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  • Greg Dawson, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    I thought we’d already figured out it was all due to the moon?

    Don’t be silly, in this thread it’s all John Key’s fault.

    I'm not ruling out the possibility that John Key controls the moon, obviously.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 294 posts Report

  • linger,

    the world’s foremost geopolitical director

    Is that the job title of someone who cranks to keep the world turning?

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1944 posts Report

  • giovanni tiso, in reply to Che Tibby,

    i think Cullen might have been all over it. he was the last elected official to address aging.

    Which is why after Labour's time in office we all felt nine years younger.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report

  • Paul Williams, in reply to Che Tibby,

    i struggle with that. surely working out the details of public policy is the job of public service.

    So long as I can recall, Labour's always done a fair bit of policy work but it is largely at the strategic level.

    My own view is that a party needs to do enough of their own thinking to develop some coherence, particularly in policy clusters; the major goals in education, employment, IR should line up for instance.

    I was involved in industry training before leaving NZ and used to be frustrated that on the one hand, firms would be asked jump through a few (reasonable) hoops to get any funding for accredited training but, on the other hand, WINZ would hand out cash for unaccredited training and MED would offer funding for "development" that didn't include any requirement for training. Entirely mixed messages (and in the case of MED, I'm of the view it was Ministerial failure).

    regards that report you link to, i think Cullen might have been all over it. he was the last elected official to address aging.

    Indeed. NZ Treasury's saying similar things, I just don't see the same agency buy-in that I see here (albeit primarily federal agencies).

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2273 posts Report

  • Che Tibby, in reply to Paul Williams,

    the major goals in education, employment, IR should line up for instance.

    problem: you ever see “George and Mildred”? show from the 70s?

    those goals are george-unsexy.

    it seems to be the outcome every time anyone stands up to talk about aspirational goals in any way relating to these areas? almost instant eye-glaze compared to sexy sexy tax cuts or worrisome worrisome public debt.

    how to fix it? i do not know.

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2042 posts Report

  • Paul Williams, in reply to Che Tibby,

    those goals are george-unsexy.

    Hell yes, which is why you use cute phrases like Modern Apprenticeships to make it meaningful. I do a fair bit of policy "confectionary", as do all officials, but you can't shine a shit (as they say here).

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2273 posts Report

  • Che Tibby, in reply to Paul Williams,

    but you can’t shine a shit (as they say here).

    you might like to look for those statues of the Conservation Minister someone here has been making.

    otherwise, maybe that's the problem with all these politics. they're trying to make their job interesting, when what they should be doing is just getting the hell on with integrating the economy/workforce/education...

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2042 posts Report

  • Sacha, in reply to BenWilson,

    What's your take on compulsory savings? As I see it, this is the main difference in NZ's tax structure to Australia's and they don't have any of this debt crisis. Nor are they totally skewed towards property, since the super funds typically have a large investment directly into the stockmarket. Could this be the central plank of a genuine response from Labour?

    Not that I'm Keith, but I'd say establishing the Cullen Fund and KiwiSaver were parts of that response during Labour's last time in the driver's seat. Not safe from dismantling by the current bozos after a quick short-term buck, despite rhetoric about saving. Sure looks like a difference I'd expect to see emphasised during election campaigning.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Sacha,

    Not safe from dismantling by the current bozos after a quick short-term buck, despite rhetoric about saving. Sure looks like a difference I'd expect to see emphasised during election campaigning.

    Dancing Cossacks 2.0, methinks?

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5446 posts Report

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Greg Dawson,

    I thought we’d already figured out it was all due to the moon?

    Don’t be silly, in this thread it’s all John Key’s fault.

    I’m not ruling out the possibility that John Key controls the moon, obviously.

    I bet the wristband is the remote control device

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4461 posts Report

  • Ross Mason,

    but you can’t shine a shit (as they say here).

    Yes you can actually.

    Ah so!

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1590 posts Report

  • Islander, in reply to Ross Mason,

    Waua! The things I learn in the PAS Cafe! Thank you Ross!

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report

  • Gareth Ward,

    Surely Peter Dunne should be the one to address the intergenerational and ageing issues we face, given that he will continue to live amongst humanity for many of those coming generations, and was exposed to similar issues during his time in 11th Century Mesopotamia...

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1727 posts Report

  • Islander, in reply to Gareth Ward,

    Please tell us more!

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report

  • Simon Poole,

    Islander: You have never noticed that Peter Dunne resembles a vampire?

    In my household, he is known as Dunncula. It was the haircut he sported at the '08 election that did it really.

    Since Dec 2008 • 161 posts Report

  • Islander, in reply to Simon Poole,

    No I hadnt - but nowwww you mention it...
    ...and given some of his policies...
    arrrgh!

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report

  • shagensis, in reply to Russell Brown,

    _Also, "cuts" isn't a very useful word on its own._

    _"Cuts" are about to lead to 75 NIWA staff, including 17 scientists, being sacked.
    _
    Too right. Cuts for cuts sake, if you reduce the workforce, how does efficiency or productivity increase?

    Bring on the Levy too, at least we know where the money will be spent rebuilding. Cuts just go to the never never... just like at NIWA

    Nelson • Since Mar 2011 • 1 posts Report

  • Kumara Republic,

    So why is there no money left for scientists and public transit, but there is somehow money for pet project highways and a sporting tournament of dubious profitability?

    Probably for the same reasons that robbing a bank at gunpoint will earn a prison sentence, but doing the same thing by gambling it on CDO's will get you off scott-free.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5446 posts Report

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Greg Dawson,

    I’m not ruling out the possibility that John Key controls the moon, obviously.

    No, but he is made of the same stuff... cheese.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Paul Williams,

    but you can’t shine a shit (as they say here).

    Ah but...

    National managed to do it to a currency speculator.
    ;-)

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to shagensis,

    if you reduce the workforce, how does efficiency or productivity increase?

    Doing the same with less is a productivity increase., which is what they'll be expecting of NIWA.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    there is somehow money for ... a sporting tournament of dubious profitability?

    That one's very definitely not National's fault. Labour signed that contract, and it's not the kind of thing that you can suddenly say "Yeah, sorry, we're a bit too broke" even 18 months out from the kick-off date, never mind fewer than six.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    [Key] is made of the same stuff... cheese.

    Ah, but what sort? Edam? Parmesan? Gouda? Feta? Gourmet voters want to know!

    Where's a Wishartian expose when you need one?

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    That one's very definitely not National's fault. Labour signed that contract, and it's not the kind of thing that you can suddenly say "Yeah, sorry, we're a bit too broke" even 18 months out from the kick-off date, never mind fewer than six.

    For sure. But didn't Australia manage to self-finance their RWC with minimal state funding? From what I know, the Aussie stadium upgrades were mostly paid for by the stadium companies themselves. Also, rugby doesn't seem to have as wide a global audience as, say, soccer.

    It's a different kettle of fish to the America's Cup defence, where most seemed to agree that the financial returns were assured.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5446 posts Report

  • Sacha, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    Doing the same with less is a productivity increase

    As is doing more with the same - thanks to better processes, partnerships, leadership or capital investment in technology and research.

    Now, which of those approaches is 'ambitious'? Which sort produces a high value economy? What sort of country do we want to live in and for our children to inherit?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

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