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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<title>Gee</title>
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						Another sterling set of calculations. What's the chance of you presenting this to the Council &/or CERA?
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<p>as someone who has been cycle commuting for almost 10 years (in Tokyo), i pretty much agree with everything David has written. i would just add a few minor points:<br />1. i suspect the 15k/h average speed is a bit high. i used to commute 20km each way, and i?</p>
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				<title>John Marshall</title>
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						<p>Wow,  I'd just about move to Christchurch for infrastructure like that!</p><p>In case anyone thinks the cyclist pictured is going the wrong way (on some kind of contra-flow  bike lane): those apparent arrow heads pointing towards the camera are actually "<a href="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2011/05/priority-for-cyclists-on-roundabouts-in.html" target="_blank">shark teeth</a>" signaling lane users  to give way, here to?</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						I commuted by bike for five of my six years in Christchurch, and I really can't recommend it enough; apart from a few rough patches like that really godawful week of rain last May, it's fast, cheap, pretty easy, and gives you enormous flexibility in terms of not having to?
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						I commuted across town to Uni in Chch for a couple of years &ndash; can they do something about the wind that blows from the Uni in the mornings and towards  it in the afternoons?
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p>Some very interesting comments here ? just a quick reply to one or two while my son has his shower:</p><p><strong>Lucy Stewart</strong> wrote:</p><p><q>All that said, though, it won?t replace car ownership. People own cars in Christchurch because it?s spread-out, and if they want to socialise or have options while?</q></p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						Compelling arguments, David. To get in ahead of Ian, perhaps we should <em>Den-mark</em> all NZ cities. On a visit to Copenhagen some years ago, I did wonder how how uncomfortable it must be biking on the inner city cobbled streets. They are certainly hard on the feet.
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						I'd actually rather they <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j1PgmMbug8" target="_blank">Norwayed</a> Dunedin ....
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>Oh, I know that wind. As one of my friends said: it?s not just the extra physical exertion, it?s the thought of all that entropy generation and its reminder of the eventual death of the universe.</q></p><p>I was particularly baffled by how <em>wherever you lived in relation to the university</em>,?</p>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>Oh bugger I was going to suggest changing to to living on the other side of the University, sounds like  camp fire smoke, it just follows you around</p><p>Great Idea David, definitly a goer and now is the time to push the concept<br />The only down side is the spread?</p>
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				<title>richard</title>
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						<p><q> was particularly baffled by how wherever you lived in relation to the university, that wind blew the same way in relation to your cycle route. Over four years, I lived south, southwest, and northeast of uni; coming or going, north or south, I was cycling into the wind. Perplexing.</q></p><p>Not?</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						Maybe this is just a physical issue &ndash; as all the students arrive at the Uni in the morning they displace air that flows outwards (or maybe as lectures start the lecturers heat it up), as they leave or the hot air generation ceases it's sucked back in again
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				<title>Lisa Black</title>
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						<p>City of Sydney research showed a <a href="http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/AboutSydney/ParkingAndTransport/Cycling/EcononmicResearchCycling.asp#link3" target="_blank">$3.88 return on every dollar spent on cycling infrastructure</a>. Does anyone know where else you can get a 388% return on your investment these days? </p><p>David &ndash; would you mind if I excerpted some of your article for a <a href="http://cyclingwellington.co.nz/" target="_blank">Cycling in Wellington</a> post?</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<q>Not just a case of "When I was lad I walked to school, and then walked home again. Uphill. Both ways." (Must admit I am all for David's idea, but hope that it includes supplying residents with hi-tech gloves. Still remember making it to 9 0'clock lectures from Bishop St?</q>
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						<p>As a longtime cycle commuter, I think you've hit the nail on the head.  </p><p>One item of cycle infrastructure that's often omitted &ndash; which Stephen noted above &ndash; is safe places to park the bike. That means decent bike racks, which means proper Sheffield-style racks (the giant metal "staples" in?</p>
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				<title>Lara</title>
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						<p>Love the article &ndash; will disseminate it! I've commuted the last 4 years to Canty (and before that to school etc). After the first 4-5km I found my fingers defrosted. Breathing all that cold air into a fast-warming body never got better though.<br />Now I have classes out at Lincoln?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>I actually thought there were still quite a few cyclists when I was down last week ? although obviously it was people going <em>around</em> the CBD. The twice-daily flow across Hagley Park, to and from the city centre, is gone for now.</p><p>I was also reminded what a breeze it?</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Beautiful, beautiful?</strong><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen" target="_blank">Copenhagen</a> sounds great (and like Chch it too is on the east side of an island of Zealand ? hell, we even have the <a href="http://www.christchurchdailyphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/the-chalice.jpg" target="_blank">cone</a> ?<br />so what yer saying is, basically, we?ll be  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsterdam" target="_blank">Amsterdammed</a> if we do <br />and damned (stupid) if we don?t?</p><p>Though looking at the?</p>
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				<title>Fooman</title>
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						<p>Just a few, partially relevant observations:</p><p>1.  Just spent the past week in the Netherlands: <br /> a) Very suited to cycling (flat!)<br /> b) Lots of cycles (1:1 cycles to car in the rural region, up to 20:1 in central Amsterdam).  <br /> c) Helmets not compulsory (see David's earlier blog on this)<br /> d)?</p>
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				<title>Rob S</title>
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						<p>Suggest you push for 'cycle highways' or whatever you want to call them ascribing destinations and names to sell them as an idea that car mad urban planners can get their heads around.Linking them into better networks as time goes on.<br />Already in Auckland I'm seeing a greater take up?</p>
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				<title>Gary  Hutchings</title>
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						<q>One item of cycle infrastructure that's often omitted &ndash; which Stephen noted above &ndash; is safe places to park the bike. That means decent bike racks, which means proper Sheffield-style racks (the giant metal "staples" in the ground), allowing you to lock the bike frame to something large and immobile.?</q>
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						<p>Those racks also make it possible to park on a slope. The supermarket by Waitangi Park has &ndash; somewhat unthinkingly &ndash; put its bike racks on a gently sloping piece of concrete. </p><p>I can't use the staple-shaped bike racks there because, unlike a car, there's no handbrake on my bike,?</p>
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						Considering the vast majority of petrol costs is taxation, wouldn't that figure of 34 million going offshore be a bit misleading..
