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Legal Beagle: He is Henry the Eighth, he is

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  • Mikaere Curtis,

    Except it doesn't. Saying it does doesn't make it so. And as a person of Canterbury, I don't like being used like this.

    You do get that this was a symbolic gesture, don't you ?

    Look, I really do get what you are all saying about the law being shite, and all that, and I think it would have been entirely OK for the Greens to vote against it. In the end it was a judgement call (and not, as some have said, an exercise in political expediency). The Greens really aren't the problem - its the authoritarianism inherent in the Labour and National parties. The Greens may have voted the wrong way, but National and Labour were totally into the whole deal !

    I suppose Labour deserves some small credit for, apparently, requiring the term of the legislation to be reduced from a barely credible five years to two -- but, otherwise: loyal Opposition? Hardly.

    Well and good, but Russel says they opposed some useful Green amendments, too.

    We tried to get Orders in Council published within 24 hours and presented to next day’s sitting of Parliament. Nats and Lab opposed.

    We tried to get a majority of elected Cantabrians onto Recovery Commission (rather than a majority of central govt appointees as it is now). Nat and Lab opposed.

    We tried to get a 6 month sunset clause written into the Act, with the ability to move a motion to extend it for another 6 months. Nat and Lab opposed.

    Tamaki Makaurau • Since Nov 2006 • 455 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    The CHCH 'Press' is reporting that Dean Knight, senior lecturer at Victoria U, is calling the Bill 'a constitutional outrage.'

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    You do get that this was a symbolic gesture, don't you ?

    I get that it's being presented as a symbolic gesture. Does that actually make it one? "We're going to give you a symbolic helping hand, please ignore its resemblance to a kick in the groin."

    But as Craig (I think) said, it's not that we feel the Greens are MORE culpable, rather less. It's that we expected better. Perhaps that's something of a mixed blessing for the Greens.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4369 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Thinking about it, the earthquake is one of the biggest vindications there has ever been for strict building codes which can delay completion of projects. To pass a law saying that these things can be overridden shows the politicians learned nothing from our "miracle".

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8589 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    I get that it's being presented as a symbolic gesture. Does that actually make it one? "We're going to give you a symbolic helping hand, please ignore its resemblance to a kick in the groin."

    Indeed -- and I'm not inclined to give Labour too much credit for generously insuring your nads only get tenderized for two years instead of five. Gee, thanks...

    But as Craig (I think) said, it's not that we feel the Greens are MORE culpable, rather less. It's that we expected better.

    Pretty much -- I'd never vote for the Greens, but most of the time I can respect their positions as principled and coherent from their ideological POV. And sometimes, standing by your principles puts you in an unpopular minority of one.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12034 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Lucy, I got the impression it was sewerage issues and not structural ones that were the issue - and that the state of emergency does override Tenancy Act protections. The new powers granted to Brownlee and chums may allow them to decree the same for the next 18 months.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16755 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    the politicians learned nothing from our "miracle".

    Let's not forget these are a lot of the same tired fuckwits who brought you leaky buildings last time they sought to make life easier for the private sector (rather than insist they stand on their own feet without a helping hand from daddy). Ambishus?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16755 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Well and good, but Russel says they opposed some useful Green amendments, too.

    Indeed. And I am appalled by that.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18963 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    I suppose Labour deserves some small credit for, apparently, requiring the term of the legislation to be reduced from a barely credible five years to two -- but, otherwise: loyal Opposition? Hardly.

    It's worse than that. Labour actually voted against most ammendments that could have introduced a semblance of democracy or process to this legislation.

    And then the Greens went and voted for it anyway. * Headdesk*.

    The People's Republic of … • Since Nov 2006 • 2136 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Withers,

    This why I have never voted National. Ever. I've voted left and right - but ideology isn't relevant when the party concerned is hostile to democracy and accountability.

    The way they have handled the Auckland Super City is all the evidence anyone should need that they dislike democracy intensely. There is no other way to understand the North Shore having two Auckland City councillors....and 4 National MPs.

    I could rage on for hours....but won't. I'm clear enough in my own mind that the people who lead the National Party today are not democrats and are working actively to subvert and limit democracy wherever they can.

