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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 06:58:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 06:58:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bryce Edwards</title>
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						<p>Turnout was about 68.8% &ndash; based on the estimated total number of votes cast (2,254,581) as a proportion of those eligible to vote (3,276,000). </p><p>This formula is the more commonly/modern/comparative used way of measuring voter turnout (as opposed to just votes as a proportion of those *enrolled*).</p><p>Bryce</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 08:02:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>I think it is worth remembering that the MMP vote is only the Advance votes as the Referendum votes were not counted on the night</p><p>Advance votes, specials votes done before election day?</p><p>Could be interesting yet although I see my voting pattern was the majority one</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:14:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p>From a quick and partial look, there's no specials in the Maori seats, that seems odd to me. Perhaps they're just not counted?</p><p>I understand your formula, however two or three Auckland seats must surely be too close to call.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:43:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hebe</title>
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						Waimakariri could be another change. Cosgrove is 400 behind Wilkinson which sounds an  unlikely change but the Greens candidate was telling voters to electorate vote Labour and party vote Green as a strategic measure.  Many of the earthquake incomers from outside Waimak are expected to have cast special votes; the?
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:49:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rachel Prosser</title>
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						<p><q>Advance votes, specials votes done before election day?</q></p><p>Advance votes were a mix of advance Ordinary Votes, and advance Special Votes.</p><p>E.g. for polling places in downtown Wellington you could cast an ordinary vote for Wellington Central, Hutt South, Rimutaka, Ohariu, Mana, Rongotai or Te Tai Tonga (catering for all?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:04:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rachel Prosser</title>
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						<p><q>From a quick and partial look, there?s no specials in the Maori seats, that seems odd to me. Perhaps they?re just not counted?<br /></q></p><p>It?s a function of how the special votes are recorded.  There aren?t any wholly Maori Polling Places.  Each Polling Place will also have at least one General?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:09:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rachel Prosser</title>
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						<p>Further to Paul's question again:</p><p>Have just realised, the fact that there were  3,717 special votes received at polling places within Christchurch Central doesn't mean that there are 3717 votes to be split between candidates in that electorate. </p><p>Some of them will be &ndash; they'll be Special Votes issued to?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:18:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						Ah, this will also be highly relevant for Chch Central, Waimakariri and Waitakere
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:20:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>If the projection holds, it would be Mojo Mathers in as the 14th Green MP, and National?s 60th MP, Aaron Gilmore, out of Parliament after one term</q></p><p>I don't think you have to be either from Christchurch or connected to the Deaf community to really hope this happens. Couldn't be?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:32:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>Thank-you for clearing that up<br />Makes the specials a real lottery for those on close margins</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:53:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<p>Always has been. I am disappointed that we still have to wait at least 10 days for a result. In 2011, you'd think that specials could be got to returning officers a lot faster.</p><p>I put that to Simon Power recently but sadly he didn't share my view.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:12:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mandy S</title>
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						It is a bit annoying, I enrolled a month ago and still had to cast a special vote on the day......at the polling booth in the electorate I am enrolled in...it is a very fiddly process with a complicated 2 part envelope with codes that are covered up by tape...so?
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:49:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Always has been. I am disappointed that we still have to wait at least 10 days for a result. In 2011, you?d think that specials could be got to returning officers a lot faster.</q></p><p>Are we really such an ADHD culture that we can't wait?  Yeah, I'm sure there a?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:55:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>I've been thinking about this and I reckon we could have a system where traditional enrolling to vote is optional.</p><p>If you enrol to vote in advance, you get sent a voting card and can go along, show it at any polling station in NZ and vote. If you don't?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:24:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>from Christchurch or connected to the Deaf community</q></p><p>does seem like a win-win prospect :)</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:26:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JLM</title>
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						<p><q>I don't think you have to be either from Christchurch or connected to the Deaf community to really hope this happens. Couldn't be better, really.</q></p><p>If you know Mojo, you want it even more, whatever community (I'm neither of the above)</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:29:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Austin</title>
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						The other thing to note of course in the above scenario is Nats + ACT + UF = 61 seats from 122, so they then need the Maori Party. If I were Tariana and Pita I'd be thinking hard about what I want from my coalition agreement...
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:55:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						Alas, isn't it 61 from 121? Almost makes me wish the MP had taken another seat!