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				<title>Phaedra</title>
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						I agree with everything you have said.  Cycling infrastructure is vital if more than the dedicated few are going to ride bikes around our cities.  It isn't because people don't want to ride, it is because at the moment it is difficult to ride (and often scary).  I love cycling?
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p><q>Considering the vast majority of petrol costs is taxation, wouldn't that figure of 34 million going offshore be a bit misleading..</q></p><p>I certainly didn't say it would all be going offshore &mdash; I said a "significant proportion" of it would.  It's difficult to find exact numbers (it depends on the?</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						@ David.  You continue to astound.  You can cycle and post comments on PAS at the same time?
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						<p>Separated cycleways are excellent, of course, but bike lanes that are only painted on are still good to have. They do stop drivers from cutting too close. Essentially, they resolve the whole stupid thing a lot of drivers have in their minds that cyclists shouldn't be blocking "their" road. </p><p>For?</p>
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						<p><q>I can't use the staple-shaped bike racks there because, unlike a car, there's no handbrake on my bike, but I can hook my handlebars in front of the Bikerakk 'handlebar' and my bike stays in place very well.</q></p><p>Have you tried locking the back wheel by rotating the pedal backward?</p>
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				<title>JackElder</title>
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						<p><q>Separated cycleways are excellent, of course, but bike lanes that are only painted on are still good to have. They do stop drivers from cutting too close. Essentially, they resolve the whole stupid thing a lot of drivers have in their minds that cyclists shouldn?t be blocking ?their? road.</q></p><p>Yup.?</p>
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						Consider too that buying/owning/running a car in Denmark is considerably more expensive than in NZ (no cheap Jap imports, eye-watering road and petrol taxes, etc). Plus you have to be 18 (as in every civilised country) to drive. This alone would encourage cycling too (and cut the child/teen obesity rate)
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				<title>Hayden East</title>
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						The least Christchurch deserves is sensible, positive outcomes like this. I've passed this article on to my Dad who is doing some work with the council on temporary and long term public transport plans/solutions.
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						<p><q>For Chch, I have to ask: Were bikes handy immediately after the quakes? They?re not going to get bogged down, or stuck in a crack, and you can walk them through any ruined areas.</q></p><p>Yes, bikes could get around some obstacles more easily (and clogged up the roads less, which?</p>
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						<p>I'd be all for it too &ndash; more cycle paths like the one along Matai St West, between the railway line &amp; Chch Boys would be excellent.</p><p>I currently commute about 7km each way in around 25-30 minutes, which is only about 5 minutes longer than driving the same route. Since?</p>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j1PgmMbug8 " target="_blank"> Norwayed</a>  Brilliant. Wellington Wellington Wellington. All over it!!</p><p>Upright <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYajXN4pPHI " target="_blank"> "joy riding"</a> is a lot better around the city. Especially when you add the basket to the front!! </p><p>Note the near complete lack of helmets!!!!!  168 (+- 2) cyclists went past and there were 7 (+-2) with?</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>More integration with public transport would be good to have ? bike racks on buses, for instance, or good secure racks at train stations and major bus nexuses. By secure I mean under the standard video surveillance.</q></p><p>Secure racks in the central city were the biggest problem I had in?</p>
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						There was a fascinating programme on TV7 (of course) a few weeks ago about the rental bike scheme in Paris. They had thought through all the problems that had arisen in other cities and come up with innovative answers and their system seems foolproof, vandalproof and sustainable. For the few?
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						Safe helmetless cycling requires good cycling infrastructure &ndash; I would be happy to cycle with no helmet in Copenhagen, but on <a href="http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&amp;source=s_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=Ellerslie-Panmure+Highway,+Mount+Wellington,+Auckland&amp;aq=0&amp;sll=-41.244772,172.617188&amp;sspn=47.562215,77.080078&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=Ellerslie-Panmure+Hwy,+Auckland&amp;ll=-36.898739,174.850545&amp;spn=0.024916,0.053988&amp;z=15&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=-36.898774,174.850668&amp;panoid=9BdVanPhkdsA9cNrnyApEg&amp;cbp=12,122.01,,0,5.58" target="_blank">my commute</a> as it stands? No freakin' way.
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				<title>Lisa Black</title>
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						My bike is a <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54128677@N04/5349298947/in/photostream" target="_blank">mixte frame</a> (hurrah for riding in a dress!), so the lock has to go further to loop through the frame. Plus I stick it through the front loop of my <a href="http://www.brooksengland.com/en/Shop_ProductPage.aspx?cat=saddles+-+city+%26+heavy+duty&amp;prod=B190" target="_blank">Brooks B190</a>. That means it's hard to control the chain tension so it doesn't really help with?
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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						<p>Apologies if anyone has already linked to this, but here is <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2490401/david-haywood.asx" target="_blank">David talking to Kathryn</a>.</p><p>(And sounding So. Freaking. Clever)</p>
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				<title>Alice Ronald</title>
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						Totally agree &ndash; improving the infrastructure to minimise the likelihood of crashes means we'd do away with the need for helmets in the first place, which would likely make cycling a more attractive option for some people. It would also remove the need for a lot of the hi-vis gear?
