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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>So this what the rather manufactured scandal coming out from the left wing blogs is based on</p><p>A quiet ?on the record? talk in a café<br />That, as transcribed ,is not very clear but seems to point that the leader of the opposition would like wage rises to be based?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:33:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						Raymond, the point being made is that even if Key's been misunderstood, firstly he's not often clear about what he does think and secondly he often makes a mess of correcting the record. It's not as if this is the first time he's mis-spoken either; the famous slip-of-the-lip at the?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:47:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						One thing seemed odd to me in all this: I seems to recall that in the absence of any other measure, don't we <em>use</em> wages as a measure of productivity.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:01:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						Wages only tells you the labour share of productivity &ndash; GDP per person in real dollars is often the measure Treasuries use.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:25:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mark Graham</title>
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						<p>Holy cow, Robman! It's not Key, it's the rest of them. </p><p>Honestly, Labour has mishandled a number of items &ndash; being blamed for the Anti-smacking bill for one, when it wasn't even a Labour bill &ndash; and therein lies Labour's problem &ndash; that and the fact that Helen is so?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:26:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						I think it was a lot easier in 1990 to put your finger on what was wrong at the time, though that might be an effect of retrospection. Things were improving but not fast enough. We'd been promised there'd be a rocky patch, and then things would improve. We got?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:45:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						Emma, that's certainly my recollection of the 1990s situation though I fear your analysis of the current situation may also be right.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:11:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Slack</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think Labour's greatest enemy is our sense of fair play. They've been on the swing for too long and it's time to give someone else a turn.</p></blockquote><p>They may also be victim to our insatiable appetite for all things new. Could voters be so conditioned by the marketing machine?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:35:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						If the new model really is only differentiated by trim and a handful of extras but is otherwise essentially the same model... that certainly appears to be National's campaign strategy which is why I think the two situations are in fact not so comparable.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:40:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Snowy</title>
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						Why is it that on an issue so significant to so many voters, one that would lose Key a LOT of votes if he meant what he said, that Key can't emphatically deny what he said? Instead we've had every mangled attempt at obfuscation possible but he's never denied it.?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:46:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>They may also be victim to our insatiable appetite for all things new. Could voters be so conditioned by the marketing machine to want the new model that they apply it to politics as well?</p></blockquote><p>Well, being a little less condescending to the great unwashed, could it be within the?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:12:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Snowy</title>
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						how much would you like your wages cut by Craig?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:25:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>The leavers   of government is not won by a party (never,never,never) <br />it is lost<br />Well that is my view of the last 38 years <br />So a clever oppostion just has to wait and not rock the boat<br />Which is exactly what Labour did when in that position<br />No policies and?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:06:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Which is exactly what Labour did when in that position<br />No policies and just niggle ,niggle and it worked</p></blockquote><p>I fear your memory is faulty. Labour in the late 90s was bursting with policy ideas. Not all of it actually turned up as government policy, but there was a lot?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:16:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Zippy Gonzales</title>
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						<p>No policies in 1990?? Bill of Rights, anybody?</p><p>1990 saw the blue-rinsers that swung over to Rogernomics in the 87 election swing back to the Nats in his absence. And the Labour vote was crucified by the Enrolled Non-Vote. Same as 2008. Y'see, people who vote Nat always vote. People?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:59:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>how much would you like your wages cut by Craig?</p></blockquote><p>Wrong question, Snowy.  Remember you're talking to a freelance writer who fills the gap by temping.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:02:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>One thing I find strange is that when economists talk about productivity, they are stuck in this early-20th century model where productivity improvement is all about buying a bigger clump press that can churn out more widgets per man-hour.</p><p>I think a lot of productivity increase is through the nature?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:24:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote>So if Factory X, which makes clothes at a labour cost of $12 an hour closes due to foreign competition, but in the same week Atelier Y opens up *designing* clothes at a labour cost of $25 an hour, then productivity per worker just doubled.</blockquote>But if Factory X employs 100?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:29:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Slack</title>
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						<p>Here are a couple of interesting grabs from <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0606/S00216.htm" target="_blank">an old Kevin List interview with John Key</a>. The first makes his position on productivity a good deal more clear:</p><blockquote><p>There are two fundamental issues around New Zealand. One is around productivity, and we have an economy that's not productive in the?</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:00:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Rowe</title>
