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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<title>trevor</title>
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						<p>Dropping things.<br />Air resistance IS a factor.</p><p>Try dropping a feather inside a glass (tall to reduce eddy currents.)<br />IF the feather falls slower than the glass it will come off the bottom of the glass. Does it? Try it.</p><p>You don't need to go to the moon!!!</p>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						That USA has never been invaded by a country that has McDonalds...
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>1. Heavy objects and light objects fall at the same rate  in a vacuum.<br />It helps to complete sentences sometimes ;-)</p><p>2. Labour won the last election because of a fantastic get-out-the-vote drive in South Auckland and the fact that people suddenly remembered what National was like.</p><p>3. No two?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:44:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>Oh, right, things that AREN'T true.<br />How about; <br />"The free market will regulate itself"<br />Yeah, right. The invisible hand slips on a latex glove and ..............</p><p>"Socialism has never worked"   <br />because it doesn't fit in with <br />"greed is good" <br />and we have the power to ensure it doesn't work.</p><p>And?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:59:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Oh, right, things that AREN'T true.</p></blockquote><p>You must have thought I was a <em>total</em> idiot :-)</p>
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				<title>richard</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.teachersdomain.org/resource/phy03.sci.phys.mfw.galmoon/" target="_blank">Here</a> is a cleaner video of the Falcon / feather experiment performed by the Apollo 15 crew, if anyone is interested. </p><p>Still looking for pedantry points, the War of 1812 between Britain and the US would seem to be  a fairly clear-cut example of two democracies at war with one?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:18:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>3410</title>
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						<blockquote><p>1. Heavy objects and light objects fall at the same rate</p></blockquote><p>I don't know about this one. I mean, it's clearly untrue as it stands. but is there seriously anyone who thinks that, say, a duvet and a block of cheese weighing the same amount would, on a windy day,?</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Didn't they do this one on the Daily Show or something last week? [update: yeah, John Stewart discussed this with Tony Blair].</p></blockquote><p>Which would be how the conversation arose :-)</p>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<blockquote><p>if someone can up up a blue one, I'll be a happy man</p></blockquote><p>Does poor weather on election day favor the National Party?</p>
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				<title>Rob Hosking</title>
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						<p>Danyl</p><p>It certainly didn't in 1984. Pissed down most of the country, most of the day. </p><p>It may have done, once upon a time, when cars were less common. Even then I have my doubts.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:46:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<blockquote><p>1. Heavy objects and light objects fall at the same rate in a vacuum.<br />It helps to complete sentences sometimes ;-)</p></blockquote><p>Quite. The acceleration due to gravity is the same for heavier and lighter objects. And considering the point of using this example of the limits of ?common sense? is?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:43:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tim McKenzie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Many people have a common sense notion that heavy objects tend to fall faster than lighter ones because gravity affects the heavier object more.</p></blockquote><p>Gravity <em>does</em> affect the heavier object more, but so does inertia, both in proportion to the mass of the object, so that __acceleration due to gravity__?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:58:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Peter Ashby</title>
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						The war *in * Lebanon in 2006 was not between the democracies of Israel and Lebanon, it was between Israel and Hizbullah, which is not a democracy. The state of Lebanon was not involved, even though it's nominal territory was invaded. The Lebanese National Army, the armed forces of the?
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				<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:47:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>steven crawford</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Many people have a common sense notion that heavy objects tend to fall faster than lighter ones because gravity affects the heavier object more.</p></blockquote><p>But doesn't the objects weight need to be heavier than air, to even enter the race.  </p><p>Maybe, ships sinking to the sea-floor, might look like planes?</p>
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<p>Hunh?<br />Ships don't sink gracefully in a vacuum.</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But doesn't the objects weight need to be heavier than air?</p></blockquote><p>Denser. Not heavier. But yes.</p><blockquote><p>And yes, as it happens, I did just check this out myself yesterday, while tinkering around in the backyard.</p></blockquote><p>You own a tank? Cool!</p>
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Does poor weather on election day favor the National Party?</p></blockquote><p>I think the myth is that it is bad for the incumbent</p>
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				<title>steven crawford</title>
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						I'v just woken up, (school holidays) but I still have this dream in my head. Wouldn't it be cool if we could get an old passenger liner, The QE2, or sum such Icon into space. It could orbit the moon, as an amateur astronomers attraction.
