I would just like to be reassured all the right legal boxes were ticked before the army were called in.

There are none, for something like the use of the LAVs that was undertaken.

I draw your attention to http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1990/0028/latest/DLM205887.html s9 (4) of the Defence Act 1990. Any use?

Parliament is sitting, and it's incumbent on the Minister of Police to notify the House immediately if the police will be using military force in resolution of a situation.

The House had risen for the weekend by the time the military were deployed. The next sitting day is tomorrow.

as distateful as Mr O'Connor using it to argue for "more Tasers, faster".

I'm constantly amazed at how out-of-touch union officials can be when it comes to their responses to tragedies. The NZPFU achieved new lows (even by their standards) when, with SSO Lovell dead less than 12 hours, there?

Out of interest, what is considered to be military deployment?

A qustion I'm trying to pin down (for a different purpose) myself ATM.

But in the case of assisting the police, anything at all when there are guns or violence involved. The law is very clear: __No part of the?

But .. what is fundamentally unreasonable about reviewing the event and determining whether the use of tasers could have helped resolve this situation better?

Well, that's a fair question Carol but I'd make these points:
1) I don't think this was the time or the place to start relitigating policy,?

I draw your attention to s9 (4) of the Defence Act 1990

And I draw yours to s9(4)(b)

that the emergency cannot be dealt with by the Police without the assistance of members of the Armed Forces exercising powers that are available to constables

Driving a sodding great armoured beast?

"Making sure nobody else dies" should not extend privileges to the criminal. Police policy in this case will only embolden more criminals to attempt to "out do" the Napier episode.

Grant: This might come as a bit of a shock, but suburban pot dealers generally try to avoid the attention?

what is fundamentally unreasonable about reviewing the event and determining whether the use of tasers could have helped resolve this situation better?

O'Connor knows perfectly well that Tasers will never be deployed in response to a firearm. That was made abundantly clear when they were first being evaluated, and makes?

O'Connor is completely aware of that fact

Which makes his advocacy all the more cynically distasteful.

Well, that's a fair question Carol but I'd make these points

I did wonder if this was a case of shooting the messenger (unfortunate figure of speech, sorry) but I think the points you make are fair enough.

"Making sure nobody else dies" should not extend privileges to the criminal.

Yes it should. As unfair as it might seem and as understandable as the visceral desire for revenge is, it is a mark of our (mostly) civilized society that we accord alleged criminals with the privileges of society.?

I did wonder if this was a case of shooting the messenger (unfortunate figure of speech, sorry) but I think the points you make are fair enough.

And it was a totally fair question to ask. I'm not down on O'Connor for its own sake — after all, he's a?

"Making sure nobody else dies" should not extend privileges to the criminal. Police policy in this case will only embolden more criminals to attempt to "out do" the Napier episode.

Grant, judging by this and your previous posts, you seem to have a lot of rage. Are you armed?

However on the issue of gun registration we'll have to agree to disagree.
I do want to see greater control of firearms and ammunition.

The second point I didn't quite get to was?

Mike McRoberts: "It must be absolutely terrifying."
Local resident: "[pause]... It's a bit of a worry."

Are you armed?

Only with the tiniest water pistol..

I do want to see greater control of firearms and ammunition.

Which is fair enough, but only if it'll actually matter a damn. Wanting something for the sake of wanting it is pure cosmetics. A registry is only useful if it's backed up with random raids of every home, office?

You don't think bringing something armed with a 25 mm. cannon capable of firing at 200 rounds per minute into action in a suburban area might be potentially life-threatening?

I think somewhere you lost track of who was doing all the indiscriminate shooting and killing of people.

Arguing for cannabis?

Almost invariably a person who commits a crime with a firearm has no licence, has never held a licence, and is thus completely under any legal radar. Nothing that can be done will change that, short of becoming a police state.

Who would be a policemen?

I understand your logic?

Which is fair enough, but only if it'll actually matter a damn.

I think you make reasonable points Matthew. I don't think it'll make no difference to register weapons, I think the difference will be limited for the reasons that you point out.

When I was much younger I was?

There is no test, like driving a car. Hence the regular deaths at the start of Duck hunting season.

Actually, there is a test on firearms safety as part of getting a licence. And of course we know that having to sit a driving test means that no-one ever dies?

I understand your logic although it appears that this particular gunman was known as a collector of guns by a few people. I mean the legal radar picks him up as a drug dealer but not an illegal gun holder. Isn't it all about how consistent and reasonable your radar?

You don't think bringing something armed with a 25 mm. cannon capable of firing at 200 rounds per minute into action in a suburban area might be potentially life-threatening?

Perhaps if they had used it in some sort of cunning plan to lure him out of the house:

"Jan?"

"We?

Several cops mentioned to me that they were called to domestics all the time, and would be told by the controller that the resident at the house had a firearms license. They never knew what that meant.

Yes, that is a good point. But it's not escalating domestic incidents that?

I think somewhere you lost track of who was doing all the indiscriminate shooting and killing of people.

LOL. My point, though, was that if it becomes relatively normal for these things to appear in armed offenders' call-outs, it's only a matter of time before some Greg O'Connor-type suggests brightly?

By doing.....what, exactly?

Obviously not by doing something stupid .. which are all the ideas you seem capable of. How about this: Point snipers at the window he's shooting from. Move rescuers into safe position. Shoot on first sight.

Simple. Problem over. Officer rescued.

... and we'd avoid the case?

Shoot on first sight.

Simple. Problem over. Officer rescued.

Grant, did you even follow the news on this? They got a shot at him and took it on day one.

Surely a positive benefit of having sensible recreational substance laws would be that the police could divert their limited resources into investigating people who actually pose a risk of visiting real to others in their community ?

