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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<p>indeed. what do you call money you take from your wages and put into a bank account to spend later?</p><p>clue: "savings". some also call it "offset spending".</p><p>serious question though: won't this also be revenue positive for the govt? increasing kiwisaver employer contributions is shortly to incur a 33%?</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						The idea of compulsory savings is predicated on the concept that money placed on the stock markets today, or even in a bank, will be around and able to purchase things in 30, 40 or 50 years time. I'm not convinced that's reasonable &ndash; aren't we just being forced to?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:54:52 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>rich:</p><p>whut?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:09:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Brendon Steen</title>
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						<p>Rich,</p><p>If people aren't comfortable with the kinds of KiwiSaver schemes that are currently available either because they're worried about risk or because they're that anti-capitalist, then Labour are talking about creating an alternative option where people can instead invest in government bonds instead of managed funds.</p><p>It's also worth?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:44:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						<p>Lets make it compulsory to prop up the Flying Monkey Deposits Industry (Managed Fund Industry) so that when they spank those "Flying Monkey Deposits" in your face and you get to live with that failure &ndash; then all the monkey depositors can run to the taxpayer to save them.</p><p>What?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:10:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mattgeeknz</title>
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						I trust a well-regulated KiwiSaver provider that properly discloses its fees and investment strategy to look after my retirement savings than I do the government.  After all, aside from 17b or so the government has in the Cullen fund (equivalent to two full years of super, and that's it) there?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:24:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>employers will offset what they have to pay into KiwiSaver by taking it out of wages</q></p><p>Because they are too incompetent to increase productivity by a tiny amount each year any other way? Good to see how little the Nats' pet muckspreader thinks of their consitituents. And how thoroughly unambitious?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:33:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						<p><q>DexterX: there's no way I'd invest in a KiwiSaver fund that was up to its eyeballs in punts on commercial real estate. If you do your research you don't have to either.</q></p><p>What I am saying is that investment in prime realty is what the coporations do with what they?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:43:44 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>people have money to save?<br />and to SPARE?<br />Geeez, really?<br />I dont, and havent, for the past decade-<br />you fellas are entirely out of my non-income bracket-</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:13:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						It took me a while to get used to the idea of compulsory savings in Oz. But it really is my money sitting over there in an account. Surprisingly large sum, considering I was only working for Australians for 3 years. Australia has the highest proportion of small investors in?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:02:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>Currently employer contributions up to the minimum 2% are not taxed (anything past 2% is taxed) &ndash; anyone know if the Labour proposal taxes employer contributions? </p><p>(if not then it's a net win an  Farrar is full of shit comparing a tax free income with a taxed one)</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:22:47 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>i think that arguing against capitalism is a little silly tbh. it's capitalism that gave us the computers we have the free time to type on, and all the toys that make our lives easier.</p><p>unfettered capitalism in the form of de/unregulated merchant bankers and currency speculators otoh? capital-B Bad.?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:22:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q>properly discloses its fees and investment strategy </q></p><p>And doesn't for instance, recycle those fees into the fund to inflate the valuation, as <a href="http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/securities-commission-sues-huljich-133376" target="_blank">Hujlich</a> has been charged with. I'm amazed that Brash and Banks have avoided prosecution on that &ndash; as directors they should be liable, but I guess Key doesn't?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:47:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						<p>Listen Capitalism has been doing some pretty heavy things over the years right, and it has got to start getting beautiful or this planet is headed for oblivion.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57WpwHE-d-Y&amp;feature=colike" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57WpwHE-d-Y&amp;feature=colike</a></p><p>Blaming Capitalism is like being afraid of the dark.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:53:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p><q><br />people have money to save?<br />and to SPARE?<br />Geeez, really?<br />I dont, and havent, for the past decade-<br />you fellas are entirely out of my non-income bracket-<br /></q><br />Me neither. I've saved about -$34,000 in the last decade.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:08:38 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>it?s capitalism that gave us the computers we have the free time to type on, and all the toys that make our lives easier</q></p><p>Because its all about the toyz?