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						<p><q>More integration with public transport would be good to have &ndash; bike racks on buses</q></p><p>I understand that current efforts to implement these are running into opposition from the bus companies in Auckland. You might like to let them (and the Council) know you'd use them.</p>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q> David talking to Kathryn.</p><p>(And sounding So. Freaking. Clever)</q></p><p>Not AGAIN! ;-)</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>I suspect that a lot of people in CHC live their precisely because they can drive everywhere with minimal (by world standards) congestion. They'd take some convincing to switch to bikes.</p><p>But then, National have left Christhchurch more or less a dictatorship. A future lab/green government could implement a cycling?</p>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p><q>But then, National have left Christhchurch more or less <strong>led by a strong executive to facilitate the tough decisions</strong>. A future lab/green <strong>totalitarian tree-hugging communist nanny-state</strong> could implement a cycling city under CERA with minimal consultation.</q></p><p>FTFY.</p>
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				<title>DaveC</title>
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						<p>Painted cycle lanes do increase cyclist safety. Segregated cycleways that have road intersections are often no better from a safety point of view, and in some cases worse, than cyclists using the road. <a href="http://www.cyclecraft.co.uk/digest/research.html" target="_blank">http://www.cyclecraft.co.uk/digest/research.html</a></p><p>Measures like creating and enforcing no-parking zones in bike lanes on arterials, advanced stop lines at?</p>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<p><q>But we can't afford a gold-plated solution.</q><br />of course, everything ever built in nz has to be done on the cheap and be reliant on no. 8 fencing wire.</p>
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				<title>Patrick Morgan</title>
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						<p>Great analysis David.<br />More people cycling more often = saves money, boosts health, more resilience, more fun. What?s not to like?<br /> <a href="http://can.org.nz" target="_blank">Cycling Advocates Network</a> is working hard on bringing this vision to  <a href="http://spokes.org.nz/" target="_blank">Chch</a>, and elsewhere. Check us out. Help us to help you. </p><p>What do we want?<br />1. Connected cycleways?</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Wheel low-lifes?</strong><br /><q>Secure racks in the central city were the biggest problem I had in Christchurch</q><br />I?ve lost a couple of bikes over the years <br />to ?people? with bolt cutters,  ?sigh.</p><p><br /><strong>Wheel world solutions?</strong></p><p>?back in the ?70s the PYM (Progressive Youth Movement) suggested a free white bike scheme for?</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p><q>everything ever built in nz has to be done on the cheap and be reliant on no. 8 fencing wire.</q></p><p>Reckon. This country?s flimsy, provisional, hesitant, half-arsed approach to so much work, public and private, makes me sad.</p>
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						<p><q>no. 8 fencing wire.</q></p><p>Note: discontinued 30 years ago. :)</p>
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						What about free adult learn-to-ride lessons for those who never did (such as those who grew up in hilly places)?
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						Hmm, good point. I had a friend at school who never learnt to ride &ndash; she lived on a farm & rode her pony/horse everywhere so didn't have a need. Learn-to-ride in conjunction with some basic maintenance tips (how to fix a puncture etc) would be a great confidence builder for?
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						<p><q>What about free adult learn-to-ride lessons for those who never did (such as those who grew up in hilly places)?</q></p><p>This is something that often gets forgotten. It wasn't so hard for me to step up my riding because I've ridden on and off since childhood &mdash; and learned urban?</p>
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						<p><q>Unfortunately Jack is right. The back wheel sticks out further into the road than I'm comfortable with if I jam the pedal against the upright support</q></p><p>That wasn't what I was suggesting, though. I meant the trick of putting your side stand down and counter-rotating the pedal to it. Most?</p>
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						Also, having bitched about Auckland's hilly terrain, I should acknowledge how great it is to have a city full of boutique volcanoes to play on. I just nipped up Mt Albert, which is a really excellent way to get up a sweat without having to ride too far from home.
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						Which is where the Dutch system comes in &ndash; Those bikes in Amsterdam are certainly not state of the art, but they are sturdy and practical in being able carry loads (be it children or shopping), and of course the Dutch don't feel the need to dress in lycra otr?
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						<p><strong>Sulphur, so good...</strong><br /><q>...a city full of boutique volcanoes to play on. I just nipped up Mt Albert, which is a really excellent way to get up a sweat without having to ride too far from home.</q><br />like some kind of a Fumarole Playing Game?<br />whizzing along the avatarmac...</p>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p><q>painted cycle lanes do increase cyclist safety. Segregated cycleways that have road intersections are often no better from a safety point of view, and in some cases worse, than cyclists using the road.</q></p><p>Sorry that probably wasn?t clear, DaveC.  I was referring to CHCH cycle lanes.  Lots of that cycle?</p>
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						<p>Excellent post, David.  When my wife lived in Christchurch, she used to ride everywhere.  So nice not to have hills to worry about.</p><blockquote><p>I just nipped up Mt Albert, which is a really excellent way to get up a sweat without having to ride too far from home.</p></blockquote><p>I __love__?</p>
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						<q>Just started a job in Fanshawe St, and am in the process of identifying the least-risky way to get here. Assuming I take the Northwestern Cycleway, how bad is the traffic once I get to Newton Road. I think nipping through Western Park and then heading past the Birdcage and?</q>
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						<p>Re the shower/change facilities at workplaces &ndash; how do people usually make this work?  As in, how do you get your corporate worky clothes to said facilities &ndash; drive once a week or something?</p><p>Current workplace is well setup for this sort of thing and not that far from home?</p>
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						<p><q>but open to suggestions.</q></p><p>I'd suggest staying on Ponsonby Rd to Franklin Rd. That's all downhill, even if it's a little further. And both roads are pretty safe &ndash; Ponsonby is 40km/h zone so you can pretty much just take a lane and hold it. Coming down Franklin you'll hit?</p>
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						<p><q>But we can't afford a gold-plated solution.</p><p>of course, everything ever built in nz has to be done on the cheap and be reliant on no. 8 fencing wire.</q></p><p>"For the cost of a single mile of freeway we now have a bike infrastructure." Sam Adams, Mayor of Portland, Oregon?</p>
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						<p>I ride every day in Sydney from Bondi to Potts Point, about 9km (and if you think NZ drivers are bad you ought to try the urban assault vehicle run through the eastern suburbs here!)</p><p>Sydney has been undertaking a massive bikelane project for a few years with huge results.?</p>
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				<title>Alice Ronald</title>
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						A former workmate would drive once a week or drop by on the weekend with his clothes for the week. I have Ortlieb panniers &ndash; if I leave a sponge bag & 1-2 pairs of shoes at work I can get away with only using one to carry a day's clothes?