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:09:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>The other thing to note of course in the above scenario is Nats + ACT + UF = 61 seats from 122</q></p><p>I'm not sure what scenario you're talking about, but unless it is Katene winning Te Tai Tonga, then the number of seats is 121.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:11:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andrew Geddis</title>
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						<p>"Always has been. I am disappointed that we still have to wait at least 10 days for a result. In 2011, you?d think that specials could be got to returning officers a lot faster."</p><p>It's also to allow time for overseas votes to be returned ... Kiwis voting in London,?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:13:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q> it does take some time to get this absolutely right.</q></p><p>I think it's great that all our votes get physically counted, under scrutiny, <em>twice</em>!  And can be counted again if there's any doubt.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:33:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Cushla McKinney</title>
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						Don't the Nats lose a vote if they make Lockwood the speaker again?
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:38:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:46:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q> So it does take some time to get this absolutely right.</q></p><p>Yup &ndash; and it's also worth remembering that New Zealand does <a href="http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/nz-election-observers-head-solomon-islands" target="_blank">things like this</a> because our electoral system is internationally respected and the results taken seriously.  Getting the basics of a credible election result done right rather than done?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:46:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						As a geek, I just revised and improved my Saint Lague calculator, and note that national have seat 121 at the moment, and that NZ First are closest to pinching this. It would take a modest swing in the specials of half a percent from National for this to occur.?
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:21:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						so in effect you are saying that the Greens need about 14% of the Special votes to get their 14th MP? how does that compare with their Special vote performance in 2008?
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:45:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Posts about specials and Sainte-Lague rankings at <a href="http://thestandard.org.nz/watching-the-specials/" target="_blank">Te Standard</a>  &ndash; with detailed numbers &ndash; and <a href="http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2011/11/115-125-whos-at-risk/" target="_blank">Kiwipolitico</a>.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:13:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rachel Prosser</title>
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						<p><q>I think the bulk of the special votes may be people in my position rather than advance and out of electorate votes.</q></p><p>Yes you're correct &ndash; the highest number of special votes within any electorate are likely to be for that electorate &ndash; for the unpublished roll, and late enrolments,?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:04:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						thanks.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:10:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>tussock</title>
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						<p>Most fun with Sainte-Laguë is the odd rounding when you shift the total.</p><p>124 MPs = 62 v 62.<br />120 MPs = 61 v 59.<br />116 MPs = 58 v 58.</p><p>Bullshit, eh. That's why we need preferences on the party vote, stop the left-right rounding errors on these close?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:12:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						It depends on how many special votes are valid, and how other things change relatively speaking. Maybe more useful to think that of the 220000 special votes, the Greens would expect to get a bit over 20000 of those, buy somewhere like 25000 might get them an MP. Not currently?
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:55:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						thanks.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:59:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>of the 220000 special votes, the Greens would expect to get a bit over 20000 of those</q></p><p>They have tended to get more than their overall general vote share, haven't they? Especially from overseas voters.</p>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						I think the Greens may have done amazingly in the post but it was more muted in 2008. They got 8.5% in specials (I think) versus 6.6% on election night. It's a bit hard to find provisional counts for old elections. That was enough to get Kennedy Graham as an?
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:31:55 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Yup &ndash; and it's also worth remembering that New Zealand does things like this because our electoral system is internationally respected and the results taken seriously. Getting the basics of a credible election result done right rather than done right now is important in ways far beyond the obvious.</q></p><p>Too?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:51:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>As I just said on Dim Post &ndash; if it all breaks as expected in your forecast, National add ONE seat and their current loose coalition pals loses 5 between them. Where they could govern just with ACT last time, that now leaves them short. </p><p>It just doesn't feel like?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:54:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>It just doesn't feel like the huge victory it seems to be getting painted as</q></p><p>it's not. many media still haven't adjusted to MMP rather than FPP.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:22:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<p>2008:</p><p>National + ACT + Dunne = 64/122</p><p>2011 (if Greens take one off National with the Special votes):</p><p>National + Banks + Dunne = 61/121</p><p>majority reduced from six to one.<br />the media duopoly?s headline writers seem to have had too much gin on the night.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:34:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hebe</title>
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						Most have never understood it. Media tend to think in black and white (with honourable exceptions of course). MMP results are  a thousand shades of grey.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:50:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hebe</title>
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						<p><q>2008:<br />National + ACT + Dunne = 64/122<br />2011 (if Greens take one off National with the Special votes):<br />National + Banks + Dunne = 61/121<br />majority reduced from six to one.<br />the media duopoly?s headline writers seem to have had too much gin on the night</q>Sub-editors are useless at?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:52:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p><q>sub-editors are useless at maths (well-known fact) with or without gin. They are good at English.</q></p><p>ur, really really?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:56:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>    sub-editors are useless at maths (well-known fact) with or without gin. They are good at English.</p><p>ur, really really?</q></p><p>Um, yeah... Cos I frequently find myself ranting at basic spelling and grammatical mistakes in the pages of the Herald and Stuff.</p><p>And now to mark some essays.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:11:24 +1300</pubDate>
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						And me to my other 3 dailies (?Press?, ?Greymouth Evening Star? and the ?ODT? (that latter not nearly so much?)