</p><p>I wouldn?t want to relitigate this, preferring that people just watch history unfurl.</p><p>However, I?d just point out that the?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:08:43 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>i think that arguing against capitalism is a little silly tbh. it's capitalism that gave us the computers we have the free time to type on, and all the toys that make our lives easier.</p><p>unfettered capitalism in the form of de/unregulated merchant bankers and currency speculators otoh? capital-B Bad.?</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:44:31 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Globalisation and resource exhaustion are rapidly eating away that cushion of mass affluence that enabled capitalism to dodge the Marxian bullet.</q></p><p>It also coincides with the hyper-commercialisation of products and services that used to be regarded as public goods, like housing, energy, and healthcare.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:53:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>If it's going to compulsory (a-f*#%^n-men) then why continue with the employee/employer contribution smoke and mirrors?  It's all the same money from the same source, no? </p><p>And regarding the "lower wages" lines, unfortunately Farrar and others know full well that telling people they'll get less money right now in the?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:59:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						the difference at the moment is that the size of the employee portion is determined by the employee (I  choose to put 8% in). The employer portion is also tax free
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:02:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andrew C</title>
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						<p><q>Over on Kiwiblog, Farrar is trying to claim that "Labour are officially campaigning for lower wages", because employers will offset what they have to pay into KiwiSaver by taking it out of wages.</q></p><p>The compulsory contributions are going to increase over time (did Goff say 7%? I was distracted when?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:02:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>But his Herald column is actually pretty bang-on.</q></p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&amp;objectid=10762233" target="_blank">Link</a>.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:09:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p><q>the difference at the moment is that the size of the employee portion is determined by the employee (I choose to put 8% in). The employer portion is also tax free</q></p><p>Right, your first point there is just the same as having a 9%-of-salary minimum contribution with the optional right?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:09:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						Thanks Sacha
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						<p>Farrar is misleading about this at least:</p><p><q>However the higher employer contribution will result in lower wages (Labour's policy acknowledges this explicitly) and fewer jobs.</q></p><p>His 'fear' only makes sense in a more laissez faire labour market like the Nats delight in. </p><p>The Labour package from what I've read also?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:15:17 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>The employer portion is also tax free</q></p><p>Didn't that change in the last Budget?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:15:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						At the moment (I'm an employer, my company only employs myself) I can only give the mimimum employer contribution (2% going to 3%) tax free to my employees, any more and I have to withhold tax on that income and report it as income to the IRD &ndash; this is?
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						didn't that change? I'm not sure, if it has it hasn't kicked in yet (just like the 3% hasn't kicked in yet &ndash; I would guess April 1st) &ndash; at the moment there's two parts: the employer can claim a tax credit for their contribution and the employee doesn't pay?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:28:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>I would guess April 1st</q></p><p>Due on July 1st, I recall &ndash; but it applies back to July *this year*, not "after the election" as English promised.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						National's 'employment' policy released. <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/election-2011/5868246/National-pledges-to-cut-pay-for-young" target="_blank">Spanking</a> the uppity workers and the young.
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>National's 'employment' policy released. Spanking the uppity workers and the young.</q></p><p>Jezuz. We <em>have</em> to get more kids to vote.</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>Poking around on the IRD/KS web site I can't see anything different from what I've described above  (for current wages ie today)</p><p>Ah! <a href="http://www.ird.govt.nz/changes/kiwisaver/budget-kiwisaver.html?id=more" target="_blank">here's</a> a list of changes:</p><p>"Compulsory employer contributions will rise from 2% to 3% from 1 April 2013"</p><p>"All employer contributions to employees' KiwiSaver accounts (and complying?</p>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<p><q>That last one does mean that the tax free portion of the employer contribution will go away April 1 next year ? in essence National have reduced your KS contribution by ~1/6</q></p><p>it's worse than that. the employer increases their contribution, but ALL of this contribution is now taken away?</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						I think that given that National have already done this bit of take back then if Labour increase the 3% to 7% (still taxed)  then I'm better off as if my gross had increased by 107/103 = 3.9% and I was being taxed normally &ndash; at the top marginal rate?