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p>Changing into lycra is quite simple and quick:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfGlhj12q-g" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfGlhj12q-g</a></p>
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				<title>Gregor Ronald</title>
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						Re Christchurch's cycling tradition, I remember my first trip to Christchurch as a kid in the 50s &ndash; my father took me into the Square at 5pm just to watch the huge tidal wave of cyclists that poured through the central city and on to the suburbs. It left a?
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p><q><br />Which is where the Dutch system comes in &ndash; Those bikes in Amsterdam are certainly not state of the art, but they are sturdy and practical in being able carry loads (be it children or shopping), and of course the Dutch don't feel the need to dress in lycra otr?</q></p>
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						To be more positive and constructive, retailers need to be sat down, told what's going to happen, and invited to participate. I'm sure those who did decide to stock the right stuff would be rewarded with sales.
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				<title>Fraserhead</title>
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						<p>Thanks David</p><p>That was me who used the term "Copenhagenize" (<a href="http://www.shareanidea.org.nz/idea/12772.aspx)" target="_blank">http://www.shareanidea.org.nz/idea/12772.aspx)</a> though I noticed a few other people did mention "Copenhagen", and of course thousands called for a better cycling infrastructure.</p><p>At a time when I feel quite jaded and pessimistic about the future of Christchurch, hearing and seeing people?</p>
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				<title>Lisa Black</title>
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						Sometimes they just won't believe the evidence of their own eyes. I was in Rocket Bikes in Lyall Bay a while ago and a woman walked in and started ooh-ing and ahh-ing over a quite elegant city bike. Within 5 minutes she decided to buy it. The staff were astonished?
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>The manager told me on my next visit that they were trying desperately to get more because so many people were interested in it as a stylish, functional commuting/city bike.</q></p><p>Tim at our local cycle shop, Rode, tells me he's also selling a lot of those stylish city bikes to?</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>The greatest enemies of popular cycling are those who wear lycra.</q></p><p>That's harsh. They've contributed to cycling seeming a bit dorky, but the high cost of fashionable bikes has probably contributed more. That said, fashion is incredibly fickle, and cost is no barrier for many people seeking it. </p><p>At least?</p>
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				<title>Lisa Black</title>
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						<p>Hilary &ndash; the <a href="http://frocksonbikes.wordpress.com/wellington/" target="_blank">Wellington Frocks on Bikes</a> chapter organises riding lessons a few times a year. If there are any others being run (sometimes in February for Bikewise month) we post those on the Cycling in Wellington calendar too.</p><p>If you wanted to learn to ride we could put a?</p>
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				<title>Fraserhead</title>
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						<p>Too true Lisa. I was going to mention <a href="http://www.velo-ideale.com/bicycles.php" target="_blank">http://www.velo-ideale.com/bicycles.php</a> but wasn't sure if it was frowned up to mention vendors or businesses here.</p><p>The reason I wanted to mention the lovely Dave at Velo-Ideale is that my partner Keiran bought a Pashley Princess (old fashioned city bike) from him a?</p>
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				<title>Bruce Tollan</title>
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						Any concerns the physical effort required to pedal for 20 minutes into a head wind has been solved. Get an electric Bike. I have had a Wisper 905SE now for 4 years and get about town without raising a sweat. we have hills in the Tron. I would recommend an?
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						Yes we bought a <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54128677@N04/5011364746/in/photostream" target="_blank">Civia Loring</a> from Tim and Jason and I'll get a Gazelle Toer Populair when I've saved enough. If there was a shop in Wellington that stocked them I'd buy from there, despite the excellent service we got from the Rode chaps. I even thought about opening?
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				<title>Robert Urquhart</title>
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						<p><q>Now, can I get you to help me out with a way to "Amsterdamize" the CBD???</q><br />I was participating in one of the Share An Idea workshops on Sunday and although I wasn't working on the "Space" aspect I noticed that both groups that were came up with and highlighted?</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>I'm not sure if he's noticed, but this IS a university town...</q></p><p>Sure, but students don't got no money.</p>
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				<title>Lisa Black</title>
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						Oh &ndash; yes, Mamachari! They've done an enormous amount to popularise bike riding for transport here in Wellington. Absolutely everyone has heard of them &ndash; even my bogan-as furniture movers, and everyone knows that you can ride their bikes in a dress too.
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						completely agree with what Alice said. i used to leave a couple of suits and a pair of shoes at work and carry the rest of my kit in my waterproof Ortlieb backpack. if the weather is good (i.e. no rain) and it is not too hot (under 20C) and?