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:25:13 +1300</pubDate>
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						Or should I say "they were good at English at school"  ;-)
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:36:44 +1300</pubDate>
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						Very probably!
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:37:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q>many media still haven?t adjusted to MMP rather than FPP</q></p><p>With MMP and the rise of the Greens I think everyone has to lose the mindset that elections are a 2-horse race.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:50:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						I think everyone <em>should have lost</em> that mindset <em>a long time ago</em>.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:03:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						I read that a recent poll (cannot find it now sorry) found that 40% of people choose their party vote based on who they would like to see as Prime Minister.  It is people like these that haven't truly understood MMP (imho).
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:43:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>DeepRed</title>
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						<p><q>I read that a recent poll (cannot find it now sorry) found that 40% of people choose their party vote based on who they would like to see as Prime Minister. It is people like these that haven?t truly understood MMP (imho).</q></p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/election-2011/6023300/Leaders-popularity-may-sway-party-choice" target="_blank">Was it this one</a>?</p><p>You're probably also thinking?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:30:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rachel Prosser</title>
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						<p><q>It is a bit annoying, I enrolled a month ago and still had to cast a special vote on the day.</q></p><p>If you enrolled a month ago &ndash; 26 October &ndash; you would have just missed out, as the rolls were printed on 25 October.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:41:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rachel Prosser</title>
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						<p><q>Yup ? and it?s also worth remembering that New Zealand does things like this because our electoral system is internationally respected and the results taken seriously. Getting the basics of a credible election result done right rather than done right now is important in ways far beyond the obvious.</q></p><p>I?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:49:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>izogi</title>
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						<p><q> In the backend, there?s an (unpublished, but auditable) database of eligible voters, based on driving license, IRD and Internal Affairs records. That allows anyones eligibility to be determined instantly.</q><br />Without wanting to be too critical of the general idea, there may be some privacy issues to work out if it's?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 02:21:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>It's also to allow time for overseas votes to be returned ... Kiwis voting in London, for instance, have their votes flown back to NZ and distributed to their "home" electoral districts. </q></p><p>Only if they voted at a diplomatic post or posted their votes to their local diplomatic post (for?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 02:22:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						Surely we should be counting John Banks as a National Party MP, in terms of reliability right?  Rather than say an MP from another party, with a differing agenda.  I don't know the guy, but he did spend an awfully long time as a National MP and old habits die?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:19:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>I don't know the guy, but he did spend an awfully long time as a National MP and old habits die hard for all of us</q><br />How about Winston? In the 1986-87 glory days of the Lange Government Banks and Peters were probably the two most voluble and visible opposition?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:34:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						The Electoral Commission already hears from NZ Post and possibly LTA and Immigration when people move, etc. And travel data goes to IRD and WINZ.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:31:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						I wouldn't rule out Banks taking another spin of the revolving door and becoming a National MP (again).