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						<p><q>Because they are too incompetent to increase productivity by a tiny amount each year any other way</q></p><p>Have you met some of the er people that manage our companies in NZ?</p>
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						<p><q>I dont, and havent, for the past decade-<br />you fellas are entirely out of my non-income bracket-</q></p><p>They live in a completely different world!</p><p>(By which I mean that people like Keri and me have a slightly different business model than most other small business people. An uneconomic business model.?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:37:00 +1300</pubDate>
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						Yes, and they deserve better than a government which believes their only hope of success is to make it easier to take more from their staff. That's far from ambitious.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:38:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>The compulsory contributions are going to increase over time (did Goff say 7%? I was distracted when he was on the radio talking about it), and employers might well not have room to additionally add in the hand wages rises on top of this.</q></p><p>Increasing at a rate of 0.5%?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:09:51 +1300</pubDate>
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						The bigger pciture &ndash; Rod Oram from 2008 on why <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/opinion/rod-oram/385050/Rod-Oram-we-need-a-faster-horse" target="_blank">low wage policies</a> are for losers. Any opposition who can't make that point stick deserves a bullet.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:11:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Increasing at a rate of 0.5% per year. Treasury?s projecting (yeah yeah, I know) wage growth of 3.8% per annum. Even if Treasury?s only got it half right, that?s still a 1.4% increase in wages over and above the employer?s contribution.</q></p><p>I really don't think you get to say "yeah?</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p>That's why I tempered it by halving Treasury's projections, Craig. At some point wages will increase, and Labour's not talking about introducing the policy immediately. Or do you think that another term of National will put the country into terminal decline and wages will never rise again?</p><p>ETA: I also?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q> I?d like to see a provision that forces employers to disclose when they are reducing pay increases to compensate for increased employer contributions into KS, with stiff monetary penalties for misleading behaviour.</q></p><p>On the face of it, I'd agree with you &ndash; but would be damned if I could see?</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p><q><br /> We?ve coddled business owners long e-bloody-nough about how they treat their staff. I?d like to see a provision that forces employers to disclose when they are reducing pay increases to compensate for increased employer contributions into KS, with stiff monetary penalties for misleading behaviour<br /></q></p><p>And yet, The John Key Party?</p>
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						<p><q>You can't spin it otherwise.</q></p><p>I believe they tried the "better to be paid bugger all than nothing" line &ndash; ie: that it would create more jobs. Beans.</p>
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						Beans are good &ndash; nothing wrong with them &ndash; it is keanuts that are a problem &ndash; you can't plant and growth anything form the roasted ones.
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>But, damn, I wish Cunliffe wasn?t quite so blithe about it leading to lower wage increases.</q></p><p>Given the state of wage increases in recent years, lower is still better than none. I'm sure the Parliamentary Secretaries and EAs would love to get <em>any</em> pay increase, after generously being offered zero?</p>
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						<p>Che Tibby</p><p>You are right on the button.</p><p>Saving is actively discouraged by ridiculous tax rates.</p><p>No wonder political parties blather on about savings, it means revenue for governments.</p>
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						When did Treasury ever get anything right?