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				<title>Lisa Black</title>
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						I have a feeling he was talking about the lecturers, although I don't know why I think that. Meanwhile, Mamachari keep running out of bikes because they go out the door faster than they can restore them/ship them in from Japan.
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				<title>Fraserhead</title>
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						<p>You're right Robert &ndash; there has been a conscious decision to call it the Central City Plan because the CBD (as well as becoming an old-fashioned term for what is really a mixed-use area) is only one element of a central city. </p><p>And to be fair to the CCC they've?</p>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						in Japan, people who would rather not exert themsleves <em>too</em> much tend to buy an electric-assist mama-chari, these days. they are a bit pricey, but compared to a car...
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						@ Bruce Trollan.  Welcome from a fellow Troner.   Locally, Cycology (grreat name or not?)  have a good selection. I have a newish Avanti (support your local industries!) which works perfectly well, with tyre treads somewhere between those knobbly mountain bike horrors, and the skinny, skinny professional bikes.
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						When I was at Canterbury uni, there was a tradition of powered cycles which looked like they had a motor mower strapped to the front wheel.  Are these still around?
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>Lecturers don't get their own carparks?</p><p><q>I would recommend an electric bike to anyone and can't understand why I don't see more out and about</q></p><p>The good ones are pretty dear?</p><p>Apparently there's mega heaps of them in China, at least in the flat cities. When I was researching them?</p>
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						<p><q>Are these still around?</q></p><p>Yes, converting a bike to a gas powered scooter is still done. The kits are actually quite cheap, cheaper than an electric conversion (most of the price is the battery) That's another pressure on the pedal-electrics &ndash; of course they get waaaay better range because you?</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						<p><q>Lecturers don?t get their own carparks?</q></p><p>Not usually.  We have two staff carparks for eleven people in my department.  Other places, you have to pay an annual fee and you can't claim it for tax.</p><p>Anyway, we should be setting an example--many students seem to have flasher cars than ours?</p>
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				<title>Alice Ronald</title>
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						Agreed on the dangerous. Half the ones I've seen haven't been wearing any protective gear at all, yet are doing 50-60km/hr. I've even seen one who hadn't set up a stopping mechanism &ndash; he just blasted through the intersections on Blenheim Rd.
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						<p>Yeah, it's crazy how many things could fail. Considering you can get a brand new moped which has actually been WOF tested <a href="http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/scooters/auction-380718222.htm" target="_blank">for under $1000</a> from a shop. But I think these kind of devices are more about the mad-inventor thing than as practical transport.</p><p>Edit: OK so those ones?</p>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						Yes, the Tron is almost as good for cycling as Chch, except for the other idiots in their bullet-proof personal zones: <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5086445/Cyclist-killed-in-Hamilton-crash" target="_blank"> two cyclists bowled in two separate incidents today in Hamilton, one dead.</a>
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				<title>JackElder</title>
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						<p><q>retailers need to be sat down, told what?s going to happen, and invited to participate. I?m sure those who did decide to stock the right stuff would be rewarded with sales.</q></p><p>The problem is, bike retailing is a pretty low-margin business, which encourages a fairly conservative mindset. If you know?</p>
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						I'd just like to put in a word for walking. I know it's not feasible for everyone (but then, neither is cycling). By simply parking further away from work, and walking more each day, you're doing something for yourself and for the planet &ndash; and you don't need to shower?
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						Also, on the comment that a bike network is only as safe as the intersections with traffic:  +1.  Very much +1.  It's great not having to play in traffic all the time, but sooner or later you're going to have to tangle with cars &ndash; and those interactions can be?
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						<p>I love walking, but live a little far away (meaning it takes too long), so since returning from europe, have been biking more frequently. <br />Hills are a definite factor. There is a little over 100m vertical difference between home and work. Not an enormous climb, but means not much hassle?</p>
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						<p><q>Twin this with the fact that a lot of people who haven't ridden in a while balk at spending $800 on a bike ("But you can get them at K-Mart for $150!")</q></p><p>Guilty as charged. Then I rode each one and realized that the extra $650 was worth it, to?</p>
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						<p><q> if the weather is good (i.e. no rain) and it is not too hot (under 20C) and you are going less than 10km, i doubt you would need to change clothes though</q></p><p>Yeah thanks folks, when I consider that my ride to work would only be a few kms all?</p>
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						<p><q> two cyclists bowled in two separate incidents today in Hamilton, one dead.</q></p><p>I just heard the sad news today that my PhD supervisor from my Canterbury University days, Jack Fergusson, was killed in a cycling accident yesterday in Christchurch. He was 77 and cycled a lot around Christcurch. <br />Sorry to?</p>
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						Heh. You'll forgive me if I don't apologise. Besides, it's a highly moral act you're undertaking, supporting a Christchurch business and all :)
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						While we're thinking about Holland-ing and Scandinavi-nization, can we have some of their building codes on insulation please?  It's the first of winter and us in the South are sitting with our feet on the heaters to keep warm.  We could re-build Christchurch and no longer have a smog problem?
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						Thanks David. Enjoyed the nine-to-noon summary, however I'm unsure about the appeal of tree climbing dogs. I noticed in Melbourne last year that cyclist behaviour is heavily moderated by cycle paths and lanes &ndash; people get really dependent on them. Even friends with a rebellious streak urged me back when?