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						<blockquote>There are two fundamental issues around New Zealand. One is around productivity, and we have an economy that's not productive in the way that it could be. Certainly there's a lot more to eke out. If you can develop productivity, then wage rates actually grow. That's the really driving issue?</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:09:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Well, Paul, sometimes the bleeding obvious needs to be repeated frequently and at the top of your voice.  You know, like the frequent occasions when 'common sense' appears to be as rare as a kosher ham and cheese sandwich.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:55:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Hosking</title>
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						<p>Is it as bleedin' obvious [and Key makes an unlikely Sybil Fawlty, btw] when Clark, Cullen or Mallard say much the same thing?</p><p>Because they do, often. </p><p>And its a long running issue for NZ. Couple of weeks ago I was looking at a Treasury paper from 1957 which lamented?</p>
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				<title>Snowy</title>
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						Let me guess, Singapore has much higher productivity?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:18:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p>To give your mate a little insight, the "Don't drink and fry" ads are nothing to do with Labour's rumoured social engineering.</p><p>The Fire Service Commission has a contracted obligation to reduce avoidable fire deaths in this country. We already have an extremely low rate of avoidable fire death (as?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:24:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Zippy Gonzales</title>
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						At least Singapore doesn't make it compulsary to wear bike helmets.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:56:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Shep  Cheyenne</title>
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						<p>With you on that Zippy.<br />Fingers Fahey Deputy Mayor of ChCh and disgraced Dr brought that mad idea to NZ.<br />The logical extent of which is body armour &ndash; just give me a gun to shoot up SUVs. </p><p>His failure (amoung others) was to put the cost of safety onto?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:07:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						You're no doubt also opposed to wearing seat belts on the basis that we should just make roads safer places for cars.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:13:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Shep  Cheyenne</title>
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						<p>So less people are driving now seat belts are compulsory?</p><p>This was the direct effect of cycle helmet laws.</p><p>I'm limiting myself to cycles as transport not racing. As with walking or running, if cycling at a casual speed a helmet is not required for safety.</p><p>Seat belts on the?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:23:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>Bicycles move pretty fast too, and give you all the protection your own skin can provide.</p><p>But I personally don't like helmets. I can see the argument for children, and unfortunately modeling is a powerful force so adults really have to wear them as an example. But I don't like?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:34:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						What's with all the bitching about bike helmets? Seriously, do you people actually not understand how vulnerable your heads are? You can be as careful as you like, but unless you don't go more than about 10 km/h you're at risk. Shit happens. I had my bike slide out from?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:17:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So less people are driving now seat belts are compulsory?</p><p>This was the direct effect of cycle helmet laws.</p></blockquote><p>Which is kinda silly. If people choose to stop doing something, because you have to wear the safety equipment &ndash; tough for them. I don't let my son onto his grandfather's?</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>Did you know that the minimum height for a human skull to crack when dropped on a hard surface is about 7 feet?</p><p>That's why I believe professional basketballers should wear helmets in the bathroom.</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What's with all the bitching about bike helmets?</p></blockquote><p>Kind of obvious really. They're hot, uncomfortable, and they mess your hair up. They make your head stink, and generate sweat which runs into your eyes. They're another thing you have to carry around. They take away the nice feeling of the?</p>
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				<title>Rob Hosking</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So less people are driving now seat belts are compulsory?</p></blockquote><p><pedant> If they were, it would be <em>fewer</em> people. </pedant></p><p>Yeah, I like feeling the wind in my, um, scalp, when I cycle too. And I sweat like a horse.</p><p>But I'll take the helmet, every time. When I was 10 I?</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>I saw a car collide with another and burst into flames, and the occupant burned to death. But I don't wear a fireproof suit when I drive.</p><p>I think children should wear helmets (also seen a kid almost killed too), and for that reason, I'll be wearing one when my?</p>
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				<title>Mike Graham</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You're also at risk not wearing a helmet in a car, and a lot more people die from head injuries in cars than on pushbikes. Do you wear a helmet in your car?</p></blockquote><p>Hang on Ben, a lot more people use cars everyday. What are the relative injury <em>rates</em>  ??</p>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You're also at risk not wearing a helmet in a car, and a lot more people die from head injuries in cars than on pushbikes. Do you wear a helmet in your car?</p></blockquote><p>I once met an A&amp;E surgeon who wore a helmet in his car and refused to travel by?</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hang on Ben, a lot more people use cars everyday. What are the relative injury rates ?</p></blockquote><p>Dunno. Do you? But what difference does it make? If you spend more time in the car then that just means you're more likely to smash your head one day doing that, than?</p>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						I guess it was just a reaction to dealing with the injuries and their consequences that led him to it. I seem to remember he recognised it as pretty eccentric himself but I guess you can see only a finite number of people incapacitated by brain injury before you start?
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Yup, as far as eccentricities go, that's one of the good ones. Personally I just drive slowly. Except when the coast is clear.
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