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						<p>Dear Flying Monkey Despotisores, </p><p>talking about saving, we are about to be saved from ourselves:<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN5DZC4MimQ&amp;feature=youtu.be" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN5DZC4MimQ&amp;feature=youtu.be</a></p><p>Thank goodness &ndash; I would have never have worked it out on my own.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:24:57 +1300</pubDate>
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						if you post just the full youtube address (including the http) without any square brackets, it embeds itself automatically.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:28:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:30:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Thank goodness &ndash; I would have never have worked it out on my own.</q></p><p>What I want to know is who the hell got paid for that shit.  And, frankly, Labour's was a slicker production than National's bizarre effort but damn... I've really got to stop having expectations of being?</p>
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						<p><q>Still, if you want to talk about perverse outcomes if the election was held tomorrow The Greens would get my party vote. Norman and Turei faintly annoyed me, but I wanted to bottle Goff and Key.</q></p><p>Hold that thought Craig : )</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:32:23 +1300</pubDate>
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						Labour's show was slicker, but I put a lot of that down to a <em>very</em> good decision. They have opted to take Key head on <em>as a team</em>. It made very compelling watching to hear from some of their pool of very competent orators. It's brilliant because it's totally apparent?
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				<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:52:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Also, it?s a great answer to the concerns Gio puts excellent voice to. They have made a conscious choice to show the history of the people in their party to starkly contrast with the virtual absence of history that Key brings to the table. </q></p><p>Gio also Tweeted, ?I want to?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:58:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<p><q>Gio also Tweeted, ?I want to vote Labour ? in 1935?.</q></p><p>Which I immediately followed with <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/gtiso/status/129831460160012288" target="_blank">this tweet</a>, as well you know. </p><p>I thought it was a remarkable broadcast, personally, ever bit as good as National's was awful (and surprisingly so). One could of course discuss the substance of how?</p>
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						<p><q>Each of us will come to different conclusions about that, but by god does it raise the level of political discourse. </q></p><p>I think we?re going to have to agree to disagree on that, though we?re not exactly talking about a rigorous or particularly high bar. In Masterchef terms, it was?</p>
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						<p><q>I thought it was a remarkable broadcast, personally, ever bit as good as National's was awful (and surprisingly so).</q></p><p>Totally agree.</p>
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						<p><q>Gio also Tweeted, ?I want to vote Labour ? in 1935?</q></p><p>Yes, followed up shortly by "Seriously, though, the Labour party broadcast is very, very good. The complete opposite of all their advertising and dumb stunts so far."*</p><p><q>Sounds an awful lot like business as usual.</q></p><p>On retirement age it?</p>
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						<p><q>Each of us will come to different conclusions about that, but by god does it raise the level of political discourse. That really was remarkable stuff.</q></p><p>Yes, I was very surprised, and in a good way. It was like Labour actually listened to me personally. That feels like a first?</p>
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						<p><q>Still, if you want to talk about perverse outcomes if the election was held tomorrow The Greens would get my party vote. Norman and Turei faintly annoyed me, but I wanted to bottle Goff and Key.</q></p><p>I think you should be able to change your electoral vote so that you?</p>
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						<p><q>In Masterchef terms, it was beautifully plated, over-garnished but still lacking substance.</q></p><p>What substance were you expecting? A list of policies? That's not what a political broadcast should be about. A political broadcast needs to give electors the why, not the what and the how. There are plenty of places?</p>
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						<p><q>"More roads" is something I don't even want at all</q></p><p>I think National's reasoning is pretty solid there: put assets up for sale so their friends in business can buy them, and devolve the proceeds to their friends in business to build roads. It's beautiful really.</p>
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						<p><q>but if you put them in your campaign broadcast, like National did, you're just trying to lose the election.</q></p><p>I almost expected Key to pop up a Powerpoint slideshow with policy bullets, the way he was going.</p>
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						<p>More voters understand roads as infrastructure than understand energy and fibre communications are the ones that matter most for this nation's future. </p><p>Selling off core energy network assets to pay for more roads is a straightforward assertion of priorities and it needs to be named and shamed. I agree it's?</p>
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						I thought Labour's was pretty weak actually. I can't imagine that too many floating voters got past the interminable intro, chock-full of some of the ropiest ancient footage known to man. Newsflash: outside of nerds like us, no one gives a shit what happened in 1916. It did nothing to?
