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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<title>Nat Torkington</title>
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						<a href="http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/6425/survival.html" target="_blank">This prison survival guide</a> is bloody scary stuff.  I wouldn't wish it on my enemies.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 11:38:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						<p>At high school one of my English teachers gave me the Big Huey to read, which was Greg Newbold's account of his time in NZ prisons (if i remember correctly).</p><p>I was never really sure if he gave it to me because he knew I enjoyed reading, or if he?</p>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						Oh, and it sort of worked, still out of prison!
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						23 days of solitude? Man I dream about that sort of thing.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 13:08:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>hamishm</title>
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						<p>I wonder if it is the newest celebrity accessory, a bit of porridge?</p><p>The extract from Salon reminded me that people seem to accept some level of punishment meted out by prisoners onto other prisoners, as though it is somehow a good thing. I can't recall how many times I've?</p>
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				<title>Josh Addison</title>
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						And as a friend of mine once pointed out, these prisoners aren't being abused by a state-approved Convict Rapist &mdash; for every prisoner receiving their "just desserts" in prison, there's another (or possibly more than one) who's getting away with the sort of crimes that prison is supposed to be?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 14:36:13 +1200</pubDate>
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						<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/sundaystartimes/292334a21317.html" target="_blank">ahem</a>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 15:02:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>ahem</p></blockquote><p>Frickin' bizarre.</p>
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				<title>Doddery Oldfart</title>
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						<p>What about the other prisoners ?</p><p>Surely it is a gross abuse of human rights to be locked up with Paris Hilton...</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 17:02:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael  Fitzgerald</title>
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						<p>Where's Dad 4 Justice when you need him?</p><p>Prison surely is a waste of time. <br />Unless someone is an actual danger to society why use it?<br />There are far more effective measures out there &ndash; like serious fines and excessive lengths of PD. These both occupy time and repay debt?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 23:40:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>DeepRed</title>
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						<p>Michael: these are good points. Unfortunately, Marxian rural idiocy will go out of its way to skewer them with pitchforks.</p><p>It also brings to mind the Prohibition Era, when the well-minded temperance movement ended up driving an entire industry into the arms of the blackmarket.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 00:23:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Marcus Neiman</title>
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						It was kind of interesting to read this post in next to Hannah Ho's piece on white privilege, and brings up the thought that kept going through my mind in reading her piece &ndash; yes, White privilege may exist in some circumstances, but it is not quite as uniform and?
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				<title>Marcus Neiman</title>
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						<p>Just to clarify about the second part of the above comment: it should read &ndash; </p><p>I think that it is unclear that there is a uniform phenomenon of "Brown disadvantage" covering Asian, Maori, Pacific peoples, Africans, and so on, that was seeming suggested.</p>
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				<title>Michael  Fitzgerald</title>
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						<p>Deep Red <br />I've got a handle on Marx but by Marxian Rural idiocy = Blind obedience where all desenters must be permanently silenced?<br />Thus presenting a united and terrifiying voice.</p><p>In it's time prison was kinder than death. The prison pop growth was ugly and so sent to America and?</p>
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				<title>Marcus Neiman</title>
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						<p>Michael: Obviously, yes, but...</p><p>In the terms of Hannah Ho's essay this sort of particular disadvantage is not disaggregated either in terms of effects, nor across " Brown" ethnic groups. Nor is the intervening factor of class taken seriously....</p><p>The thing that annoyed me the most with her piece  was?</p>
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						On a related matter, Imogen Neale <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=10395235" target="_blank">supposedly pointed the finger at bi-culturalism</a>. I wager what she advocates is a Canadian/Australian multicultural system, and if it's indeed the case, who could blame her?
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>In the terms of Hannah Ho's essay this sort of particular disadvantage is not disaggregated either in terms of effects, nor across " Brown" ethnic groups. Nor is the intervening factor of class taken seriously....</p><p>The thing that annoyed me the most with her piece was her attempt to join-up?</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The thing that annoyed me the most with her piece was her attempt to join-up Asian disadvantage (eg. petty racism on the street) with that of Maori disadvantage (e.g. employment, health care discrimination issues) as some sort of meta-phenomenon.</p></blockquote><p>It's a little reminiscent of early feminist attempts to link  educated?</p>
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						<p>this from the neale article.</p><blockquote><p>Isn't one of the most common questions asked by and about New Zealanders still: "What is New Zealand culture exactly?"</p><p>Biculturalism was supposed to provide a neat answer to that. It hasn't.</p></blockquote><p>ummm... sorry imogen. biculturalism was never meant to provide a context for new?</p>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						Joe, I suspect a lot of the Asians you see in advertising for high value items is because NZ is deemed to be in the Asian zone for many multinationals. It isn't worth their while to change advertising for a marginal market like NZ.  I suspect, but cannot be certain,?
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						<blockquote><p>I suspect, but cannot be certain, that if you were living in Europe or North America you'd see a lot of Europeans.</p></blockquote><p>well, yeah, but in my experience the persons depicted in australian and nzl ads are very difference. </p><p>in oz they're mainly blondes and "southern european' types (dark hair?</p>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						I'm thinking of multinationals here, like say Epson, HP, etc, that kind of thing. Really any company that uses glossy advertising/packaging.
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						I don't agree, Ben &ndash; I believe that Asians are deliberately targeted as a high-income group. Polynesians aren't. And I'm referring to ads that are specifically created for local markets.
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						<p>here's an example. try saying to someone, with a straight face, "all asians are dole bludgers"</p><p>it just "doesn't work", if you'll excuse the pun.</p><p>someone also pointed out to me that a better stereotype is "all the poor asians are in asia". that one really works.</p><p>but all this?</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						Funny that Ben should mention Epson, HP, etc. &ndash; it was an Australian magazine ad for a high-tech copier back in the 90s that focused my attention on this issue. The gadget was shown descending in a beam of light into the centre of a group of nine or so?
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				<title>steven crawford</title>
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						<blockquote><p>"Did you show that white boy a good time?"</p></blockquote><p>The story of jail violence really gets to the bottom of the problem I have with categorizing culture as simply race based. Hannah Ho's  ideas about genealogy; white people are the dominant culture, are annoyingly simplistic. </p><p>It's a bit like saying:?</p>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						<p>Chi is a compromise facilitator, and the world needs more of them.</p><p>So far as the advertising goes I think it time to do some reaserch. I think we need a professional acting extra, someone who has spent a lot of time being in the background at advertising shoots. Tell?</p>
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				<title>steven crawford</title>
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						Asians, Polynesians and Australian aboriginal people are all depicted as friendly hosts in tourism advertising.
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				<title>Michael  Fitzgerald</title>
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						<p>Steven with regard to McDonalds and a prison population of 2 Million.<br />Both are disposable and a waste of resources.</p><p>The friendly hosts will all be kiddies (non threatening) or women (available). </p><p>There won't be any real men in them.</p>
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				<title>Michael  Fitzgerald</title>
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						<p>Whoops <br />The third line was in response to Stevens last</p>
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