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						<p><q>Re the shower/change facilities at workplaces &ndash; how do people usually make this work? As in, how do you get your corporate worky clothes to said facilities &ndash; drive once a week or something?</q></p><p>My work section (Otago Univeristry) has about 30 staff and of those 4-5 are daily commuting?</p>
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						<p><q> I propose a four-legged 6x6m platform shelter with a ladder so you can picnic on top.</q><br />With the added benefit that it could be a <a href="http://www.geohaz.org/projects/sumatra.html" target="_blank">vertical tsunami evacuation structure.</a></p>
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				<title>Duncan McKenzie</title>
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						<p>There is some potentially good news for cyclists in Auckland.  </p><p>The NZTA in its Waterview Connection application stoutly resisted providing a cycleway parallel to the proposed 2.3 km tunnel extension of SH 20 from Allan Wood Park through to Point Chevalier.  Submitters (incluidng the community groups I was the planning?</p>
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						As long as we dont Finlandise Christchurch Im not too fussed.They have a similiar suicide rate to us.This is because like us and Israel,they are forced to wear impact mitigation devices.Perhaps before we copenhagenise,we should ask the danes (and the dutch!) why they dont see the need for this.I suspect?
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Van Dykes 'n' parks...</strong><br /><q>Now, can I get you to help me out with a way to "Amsterdamize" the CBD???</q><br />What? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morey_Amsterdam" target="_blank">Morey Amsterdam?</a></p><p><strong>49cc of raw power...</strong><br /><q>When I was at Canterbury uni, there was a tradition of powered cycles which looked like they had a motor mower strapped to?</q></p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						Finland has some fine policies eg the wealthier you are, the more you pay for traffic violations; you can only buy hard liquor at state-owned stores; and Leningrad Cowboys are compulsory listening for all Finns aged 15 years or older (note: only one of these claims is wrong)
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						<p>@ Ian.  That is what I was thinking of--commonly known as Solexes. It took some courage to ride one--I could barely hold it upright.</p><p>Carrion platforms for accountants, lawyers...and property developers.  Now is a good idea.  If you can't get the birds, Don Brash does a mighty fine vulture impersonation.</p>
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						<p>and to answer your question...<br />you don't see many of them around any more<br />I can't recall when I last saw one<br />puttering along the road</p><p>once they got going, great...<br />but there was all that pedalling<br />and then dropping the motor<br />onto the front wheel, while moving</p><p>there are?</p>
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						The Solexes were Ok but I prefer to go a little more <a href="http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-380695999.htm" target="_blank">Quickly</a>.  Check the pipe!  Shiny.
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						<p>Sorry Gareth &ndash; that may have been me linking to <a href="http://www.velo-ideale.com/" target="_blank">http://www.velo-ideale.com/</a></p><p>I've never met you but may I recommend a Guvnor? <a href="http://www.velo-ideale.com/product.php?pid=108" target="_blank">http://www.velo-ideale.com/product.php?pid=108</a></p><p>Until I can afford one, someone needs to be riding one around town.</p><p>Nice thing about Christchurch is that for most areas you only need a singlespeed :)</p>
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						Actually it may have been Lisa. Will read more carefully next time.
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						And spare a thought for one of my friends, a keen cyclist. His bike is still trapped behind the Cordon....Expecting to get it back god knows when (if it hasnt been looted by contractors or a friendly CD officer...
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				<title>Lisa Black</title>
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						<p>Or both, more likely :)</p><p>+1 for the beautiful Guvnor and I'll put in a(nother) plug for the <a href="http://www.ecovelo.info/2011/05/25/every-household-needs-a-pack-mule/" target="_blank">Civia Loring</a> as an excellent short-distance commuter/errands bike. Alan at ecovelo has got himself a <a href="http://www.ecovelo.info/2011/05/24/on-the-way-home/" target="_blank">Civia Bryant</a> (belt drive!) as a longer-haul commuter and is writing careful and clear reviews of [[http://www.ecovelo.info/2011/03/31/balancing-the-load/|how?</p>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						Blow you Gregor!! I was going to mention that same thing!!! 7 year old kid and all!!!! Yes, I too remember the hoards cycling every which way through and across Chch when I was a kid.  The road was the cycle way. AND they looked nice and wide. AND there?
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						<p>I feel for him. I was overseas for a month recently and I missed my bike so badly that I ended up buying a cheap crappy (REALLY crappy) one just so I could ride a little.</p><p>This is the problem with bikes. You ride, and then it's like crack or?</p>
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						<p><q>When I was at Canterbury uni, there was a tradition of powered cycles which looked like they had a motor mower strapped to the front wheel. Are these still around?</q></p><p><br />Yup. I picked one up from the tip last year. It was in the re-cycle (ahem) place and I politely?</p>
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						<p>And just in case this little gem has not been linked to:</p><p>Wellington Regional Council <a href="http://www.gw.govt.nz/folding-bikes/ " target="_blank"> Folding Bike Deal</a> for trains</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>if the infrastructure is in place, people use it</q></p><p>Voters should note that the current government have just proposed halving the investment in all such infrastructure in the recently updated Government Policy Statement. And that's before their razor gang is let loose.</p>
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						<p><q>(link to my full writeup, why not?)</q></p><p>Ta. Yay for somone raising "playgrounds for all ages". Have wanted to see that for years.</p>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p>I've just modified the 'What sort of cycling infrastructure should we build?' section of this post (actually just restored some deleted bits from an earlier draft).  Hopefully this will makes things clearer in response to DaveC's earlier comment.</p><p>I didn't want to get into the whole cycle paths vs. lanes?</p>
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						Sacha &ndash; in that case you'll like the <a href="http://cyclingwellington.co.nz/2011/06/trafinz-submission-on-the-gps-for-land-transport-funding/" target="_blank">TRAFINZ bitchslap takedown submission</a> on that GPS. It's the most cutting thing I've read in a long time &ndash; Craig excepted of course. It is bloody hilarious.