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						<p><q>it felt like Russel and Metiria were relentlessly slowly chasing me</q></p><p>I wanted them to. stop. walking.</p>
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						<p><q>What substance were you expecting? </q></p><p>I shouldn't have expected any, but I keep setting myself up for disappointment every three years.</p>
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						It's a CBD election with a rural ssshhhhhhhhh
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						I think the Greens may have made a slight mis-step in their broadcast. In a large part they were saying they'd be good for the poor and marginalised, but they kept on telling people to go to their website for the details. One of the things about the poor and?
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						<p><q>good for the poor and marginalised</q></p><p>I'm not convinced that's who their target is. People who *believe* in what the Labour campaign clip called 'fairness', yes.</p>
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						<p><q>More voters understand roads as infrastructure than understand energy and fibre communications are the ones that matter most for this nation?s future.</p><p>Selling off core energy network assets to pay for more roads is a straightforward assertion of priorities and it needs to be named and shamed. I agree it?s?</q></p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q> I thought Key made the point clearly enough, that the sales would be to fund purchases of new assets.</q></p><p>And some may see that as a good business decision, however. We are talking infrastructure assets here, power and water, transport and, god help us, our national asset that is the?</p>
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						<p><q>Key's assumption that all assets are equal is a crock of shit</q></p><p>Worse, they're overwhelmingly prioritisng last century's assets &ndash; roads.</p>
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						<p><q>Worse, they?re overwhelmingly prioritisng last century?s assets ? roads.</q></p><p>I don?t see them actively selling roads to foreign owners, not that we need many more roads let alone vast stretches of eight lane tarmac through our, some would say greatest asset, our ?pristine? countryside. The problem I see is National?</p>
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						<p><q>Prime Minister John Key's opening address of the National Party election campaign was disrupted by chanting protesters shouting "stop the war on the poor."</p><p> About four protesters chanted as they were escorted out of Auckland's Sky City Convention Centre by police.</q> <a href="V "> Grrrrrr</a></p>
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						NZ is borrowing 380 mill a week, if we nnualise this we come up with a shortfall of 20 billion or therabouts &ndash; there are approx 1.2 million paying tax &ndash; so to do what we are currently doing as a Nationa and with out buying Len Brown a trainset?
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				<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:12:41 +1300</pubDate>
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						It's not their spending it's how they're spending...
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				<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:24:16 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Speaking of war on the poor, are the Lhawses and Garrottes of this world happy now?</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&amp;objectid=10762499" target="_blank">Peru reopens forced sterlizations case</a></p>
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						<p>There is an interesting look at a cause/problem of child abuse &ndash; abandoned youth by Owen Glen here &ndash; he quates a Dame.</p><p>"more than a change of government, what is needed is a change of heart".</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/population/news/article.cfm?c_id=608&amp;objectid=10760501" target="_blank">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/population/news/article.cfm?c_id=608&amp;objectid=10760501</a></p><p>Advocates for a lift in the minimum wage should start their own?</p>
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						3 of my closest friends are post-grad qualified ? one a doctor in bio-chem, another a Masters in Library IS, and the third in ICT ? and all of them have been under-employed for some time. 2 of them have gone freelance but things aren?t much better. No wonder the?
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>but assets sales and introduction of taxes well they last forever</q></p><p>No they don't. <br />Governments regularly develop and buy new assets<br />Governments regularly cut taxes</p><p>Whether either of those things is the right thing to do at the time is something only obvious with 20/20 hindsight and even then sometimes?</p>
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						<p><q>I think National?s reasoning is pretty solid there: put assets up for sale so their friends in business can buy them, and devolve the proceeds to their friends in business to build roads. It?s beautiful really.</q></p><p>And entirely consistent with the belief that putting the money in the hands of?</p>
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						<p><q>and all of them have been under-employed for some time</q></p><p>That's what happens when you effectively freeze research funding in NZ. It's an easy area to cut for a government because the consequences are several election cycles away. And this is nothing to do with National, Labour had also effectively?</p>
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						<p><q>Anne Tolley is going to spend money on children? Really?</q></p><p>Of course she is &ndash; on Grammar boys that is.</p>
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						Or Wanganui Collegiate (as noted in the Dom Post this morning).