    I swore off them when I watched them all sit on their hands while Muldoon did huge harm to this country. They haven't changed.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 280 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    Maybe they could get Millenium (which by now you must know includes Nats ex Pres AND a f*&king ex Prime Minister!!)to do some hiring for the Commisssion. No probs. No checkup. No worries.

    And now this stroke of the pen piece of shite? What's new?

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1497 posts Report Reply

  • John,

    No Apology for turning back to ARD Fairburn

    POLITICAL JOTTING

    Oh!, what a tangled web we weave
    when first we practise to deceive!

    And when the practise is perfected
    we're just the boys to get elected

    Auckland • Since Dec 2007 • 21 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Aston,

    Did any politician vote against this bill? Any at all ?

    By the way, where can we find the vote record on bills?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 503 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    Did any politician vote against this bill? Any at all ?

    No.

    The People's Republic of … • Since Nov 2006 • 2136 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    Maybe they could get Millenium

    My bad. Momentum Consulting!!

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1497 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Aston,

    wow! non of our elected representatives had the balls to vote against this bill - not even Hone ?

    I was stunned by the breathtaking audacity of this bill , but I'm far more concerned that no one actually voted against it.

    Have I missed something here ? Are there just the few of us on this blog who see the issue here ?

    Man ! the earth shakes a bit - we all shit ourselves , get hypnotized by the endless media images and allow the politicians grab unbridled power.

    Oh well safer than burning down the Beehive I guess.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 503 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    Did any politician vote against this bill? Any at all ?

    In a bizarre way this is not unique. One remembers the US of A HoR fully supporting the Patriot Act. The same "headlight blinded eyes" were evident after 911 from the media where noone was game enough to stand up to the idea that it is "US V the World and everyone should be for us". The idea that if you voted against the Patriot Act and here the CCRRB you are looked upon politically as traitors.

    The poor old Greens were in the same boat where if they did not vote for it, it would have been a bad look in Chch.

    It wasn't, but the media would have had a field day if they did vote against it. And it is a sad day when the only "radical" party in Parliament can't bite the bullet and make a stand on the principle.

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1497 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    The poor old Greens were in the same boat where if they did not vote for it, it would have been a bad look in Chch.

    And yet somehow I'm not moved by their plight.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7385 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    You can ring endless variations on that:

    Oh! what a tangled web we weave
    When first we practise to deceive!
    But when you've practised for a while,
    how vastly doth improve your style!

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12034 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    ... poor old Greens ...

    Mmmm. Could they not even have managed an abstention? I mean, generally I think abstentions are a big wuss-out, but very occasionally they're the better part of valour.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 373 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    And yet somehow I'm not moved by their plight.

    Me neither. A (for the most part) breathtakingly bad media environment is part of the landscape. There's nothing to be done about it, it's just something you work around and against.

    If that means you think they'll pillory you for this, you trust that the good people of Canterbury will be smart enough to know that you simply wanted good legislation, not something paved with good intentions.

    The People's Republic of … • Since Nov 2006 • 2136 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Aston,

    Mmmm. Could they not even have managed an abstention? I mean, generally I think abstentions are a big wuss-out, but very occasionally they're the better part of valour.

    Yeah its somthing , how about just walking out of the house, or better take a lead from the Russians and start throwing eggs and smoke bombs.

    And where have the media been on this? It didn't even make the TV news tonight .

    Call me paranoid but on the day we legislated unbridled exec power they bring in the ACT clowns to distract us all.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 503 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    The Greens were my default party (after Labour.)
    Not anymore.
    They've soiled their philosophical nest - and, I assume, for some unknown political advantage.
    Because, sure as shit, none of my Canterbury-based whanau are going to vote for them, in any way, again.
    Byebye Greens
    (sobs as she types that in.)

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Richard Aston - it *could* be a Textor gameplan - but how do they get The Greens to play along?

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    And where have the media been on this? It didn't even make the TV news tonight .

    Bloody hell. I switched on to One about five minutes into the bulletin and assumed I'd missed it.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1563 posts Report Reply

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