Very true about women's magazines – nothing but pages and pages of ads tied in together with articles designed to set out reasons why you need to buy from said ads. It's?

And why not some who are at the cutting edge now ? like Vicki Buck with her biofuel company. She was recently mentioned in the Guardian?s list of 50 people who could save the planet.

I?d agree with that. Would be nice to see a few more in the arts area too. And what about our female broadcasters? Angela D'Audney, for starters.

As Lilith said, a hundred?

I was assuming it was a long lunch. For no good reason I must admit. ;-)

Angela D'Audney
Judy Bailey
Carol Hirschfeld
Kim Hill
Melanie Reid
Anita McNaught
Karyn Hay
Cathy Campbell

I got to 8. And I haven't even had lunch yet. (timezone trick)

You left out the greatest of them all: the amazing Shirley Maddock, who produced the first NZ TV documentaries --- and made the bloody tea.

Also: she's Jolisa's late mother-in-law. Jolisa will complete Shirley's unfinished memoir one?

I remember Dale Spender saying that it should be, "Girls Have Done Everything!?

This is why I?d rather have a long list: because high achievement isn?t some freakish thing. All kids should be aspiring to it.

The words ?weight loss? are so ingrained in our culture. Every one talks about losing weight,

It's horrifying the way this ideal pervades, I got so self conscious I had to stop reading Graeme Tuckett's reviews:

"flabby-minded thinking of the worst kind".

some flabby direction and uncommitted support work

[[http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/culture/film-reviews/2278628/Duplicity|The?

Yes. They note that in the mag.

The thing is, of course, that most of that happens in the so-called "women's magazines", which are universally edited by women, almost always overseen by women?

I think that there?s something to be said about the kyriarchy (patterns of lordship and dominance that structure our societies i.e. roughly the patriarchy, but using a term that?

I think we also have to mention photo retouching. The beautiful, flawless faces we see in advertising aren't even achievable by the models! Take a look at this (mouseover for original photo).

I'm enjoying the thought process. And I should repeat it with our three daughters. We have a lot to aspire to in this country, if we stop?

Quite ? and I?

here are the NZ women writers I think have to be on the influential list (in no particular order):

Robyn Hyde
Keri Hulme
Janet Frame
Ruth Park
Lynley Dodd
Margaret?

Eileen Mayo
Frances Hodgkins
Rita Angus
Gretchen Albrecht
Ria Bancroft
Robyn Kahukiwa
et al
Robyn White
Olivia Spencer Bower
Louise Henderson
Denise Copland
Joanna Braithwaite
Doris Lusk

*influential is kind of?

Elizabeth Moody
Robyn Malcolm
Jennifer Ward-Lealand
Lucy Lawless
Keisha Castle-Hughes
Anna Paquin
Ilona Rogers
Danielle Cormack
Annie Whittle
Miranda Harcourt
Greer Robson
Kerry Fox
Lisa Chappell
Madeline Sami
Tandi Wright

Influential photographers:

Ans Westra
Marti Friedlander
Gil Hanly
Christine Webster
Margaret Dawson
Fiona Pardington
Megan Jenkinson
Tui de Roy

um?

And she wasn't even allowed to use the term "producer", since in those days, women didn't "produce"! So her earliest programmes were credited along these?

I?m told that women in charge of continuity in movies (now often credited as Script Supervisors) were formerly known as Script Girls .

No, it was utter crud. Created by its star, it seems.

The naturalness of the girls on Girls makes the women of Sex and the City look like drag queens.

Dear Sarah Macdonald: Fuck you very much. Please try being part of the solution instead of perpetuating the problem where women who don?t meet a certain idea of ?appropriate? are kinda,?

I'd add to the artists Seraphine Pick and Alexis Hunter, who should probably be on both the Artist and Photographer lists.

I thought I had regained my composure but then I got to the comments and became utterly helpless with laughter.

ANGELINA: TOO SKINNY TO CONCEIVE?

Indeed. I will try and get this in the show.

Oh yes. But I'd managed to pull myself together by the end of the post itself. And then that first comment ...

I reached that point by "try cooking topless and smear some tomato sauce on your nipples".

OK I fed some of these into the travesty generator and the output was about as intelligible as the input:

"Hold his penis in one hand and honey or whipped cream [in the dark]. Not being too gentle Take his?

To... giving it?

It is so nice, BTW, to walk into a thread and find the tone already lowered.

I ran the generator a few times and the phrase "grasp the tennis ball" appeared frequently. Also the door-knob. Which is good advice if you're one of that percentage of men who?

Which is hilariously awful, but I've got to admit some of them are downright creepy. Perhaps I'm missing something in my gay dudeness, but anyone who's going to manipulate my junk like?

How and why the fuck does Julie Bindel keep getting a soapbox?

I believed then, and I believe now, that if bisexual women had an ounce of sexual politics, they would stop sleeping with men.

So many come-backs. So few suitable for public consumption. (Man. That would have been a really bad time for a typo.)

But yeah, women telling women what men like sexually. The only universal tip I think of right now is "warm your hands up?

What the FUCK?

No, that's all I got. What the fuck?

To which I would have to say "not necessarily" and "depends where you're putting them".

Not necessarily.... depending.

At least check that, yes, they really would prefer your icy cold hands of doom.

Or your ice water. Spritz, spritz!! That?s gotta get you excited. :-)

If someone?s treated your scrotum like a hacky-sack, it?s somewhat beside the point. They really need to stop, then take a vow of celibacy until the Cosmo sub expires. Seriously, that rag seems to be?

Hint for cosmo readers: if he's jumping up and down screaming and holding his genitals he's probably not excited in a good way. And if you get trampled in the rush as he's trying to get away, well,?

Not necessarily.... depending.

That's how you warm them up isn't it? ;-)

If personal grooming, getting dressed, and having sex can be made subject to rules which are complicated, ritualised, and certain to change?then you have a captive market. The more anxious and insecure we are, the more?

Fucking will drive you nuts – not that you're supposed to enjoy it anyway.

Everything else causes cancer.

Hate yourself, because everything you do is wrong.

Buy makeup.

See you next month.

Ahem, in other words, 1?

I'll get me coat....

FM

But why do people buy them? (A genuine question ... I don't, neither does anyone in my immediate family)

EDIT: although given that jezebel post – perhaps they are worth it for the satire...

Sounds like you might enjoy cosmocking.

As for Bindel, I wish the Guardian would?

Ha! Great comments too.

It?s the Vanity Fair Rationalization, which is descended from the ?I buy Playboy for the stories and interviews ? which I never ever whack off over? Plea. :)

But here's a fascinating?

in general

Closer to home, we had this several years back...

And being the house Tory, I have absolutely nothing against selling shit. Anna Wintour doesn't?

William Burroughs would love that on so many levels.

Depending on the level of garbling you dial in, you can get a pretty good Lovecraft pastiche out of it too.

Vogue Italia did a whole issue with only black models back in 2008. As Jezebel notes, that wasn?t including the ads.

Ian: I too remember Burda though I was too flummoxed by the layered outlines to?

Yes, I think there's a fine line between irony and just perpetuating the same old crap. Much better to come up with something new and creative!

Did you see the twins in a box with a bow on top, at the bottom of the page?

I think I may need to revise my Facts of Life...I thought I knew, but now I'm not sure...

Giddy gods! what weird crap is out there on the Tubes! And,?