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:32:45 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>No judicial recounts</q></p><p>What about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_by-election,_1997" target="_blank">the 1997 Winchester election</a> where a rerun was ordered after an electoral petition?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:39:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>HenryB</title>
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						<p><q>[Winston].. delivers to a constituency carved out by the politics of division.</q></p><p>It has started already: we will be paying our bills to Chinese and Indian power companies, we were told on morning radio.  Good grief.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:02:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>izogi</title>
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						<p><q>Surely we should be counting John Banks as a National Party MP, in terms of reliability right?</q></p><p>Only as long as he doesn?t get run over by a bus during the next three years, because in that case he morphs back into Don Brash as far as the system is?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:15:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						I do admit to not paying a lot of attention to this, but Banks never really fell out with National's leadership, or did he?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:19:57 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>No, Banks is an electorate MP and ACT have no list MPs, not having polled enough to get more than one.</p><p>If Banks expires in office (and I take cheer from the mortality stats for fat old men) there would be a by-election. If the National candidate wins, there'll be?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:56:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Key thing to remember is that the list numbers never get adjusted in the course of a parliament.</q></p><p>Well, not yet. Maybe the Electoral Commission will recommend a change!</p><p>I'm thinking about whether there should be one in respect of list MPs who contest by-elections. I'm still forming my view,?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:18:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p><q>It?s a function of how the special votes are recorded. There aren?t any wholly Maori Polling Places. Each Polling Place will also have at least one General electorate. </q></p><p>Rachel, a belated thanks for this information, much appreciated.</p><p>Also, thanks to all the other clearly well informed and interesting comments on?</p>
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						<p><q>No, Banks is an electorate MP and ACT have no list MPs, not having polled enough to get more than one.</q></p><p>You are indeed correct.  Silly me forgetting about the threshold after all that.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:19:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<q> I?m still forming my view, but my initial thinking is not to ban the practice, but to prohibit the replacement of the successful list MP as a list MP (i.e. Parliament would reduce in size by one list MP for the remainder of the term). Very interested in alternate views.</q>?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:21:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p><em>I take cheer from the mortality stats for fat old men</em></p><p>Ugh. I don?t. It?s a personal and public health disaster. Interesting question, but not one I look forward to. Peachey?s death didn?t effect things because it was within 6 (?) months of a general election, right?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:46:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p><em>prohibit the replacement of the successful list MP as a list MP (i.e. Parliament would reduce in size by one list MP for the remainder of the term). Very interested in alternate views.</em></p><p>What's the reasoning? It seems to me to be the equivalent of banning list MPs from contesting?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:52:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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						<p>Yes, apparently "Dr Brash formerly resigned last night."</p><p>No word on whether a Tardis was involved.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:21:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Seems there are two cases, correct me if I'm wrong:</p><p><strong>Party A held seat, party A list MP wins seat</strong>: no net change on electorate or list<br /><strong>Party A held seat, party B list MP wins seat</strong>: +1 electorate MP for A, no net change on list</p><p>It seems (at?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:27:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<q>I?m thinking about whether there should be one in respect of list MPs who contest by-elections. I?m still forming my view, but my initial thinking is not to ban the practice, but to prohibit the replacement of the successful list MP as a list MP (i.e. Parliament would reduce in?</q>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:11:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						(by which I mean, it feels like in effect they're resigning from parliament, being replaced from the list, and then winning the election and coming back into parliament. Except it all only happens if they win)
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:11:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>That would seem likely to prevent a list MP from ever running for a mid-term electorate position, I can?t imagine why we?d want to do that.</q></p><p>Some people <a href="http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2009/05/anderton-against-dual-candidacy-in-by.html" target="_blank">actually want to ban that completely</a>. I'm positing a slightly less drastic alternative.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:34:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>This kinda smacks to me of deriving from the bogus idea that list MPs are a lesser class of representative, because their supporters are NZ wide rather than concentrated in one place.</q></p><p>Quite &ndash; and in a crazy idea, how about leaving voters to decide?  If a party duly selects?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:06:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p><q>Some people actually want to ban that completely. I?m positing a slightly less drastic alternative.</q></p><p>Same effect in reality though. What political party is going to let someone run off the list to an electoral by-election, if it means they lose a seat in the house?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:41:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>What political party is going to let someone run off the list to an electoral by-election, if it means they lose a seat in the house?</q></p><p>One that wants to win it :-)</p><p>One that doesn't want Judith Tizard or Paul Quinn to return from the list?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:37:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						But won't they just pick some future star who's a likely for the next election, but didn't make the list cut this year, and make them do it?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 12:06:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>But won?t they just pick some future star who?s a likely for the next election, but didn?t make the list cut this year, and make them do it?</q></p><p>No.</p><p>At least, that was my theory in the Mana By-election. People were arguing that MPs should be banned from running in?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 13:46:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>In that hypothetical situation, people would have elected Phil as an electorate MP and because he is a member of the Labour Party, got their next list person elected, who happened to be Judith Tizard.</p><p>If they didn't like that, they could have voted for another candidate. If the Labour?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 14:23:30 +1300</pubDate>
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