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						<blockquote><p>I?ve never met you but may I recommend a <a href="http://www.velo-ideale.com/product.php?pid=108" target="_blank">Guvnor?</a></p></blockquote><p>Pashley do good bikes, but that?s a hell of a lot of money for an ironic retro singlespeed.  For a third the price, you could get yrself a functionally identical <a href="http://www.velo-ideale.com/product.php?pid=133" target="_blank">Linus Roadster</a>. Though that <a href="http://www.velo-ideale.com/product.php?pid=115" target="_blank">Civia Belt Drive Alfine</a> looks not?</p>
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						<p><q><br />Re the shower/change facilities at workplaces ? how do people usually make this work? As in, how do you get your corporate worky clothes to said facilities ? drive once a week or something?<br /></q></p><p>The wonderful site <a href="http://www.copenhagenize.com/" target="_blank">Copenhagenize</a> is worth refering to here. I urge anyone and everyone in this?</p>
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						<p><q>if it?s running the 11-speed Alfine rather than 8-speed, I?m going to start saving up.</q></p><p>I understand that's the next release. Next year, perhaps.</p><p>I understand the Linus isn't great quality. Not bad, by any stretch, but for a start welded rather than lugged like the Pashley, and not as?</p>
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						<p>Via Joshua Arbury's wonderful <a href="http://transportblog.co.nz/" target="_blank">Transportblog</a>. An inspiring video on the world's cities, innovative thinking, and climate.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7QCwJV03l4&amp;feature=player_embedded" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7QCwJV03l4&amp;feature=player_embedded</a></p>
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						<blockquote>In places where cycling is normal, you don?t wear lycra. Lycra is for people who want to minimise air resistance and sweat heavily. If it?s cold, you wear your jacket (the same one that you would wear if you were walking), if it?s slightly warmer, your jumper, a shirt, a?</blockquote>
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						<p>i agree, but only if:<br />a) it doesn't rain<br />b) the temperature stays below about 22C<br />c) you are riding less than 10km or so each way.</p><p>also, if it's sunny or quite humid or there are several hills you want a slightly lower air temp to stay not-too-sweaty.</p><p>i?</p>
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				<title>Lisa Black</title>
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						<p><q>Pashley do good bikes, but that?s a hell of a lot of money for an ironic retro singlespeed.</q></p><p>BTW, I might be wrong but I think the Guvnor is a model they've been making since the year dot.</p>
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						<p><q>My clients are delighted, Auckland Council a little stunned, and NZTA rather grumpy.</p><p>There is a lot that could go wrong (NZTA could appeal on a point of law, Auckland Council fail to meet its obligations and forfeit the money), but here?s hoping?</q></p><p>You bloody champion, Duncan. Fingers crossed.</p><p>Give?</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						Like David I work at the University and the thing that stops me riding in more often is concerns about bike security. I don't feel comfortable leaving my bike in a stand &ndash; even with a decent lock. The university has about 10 vertical cages that you can use, but?
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						Lisa, thanks for those offers about learning to ride a bike. Wasn't for me personally. I can ride a bike having learnt on holiday in flat Hamilton when I was young. But I lived on a steep Wellington hillside and every house had lots of steps and hardly anyone had?
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						One good thing about not learning to ride a bike. You will never forget how to fall off!
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q> Lycra shorts that seem to enrage car drivers.</q></p><p>They just Scream "Hit Me" don't they?<br />It cant be an <a href="http://publicaddress.net/fieldtheory/gruts/ " target="_blank"> Underwear Comfort</a> thing, surely?</p>
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				<title>Greg Dawson</title>
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						As far as I can tell, the thread has touched on it but danced away in other (more intersting) directions... I really find it difficult to contemplate going back to the cycling I used to do while growing up because apparently now you can't really ride a bike without buying?
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						<p><q>I am often coming across adults who have never learnt to ride (just like others who have never learnt to swim).</q></p><p>Add that to a growing list.<br />Who, these days can repair anything? who can change a tap washer or a tyre. Or repack a flange or even rewind an?</p>
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						<p><q> am often coming across adults who have never learnt to ride (just like others who have never learnt to swim).</p><p>Add that to a growing list.</q></p><p>Bike riding (but not horse riding) was pretty universal for a certain couple of generations (my mother's &amp; mine, since you so kindly asked.) Swimming?</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<q>so yes, it can be done either way. for people going much shorter distances, the need for cycling gear is very low. if you wear ordinary work clothes you just have to be much more willing to change plans depending on the weather. the cycling gear means you can ride?</q>
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				<title>DeepRed</title>
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						<p><q>You bloody champion, Duncan. Fingers crossed.</p><p>Give the overall cost of the project, the reluctance to just do the sensible thing &mdash; which NZTA has actually done in recent years &mdash; and continue the cycleway along with the motorway was daft.</q></p><p>I believe the civil disobedience of GetAcross paid off?</p>
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						<p><q>Add that to a growing list.<br />Who, these days can repair anything? who can change a tap washer or a tyre. Or repack a flange or even rewind an armature?</q></p><p>The PEBKAC society beckons. >:(</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>I've come across, over the last 3 months, people, of all genders, under the age of 20 who dont know how to cook!</p><p>They dont know how to do anything (well, microwave, yessss.) Boiling eggs &ndash; let along poaching or omletting them &ndash; fuck o dear*</q></p><p>Cooking is one of?</p>
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				<title>Jake Pollock</title>
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						<p><q>WTF? Can we have a thing where we just got to a place in a practical manner without turning it into some middle class proof of worth exercise?</q></p><p>Wear what you want my friend. Frankly the lycra brigade is just happy to see other people on bikes.</p><p>(That said, what?</p>
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						This is a great read. I couldn't imagine a city more suited to cycling than Christchurch. Our new CERA boss is a mad keen cyclist so expect that to be at the top of the agenda. Also pretty cool that we had 4 different reps from Copenhagen around the TEDxEQChCh?