Hard to argue with that. The only trouble I've ever seen stoners cause?

They got a shot at him and took it on day one.

Ah, but Grant wouldn't have missed on that shot, see.

Point snipers at the window he's shooting from. Move rescuers into safe position. Shoot on first sight.
Simple. Problem over. Officer rescued.

Ha, so we've moved on from the Wile E Coyote approach to the "I've seen it HEAPS in Bruce Willis movies" approach I see.

I think Matthews point on the registry system is a good one too but there must be someway to at least revisit gun law, even if it's just education.

I don't want cops facing guns in suburbia (or anywhere) but of course I don't have the immediate?

Community policing may well have been a policy for the last two decades but a major policy it is not.

I can confirm that it is a major policy and has been all along. It's put police officers into schools, it's put police officers working with community groups, it's led?

I feel that most commentators watch Jack Bauer or the latest James Bond flick (Grant, are you there?) and then they?re experts, and the?

Grant, did you even follow the news on this? They got a shot at him and took it on day one.

I read that only two shots were fired by police.

Does this one shot constitute (or two) constitute what you would consider an attempt to get to the fallen?

Surely a positive benefit of having sensible recreational substance laws would be that the police could divert their limited resources into investigating people who actually pose a risk of visiting real to others in their community?

Just curious, what do you think the police could've done to develop intelligence that?

Obviously not by doing something stupid .. which are all the ideas you seem capable of. How about this: Point snipers at the window he's shooting from. Move rescuers into safe position. Shoot on first sight.

Simple. Problem over. Officer rescued.

... and we'd avoid the case that actually happened?

And I say this as someone who spent six years on the frontline. I have read some truly embarrassing writings on this event – mostly on the blogs admittedly and perhaps that?s the problem.

Thanks Nick. I am amazed at the way people become instant experts on policing when something?

perhaps its time to pause and say a wee leavening prayer (or even bake a pavlova) for the poor addled wench taken out by policemen in whangarei, policemen who appeared not to be able to tell the diff 'twixt an airgun and a shotgun?

That was a sad case, but?

perhaps its time to pause and say a wee leavening prayer (or even bake a pavlova) for the poor addled wench taken out by policemen in whangarei, policemen who appeared not to be able to tell the diff 'twixt an airgun and a shotgun?

uh, what are you on about??

If stolen military weapons are used in crime, the answer has to be follow Aussies lead and destroy all military weapons (& pistols too) not used by the NZDF & Police. As happened after Port?

Yeah, and there's no need to do other outdoor activities such as skiing, tramping, or birdwatching either. People do these things because they are fun, not because they are the most efficient way. And people hunt because they enjoy it, and because they enjoy eating the meat.

That is a?

If stolen military weapons are used in crime, the answer has to be follow Aussies lead and destroy all military weapons (& pistols too) not used by the NZDF & Police. As happened after Port Arthur.

Yes, because there's no other source of weapons in this country than the military. That'll fix?

[community policing] is a major policy and has been all along

But who do these 'community police' talk to, apart from school staff and others that they are officially engaged with, or who have reported a crime?

The police tend to self-isolate from communities. How many of you have a?

There is no way to prevent incidents like this, which thankfully are rare. No amount of intelligence or resourcing can produce completely foolproof results, although lack of resource can cause some unattractive?

Just curious, what do you think the police could've done to develop intelligence that Molenaar had firearms?

Firstly, I am not criticising the police for their handling of this situation. Nor am I saying that legalised cannabis would have magicked up some intelligence about Molenaar's weaponry. Of course it wouldn't.?

Therefore it would be better for the police to be paranoid, than assume any raid on a home would be "routine"

As I've observed above, the police simply do not have the resources to treat every warrant execution as high-risk. High-risk means a lot of cops, all with firearms, and?

I have a close friend who was a cop for twenty years, he left the job because of the same reasons I have mentioned above, that the general police attitude to the public left a lot to be desired.

And a family friend of ours, who left after a number?

How many of you have a cop in your circle of friends

Not directly, but I know a couple of women who have dated serving policemen, another friend has an ex-cop as a colleague, my ex-wife's best friend is a (somewhat famous) former policewoman and I have an ex-cop as?

Firstly, I am not criticising the police for their handling of this situation.

I hadn't noticed anyone criticising the police (other than that Dexter) for this situation in particular, which I deduce Nick Kearney has noticed also, but I could be wrong (what the hey).Still the tabloidization of what sounds?

I can think of one thing that could lead to police officers mingling less with "general society", and that is shift work.

Very true. My observation of career fire fighters is that they often don't socialise much with "outsiders". Having a rigid shift schedule ensures that they're surrounded by people?

there's very much a "wow" factor associated with telling people that you're involved in that kind of job, and eventually it gets a bit tired.

That kinda puts a damper on their ad campaign then.
"Better Work Stories" ? "I'm sorry, I'm tired of talking about it"
I have friends?

He presumably got all his nutty toys legally and kept them through a failure to police the changes. So far beyond?

Oh, right. I see where I'm going wrong. Clearly you're right.

But, hold on a minute....

What if Jan (or some other future nutjob) is psychotically insane, but not actually as dumb as a rock?

So, instead of leaning out of the window screaming 'come on coppers!' with a bulls-eye?

He presumably got all his nutty toys legally and kept them through a failure to police the changes. So far beyond intelligence this was a serious error of administration, something that a registar would fix.

No, it wouldn't fix it. It might've fixed it if a register had existed prior?

I hadn't noticed anyone criticising the police (other than that Dexter) for this situation

I assume you'll be able to show where I have criticised any officer of the law or the police in general.

I have not called into question the courage or competence of any group or individual.?