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						It's how all politicians frame cause, affect and time that is so confusing. This will never change because apparently if you speak your truth in a straight manner you become un-electable.
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						<p><q>Governments regularly develop and buy new assets<br />Governments regularly cut taxes</q></p><p>Maybe yes maybe no.</p><p>Once a tax has been introduced it will never be removed and once an asset it sold they won't rebuy it unless it is run so bad it is failing and then they will bail?</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<p><q>Once a tax has been introduced it will never be removed</q></p><p>Like estate taxes, you mean?</p>
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						I guess it all revolves around the definition of asset, and tax.
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>OK Skippy...<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=wh-i-V48Xkk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=wh-i-V48Xkk</a><br />Meanwhile...<br /><q>It hardly boded well for the Commonwealth's future when the New Zealand Prime Minister decided it was unnecessary for him to attend the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Perth.</q><br />So what is he actually doing?.<br />Oh that's right, he's playing Hobitses and Town Halls 'n' stuff.</p>
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						It seems from this <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10762942" target="_blank"> Herald piece</a> even Key's chums have doubts. :)
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						<p>Interesting. I'm still stymied by:</p><p><q>Sixty per cent of businesses said increasing the literacy, numeracy and basic skill levels of the workforce was the number one productivity issue for the Government to address.</q></p><p>Is illiteracy and innumeracy really that much of a burden on productivity? I don't think they're good?</p>
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						We have some of the best rates of literacy and numeracy in the world, at 15. There are problems, but there's also a big chunk of people who don't want to go on to tertiary (and end up with a massive debt) but can't find other training alternatives. Poor productivity?
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						<p>That?s interesting because the vast majority of business in NZ is 5 employees and under, we never hear Mr Key talk about them. I think the tax regime for sole traders and SME?s (small to medium enterprises) needs a radical rethink (tax write-offs discourage growth).<br />This is the area where?</p>
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						<p><q>Rob is right, what about those who chose not to study at tertiary level, what can we offer them?</q></p><p>Used be called 'night classes', also known as adult education (?WEA?)</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:20:54 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Is productivity being dragged down by these people</q></p><p>Managers, yes.</p>
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						Sounds like a digital opportunity, and we don't even need faster broadband for it. Tertiary wont like it though.
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						<p>You are not wrong!<br />But &ndash; would be an ideal solution for the rather large number of people who want to become more skilful at a large range of things (I was fielding questions yesterday from a family member who is a trawlerman about how to get study-driven info about?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:36:06 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Sounds like time for a digital open polytechnic, possibly better than a cycleway?<br />When I see these sorts of ideas it confirms for me that Mr Key wanting to sell our assets is simply him admitting defeat.</p>
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						<p>Death &ndash; Estate Duty was zero rated for almost two decades before it was abolished.  Do you wnat me to tell you why or are you familiar with it.</p><p>If a CGT is introduced I don't think any govt would remove it.</p><p>IMHO CGT is evil.</p>
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						School leavers who don?t have an adequate grasp of the English Language or basic arithmetic are dragging down productivity.  An example being I employed a school leaver who did not know what parallel or perpendicular were; he just didn?t have clue as to what a right angle was and he?
