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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<p>I think educations systems, between the teachers and the children, more or universally teach you to <br />* do what you're told and<br />* avoid failure rather than risk doing something different. </p><p>I don't know if that stereotype about the highly-educated being employees rather than entrepeneurs holds true, but if it?</p>
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				<title>Shaz</title>
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						Thanks David... The relative emphasis on economy/economics/business/employer etc etc is interesting
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Thanks to this month's statistical aberration in the murder rate ...</p></blockquote><p>As I pointed out in my post, it's not even that. Just business as usual for January, unfortunately.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:57:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>something that suggests there is a way to make money other than buying and selling houses</p></blockquote><p>Mate, have you seen the state of the stock market recently? (says one who finally, finally offloaded his surplus houses &amp; has entreated his spouse to please stop attending open homes.)</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:00:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						How about we start exporting children? There's a burgeoning market among US celebrities.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:01:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Finn Higgins</title>
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						On the tag-clouding and speech-filtering business, might there not be some fun in training up some kind of Bayesian classifier using past statements from politicians and their subsequent factual veracity?  Maybe hooked up to some kind of portable bullshit buzzer? ;)
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				<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:05:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>Maybe David and I should get together. I am hard at work on <a href="http://bazombo.com/ruminator.html" target="_blank">The Ruminator</a> in my spare time, juicing it up to recognise phrases rather than just words (what computer scientists and linguists call "collocations"), and some naive Bayesian voodoo to infer categories or topics.</p><p>I'm using a bunch?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:12:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Slack</title>
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						<p>Finn, I love it. Stephen and Lyndon, we should most certainly talk.</p><p>Llew, stocks are not the only other fruit. And yes, let's work up that export niche. I'm thinking Michael Bulgaris to do the brokerage?</p><p>Russell, would you accept "customary annual aberraton"?</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm thinking Michael Bulgaris to do the brokerage?</p></blockquote><p>Trademe might be more efficient!</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:25:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>rodgerd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>How about we start exporting children? There's a burgeoning market among US celebrities.</p></blockquote><p>I'd rather export boomers and wrinklies, myself.  They voted the country into generations of debt already, and my kids and grandchildren-yet-to-be could do without them stuffing it up any further.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:14:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'd rather export boomers and wrinklies, myself.</p></blockquote><p>I'd volunteer if I thought Angelina Jolie might adopt me.</p>
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				<title>Benjamin Franzmayr</title>
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						<p>Hi David</p><p>I agree with your thoughts on being inventive and entrepreneurial. I have an overactive mind and am constantly coming up with ideas or inventions but I don't have that entrepreneurial skill/experience to turn those ideas into reality and have yet to find anyone who is supportive enough here?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:27:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tim Michie</title>
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						Duller than dishwater tho' it be, here's the <a href="http://www.jasongriffey.net/wp/2008/01/29/2008-state-of-the-union-as-tag-cloud/" target="_blank">US SOTU tag cloud</a>.
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				<title>Marcus Turner</title>
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						I don't understand this part about "climbing back from 22". Is there some sort of competition going on?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:09:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Wouldn't some Bayesian voodoo using newsfeeds and stock prices be more profitable? I think you might have a hard time finding statements from politicians that have factual veracity to train off.
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						Marcus, NZ was purportedly the 5th wealthiest country shortly after WW2 (I can only assume per capita). Unfortunately there has not been another world war so it's been hard to hold on to this position ahead of more industrially advanced and populous nations.
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				<title>Finn Higgins</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think you might have a hard time finding statements from politicians that have factual veracity to train off.</p></blockquote><p>Touche.  I was actually thinking that yesterday, I think much of the disillusionment with politics is a side-effect of the fact that most politicians set off everybody's bullshit detectors every time?</p>
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						<p>Or they say nothing, using a lot of words to do it.</p><p>Probably it would be better to train a classifier to work directly on statements of fact. "Taxes will be lowered within 1 year", and then link those to political utterances.</p><p>My guess is that there will almost no?</p>
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				<title>Finn Higgins</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Or they say nothing, using a lot of words to do it.</p></blockquote><p>Well, yes, that's usually a good way to set off somebody's bullshit alarms :)</p><p>I don't doubt you're right about the latter point though &ndash; in all honesty, I'd never anticipated the idea I punted earlier to actually?</p>
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				<title>David Slack</title>
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						The starting point for the Duckspeak engine was the notion that is might be instructive to sift out all the flannel and see what substance might remain. (What does this substance suggest about the speaker? How much do they have compared to others? Bias and agenda that might be revealed?
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				<title>Marcus Turner</title>
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						<p>OK. So NZ doesn't rate as highly in terms of wealth (not clear how it's measured) as once it did, in relation to certain other countries (economies?).</p><p>I'm not convinced that the measure of a good life is how much wealth this country has in relation to other countries; rather,?</p>
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				<title>David Slack</title>
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						<p>Tim Hazeldine speaks quite persuasively on this subject. He asks what use these league tables serve. </p><p>Certainly the notion of all boats rising, which you might use in its place,  is one the free market advocates embraced enthusiastically although the cost on the planet's consumption somewhat taxes that  proposition. </p><p>And?</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>My plans for the Ruminator are outlined [[http://bazombo.com/burble/entry/title/next_on_the_menu|here].</p><p>Lots of code kicking around for the taking if you want to do naive Bayesian stuff. All the hard work is in a) assembling suitable collections of stuff to train your program with and b) taking the time to do the training,?</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>I mean <a href="http://bazombo.com/burble/entry/title/next_on_the_menu" target="_blank">here</a>.</p><p>Damnit.</p>
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						btw, I wrote and support a naive Bayesian spam filter. The 'naive' part pissed me off a bit so I looked into some far more complex methods. My conclusion was that naive was just as good on large data samples. And it's really a lot simpler. It's not always a?
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						I didn't mean "naive" pejoratively. I thought it was just a descriptive term for the rough-and-ready Paul Graham approach.  I agree, there doesn't seem to be much benefit in more sophisticated (and statistically correct) approaches.
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						I'm sure you didn't, Stephen. Just putting in my 2c for the edumication of the interwebz.
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						Oh, and God bless Paul Graham. I'm impressed that using his ideas my system had no problems at all with image spam. I still have no idea why, can only conclude that it picked up on textual tags that were statistically linked to those spams. And like him, I don't?
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