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Gravity <em>does</em> affect the heavier object more, but so does inertia, both in proportion to the mass of the object, so that <em>acceleration due to gravity</em> stays the same.</p></blockquote><p>Fair enough. I could?ve worded my sentence better, but the net effect is what matters, for the purposes of the point?</p>
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				<title>steven crawford</title>
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						Yep, I get the thing about compact density, <a href="http://images.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/154/367414231_b6777f1f6a_o.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.wanderings.net/notebook/Main/AeroscraftAirShip&amp;h=291&amp;w=485&amp;sz=32&amp;hl=en&amp;start=150&amp;sig2=4N2mJO6vVrYwWe8LY7Lx2Q&amp;usg=__ORC3v4vZGShoB1TWUSDUQGX6LUs=&amp;tbnid=bi6Prnf8OhCtbM:&amp;tbnh=77&amp;tbnw=129&amp;ei=rOTfSJbMF6qopwSdxYTLDQ&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcruise%2Bship%2Bin%2Bspace%26start%3D140%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN" target="_blank">but really</a>
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						<p>Can anyone try dropping our politicians down a stairwell?  (Hmm, I just noticed something &ndash; there are a lot of 'i's in politician)</p><p>Anyway... back to the dropping thing.</p><p>During the election all candidates have to be dropped down a stairwell to determine density.</p><p>After all we don't want overly?</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>During the election all candidates have to be dropped down a stairwell to determine density.</p></blockquote><p>If we're showing they're less dense than the Media they're floating in, that won't tell you much.</p><p>BTW I had it explained to me that what Galileo should have done was taken a cannonball and a?</p>
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				<title>Greg Dawson</title>
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						<p>So, one that is blue (but not in a cussin' way):</p><p>The sky is blue because it is reflecting the sea...</p><p>wiki o doom says<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffuse_sky_radiation" target="_blank">"The sunlit sky appears blue because air scatters short-wavelength light more than longer wavelengths."</a></p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You must have thought I was a total idiot :-)</p></blockquote><p>Not at all Graeme, Twas my brain that were fuddled by this new fangled daylight saving thingy, I still don't know whether i'm early or late.<br />Anyroad, It seems that financiers fall at the same rate as their portfolios, most?</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						Ok, derive the equation for an object of mass M and cross-section S falling in air at nominal density. Using only common sense.
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						M/S squared=tV where Tv is terminal velocity in metres per second ;-)
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				<title>Laura McCaffery</title>
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						<blockquote><p>In any event, this little factoid (hey ? I used it right!)</p></blockquote><p>THIS!! Far too many people seem to be under the impression that a factoid is a small fact...</p><p>-oid ? small! I kind of wish it was, though. Just think of the possibilities, dwarves would be androids! :D</p>
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						It's actually SQRT(k.m/S) where k is a factor of g, air density, Cd, etc.
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				<title>Peter Ashby</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Wouldn't it be cool if we could get an old passenger liner, The QE2, or sum such Icon into space. It could orbit the moon, as an amateur astronomers attraction.</p></blockquote><p>Traditionally it is a teapot in orbit around Mars...</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's actually SQRT(k.m/S) where k is a factor of g, air density, Cd, etc.</p></blockquote><p>You, sir, are, in my correct opinion, a charlatan. I challenge you to a plummet.<br />As long as I can have a parachute of which has an area not less than the square of my mass?</p>
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				<title>tussock</title>
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						<p>Terrorism is the greatest threat facing the democratic world.</p><p>We've been invited to their country, and it's tor their own good.</p><p>Gangs are a growing threat to society.</p><p>P is the most dangerous thing you could get into.</p><p>The gays will ruin marriage, with all their butt-secs.</p><p>Kids these days,?</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Terrorism is the greatest threat facing the democratic world.<br />We've been invited to their country, and it's tor their own good.</p></blockquote><p>Bullshit , crap, f*ck off. Now give me your oil. Just had to get that off my chest... why? because I can :-)</p>
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						Or to put it differently... Yes Tussock , I agree.
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				<title>Rex Widerstrom</title>
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						<p>TroyHoward suggests:</p><blockquote><p>During the election all candidates have to be dropped down a stairwell to determine density.</p></blockquote><p>I'm afraid it'd be almost impossible to allow for the differences in mass.</p><p>For instance those merely full of hot air would fall at a slower rate than those full of s**t. Then?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:35:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JohnAmiria</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/14/AR2008101403331.html?hpid=topnews" target="_blank">from today's Washington Post</a></p><blockquote><p>The Bush administration issued a pair of secret memos to the CIA in 2003 and 2004 that explicitly endorsed the agency's use of interrogation techniques such as waterboarding against al-Qaeda suspects &mdash; documents prompted by worries among intelligence officials about a possible backlash if details of?</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:10:34 +1300</pubDate>
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