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						<p>I would so support any movement &ndash; or even a politician &ndash; who would &amp; could urge this into being-</p><p>given what has (or rather, has not )happened with the cycleway, this could longlasting POSITIVE effects throughout the motu-</p>
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						<p><q>So what is he actually doing?.</q></p><p>He had done his 37 1/2 that week, so he was gliding off &ndash; he had gone home early.</p><p>It is not like he gets overtime for being there and he donates his pay to charity in any event.</p>
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						<p>Dexter, rather than an anecdote, would you try &amp; refute the figures about our current (sans Tolley stuff) accomplishments?</p><p>MOST people gain sufficient skills to be both literate &amp; numerate by the time they leave our school system: there are numerous reasons why a small proportion dont<br />(e.g. undiagnosed eyesight/hearing problems &amp; unrecognised?</p>
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						<p><q>An example being I employed a school leaver who did not know what parallel or perpendicular were; he just didn?t have clue as to what a right angle was and he couldn?t use a ruler. </q></p><p>If you could explain how this dragged down your productivity you'd be answering my question.?</p>
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						<p><q>Dexter, rather than an anecdote, would you try &amp; refute the figures about our current (sans Tolley stuff) accomplishments?</q></p><p>No &ndash; I am making the comment as I see it &ndash; that life is grim for those that miss out and I consider there needs to be greater provision and remediation?</p>
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						And suggestions for how this could happen &ndash; aside from those that have already been given?
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						He was employed as a labourer/trainee &ndash; when you set things up be it weather boards &ndash; roof sheets those elements need to run parallel and at right angles to the underlaying structure and each other &ndash; add to this not being able to read a ruler the right way.?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:08:54 +1300</pubDate>
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						Had any problem with spelling Dexter?
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						<q>He was employed as a labourer/trainee &ndash; when you set things up be it weather boards &ndash; roof sheets those elements need to run parallel and at right angles to the underlaying structure and each other &ndash; add to this not being able to read a ruler the right way.</q>?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:17:16 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Had any problem with spelling Dexter?</q></p><p>Problems with touch typing actually if you are making reference to what should have been::</p><p>"It was a rate that I considered was fair at the time".</p><p>In reply to your earlier question to me and some of the thrust of your recent posts:?</p>
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						<p>It took longer than that and that wasn't the only gap he had that we had to deal with.</p><p>What is your point?</p>
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						<p>@DexterX: <br />Possibly the point is, how much responsibility should an employer have for training their workers, rather than assuming that all relevant training should be provided by a state-funded education system?</p><p>(A serious question, BTW. <br />Presumably some balance point is necessary between the extremes.)</p><p>[? Though, at the same time,?</p>
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						<p><q>What is your point?</q></p><p>I'm trying to work out how much financial harm you suffered, and how much it justifies in terms of changes to the education system, and how much of it you could have worked out with 5 minutes questioning of the guy before hiring him. This is?</p>
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						<p><q>just to get a handle on why this considered a huge concern.</q></p><p>Why this is considered huge.</p><p>Youth unemployment is high and the problems faced by unemployed youth are immense -the present situation doesn't bode well for NZ.</p>
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						<a href="http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m590/hystricomorph/Hores.jpg" target="_blank">Wishes, hor(s)es & spelling.</a>
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						With respect, the greatest problem with youth unemployment is not their literacy.
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						Didn't say it was.
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						<p><q>Though, at the same time,  &ndash; I would be worried if any school actually concluded, of any student, ?We have successfully instilled the knowledge necessary for a trainee roofing contractor. Mission accomplished?</q> </p><p>I feel this is a bit naff &ndash; to reassure schools don't make conclusions on or choices for?</p>
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						Let me restate that &ndash; it's not their education that's the main reason for youth unemployment.
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						Agreed &ndash; the state of the economy and a toxic mix of other factors.
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						<p><q>Let me restate that ? it?s not their education that?s the main reason for youth unemployment.</q></p><p>And it's not just youth unemployment that's the issue, as my 3 under-employed post-grad friends illustrate. A lot of experienced researchers, such as public health scientist Dr Boyd Swinburn and a Waikato Uni fuel?</p>
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						<q>I?m trying to work out how much financial harm you suffered, and how much it justifies in terms of changes to the education system, and how much of it you could have worked out with 5 minutes questioning of the guy before hiring him. This is not to attack you?</q>
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						And everyone should emerge from our educational system with a basic set of skills and knowledge which helps them get about in the world independently able to earn a living and function properly.
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