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Island Life: Good on ya, Paula

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  • Sacha,

    Again, depends on whether you believe that the nation and community are substantially similar in this context. Or at the other extreme you might believe like Thatcher that there is no such thing as society. And many positions between.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16489 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    I guess failure might be either not trying, or doing the same thing again when it didn't work for you the first time.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16489 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    I tried to work out what Sir Michael Fay was knighted for. Wikipedia only mentions that he is one of New Zealand's richest men. So I guess his is achievement.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2587 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Possibly for achieving skillfully audacious theft from public coffers.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16489 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    I guess failure might be either not trying, or doing the same thing again when it didn't work for you the first time.

    Thats one. Another could be losing in a competition, or not cooperating.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2587 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    or doing the same thing again when it didn't work for you the first time

    Mind you when does that count as persistence?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16489 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Cooperating is not always a sign of success.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16489 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Possibly for achieving skillfully audacious theft from public coffers.

    Serving the crown. reminding the peasants about the dirt.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2587 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    or doing the same thing again when it didn't work for you the first time

    Thats an analogy for for the insanity of drug addiction {alcohol is a drug too}

    Since Nov 2006 • 2587 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Cooperating is not always a sign of success.

    No, but functioning within a cooperative is.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2587 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    I tried to work out what Sir Michael Fay was knighted for.

    Wikipedia also had very little to say about what three-term Labour MP Margaret Shields did for her soon-to-be Damehood.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 2996 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Margaret Shields, appears to have been a failure, there. Yet some would say she preformed a service to the state.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2587 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    And Jonathan Hunt tops the lot of them.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16489 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    It's very odd how these distinguished people don't have there exceptional deeds published on whikipedia. The royal palace seems to been goofing off.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2587 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Williams,

    Isn't the line supposed to be that they recognise service to the community?

    Indeed and thanks David. I've supported two honours. Both individuals are remarkable for their commitment to community development. One, a 68 year old man remains one of the most inspring individuals I know.

    Sacha, I'm not sure what you're question about Jonathan is, long standing MPs are routinely honoured. I don't think it unfair or unwise. The life of an MP is entirely devoted to civic service (or should be)...

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2209 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Williams,

    Oh bugger, now I've read the context for some of the discussion... nevermind. Sir/Dame, don't mean nothing to me that you declare your spot on the Queen's dance card... paid up member of the republicans... as you were.

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2209 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Paul, while I have no problem with recognising the service of MPs, making such an undistinguished one a member of an extremely select order seems farcical to me.

    I understand there are all sorts of reasons why people might choose to accept or reject a title. Sadly I'm confident that Mr Hunt's conscience was untroubled.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16489 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie,

    Er, Hunt was Speaker of the House; in the UK, that's pretty much an automatic peerage, even if you're the worst Speaker in hundreds of years. Speaker's an extremely distinguished position, and maybe ONZ was a bit over the top, but it wasn't hugely out of line.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1321 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Make him a Sir, but one of a group of only twenty living New Zealanders? Please.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16489 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Or are we saying Lockwood should be in with a grin the next time one of the existing Order members falls off the perch?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16489 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie,

    Make him a Sir, but one of a group of only twenty living New Zealanders? Please.

    Well, it isn't that daft. Speaker is up with G-G, PM, Chief Justice. It's not undistinguished, which was your assertion. I do think it was a bit over the top, but it isn't much.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1321 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Sacha - for once I am going to disagree with you. Jonathan Hunt was one of those people who did an incredible lot of helping people behind the scenes, over many decades. He was also a very good lobbyist and networker for NZ internationally, particularly when HC in London. Just because the media have always targetted him, doesn't mean we should. Those large taxi bills were because he didn't drive and so saved the taxpayer the cost of personal vehicles.

    Unless of course you have personal experience of some less than effectiveness from him.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 2030 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Williams,

    Sacha, I see where you're coming from. I had a little to do with Jonathan so am perhaps more disposed to recognising his service than that of others. Jonathan's proudest achievement, I believe, was his involvement in amending adoption laws and, possibly not, being Speaker.

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2209 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    I should clarify that I meant Hunt's performance as Speaker seemed unworthy of that degree of recognition. Sure he gave long service as a local MP and Minister and as you say his involvement in adoption reform was notable.

    Knight him by all means. Just don't give him an honour reserved for only twenty living New Zealanders at any time unless you can explain why he deserved that more than the other 4 million of us.

    Be interesting to see who the public would have suggested - though possibly stacked with telly presenters and sports people. If asked today, possibly not so many All Blacks..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16489 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    PM announces House of Lords. Comments worth a look too.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 2030 posts Report Reply

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