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p>The sad thing about Hayward, being an engineering sciency type of guy, is that he searches out evidence and demands it be used to justify policy decisions.</p><p><a href="http://www.pmcsa.org.nz/ " target="_blank"> He's number two</a> of a soon to be <a href="http://www.pmcsa.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Improving-the-Transition-report.pdf " target="_blank"> growing crowd hopefully</a>.</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p><q>apparently now you can't really ride a bike without buying a superman outfit and being Serious about Cycling.</q></p><p>I ride in my work clothes, as most of the commuters I see do. I have a carrier and panniers for my lunch and rain gear and paraphernalia, and my right trouser?</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Are you all seaty comftibold <br />two-square on your botty?</strong>*<br /><q>In places where cycling is normal, <br />you don?t wear lycra...</q><br />... thus began the rise of <br />The Lycra©anthropes.**</p><p>First, normalcy shot up from <br />a dime a dozen to the almost <br />unaffordable $20 a dozen &ndash;<br />things were tight all over...<br />-?</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Nominal fail...</strong><br /><q>The sad thing about Hayward...</q><br />..is that he is a spelling mistake, <br />Mr <strong>Haywood</strong>, like Google, <br />takes two Ohs...</p><p>yrs <br />Crowd Source Cloud Proofreader<br />;-)</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>I'm thinking you mean the wonderful Gallic invention, the Vélosolex rather than the home conversions...</q></p><p>I saw about 4 of those on TradeMe yesterday. But they're quite a bit better than a standard bicycle conversion.</p>
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						Thank-you all for the kind reassurances regarding attire.  I may just have to do what you suggest and pick up a casual bike, I miss ambling about (that and my recent move to a suburb that is not perched precariously just below the sky makes it more likely I'll use?
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						Wood you believe I did that!!!
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				<title>John Monro</title>
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						Thanks for the article, David, I?ve looked longingly at the way some European cities just seem to be able to get on and improve their cities without the pathological attachment to the private motor vehicle that happens in the public and the planners here. Your ideas for Christchurch are great,?
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						<p><strong>The Shining... the pipes, the pipes...</strong><br /><q>NSU Quickly Moped 1957</q><br />No need to mope...<br />I hear antibikeotics clear up NSU, quickly!</p><p>This beast was born the same year as me...<br />maybe I could get someone to "do me up" too !<br />Only one owner! &ndash; spent alot of the time?</p>
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						<p><q>People who cycle longer distances for exercise and recreation aren't wearing it to annoy you, just as people who wear running shoes to go jogging aren't trying to frighten off people who are running to catch a bus.</q></p><p>nice analogy</p>
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						<p><q>Put a New Zealander on wheels, cars, cycles, skate boards, whatever, and you go barmy. I think I?m taking education here.</q></p><p>Cyclists (and skate boarders) are currently disproportionately young men. That goes a long way towards explaining it.</p><p>If cycle skills are still taught at schools, I'm not convinced about?</p>
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						<p><q>I lycra up on my commute, but for anything under 10k it's not worth bothering with.</q></p><p>With the training you do, I expect you haven't even warmed up by that point?</p><p><q>Who, these days can repair anything? who can change a tap washer or a tyre. Or repack a flange?</q></p>
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						In my Uni days (many years ago now) I used to wear long, flowing, brightly-coloured satin and velvet garments while riding my bike.  This was partly because I liked wearing them anyway, and partly because I figured motorists were more likely to notice me and therefore less likely to hit?
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						<p><q>? Much higher taxation on petrol<br />? High taxes on new and imported secondhand motor vehicles </q></p><p>Too much stick! The carrot of improving cycling infrastructure is a better idea. The idea of putting a sin tax on petrol use causes more harm than good, IMHO. </p><p><q>In other words, a) New?</q></p>
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						<p><q>Via Joshua Arbury's wonderful Transportblog. An inspiring video on the world's cities, innovative thinking, and climate.</q></p><p>That <a href="http://www.pbs.org/e2/transport.html" target="_blank">e2 transport</a> series should be compulsory viewing for the rebuilders of Christchurch.</p>
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						<p>Okay, just making a more detailed response to DaveC?s comments...</p><p>I <strong>really</strong> didn?t want to get into the cycle lane vs. cycle path debate (a perennial topic in the engineering postgrad common room), as I see Copenhagenization as being about getting the numbers of cycle commuters to Copenhagen levels, and?</p>
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						I'd actually go further with my point above, that every kind of public transport should be sold to motorists as <em>enhancing</em> what they do. Because it does. Every person on a bus or a train or a bike is a car off the road, which makes driving a little bit?
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						<p><q>That e2 transport series should be compulsory viewing for the rebuilders of Christchurch</q></p><p>Josh Arbury should be compulsory for them to at least engage with. Along with others who know what they're talking about such as Dr Haywood.</p>
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						<q>Having criticized our skinny cycle lanes in Christchurch, I would still much prefer them to no cycle lanes at all. My personal experience (not a scientific study) is that motorists often become enraged when they perceive that cyclists are on their territory, i.e. on the road. By having a ?declared??</q>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p>So many great comments here that I can?t reply to them all individually.  But a couple of quick responses:</p><p><strong>Lisa Black</strong> wrote:<br /><q>David ? would you mind if I excerpted some of your article for a Cycling in Wellington post?</q></p><p>Go right ahead.  And thank you for posting all the?</p>
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						<q>? Nice architecture, Copenhagen is a beautiful city, most New Zealand cities fall well short. Christchurch has to aim very high in its rebuilding. I am not that enamoured by New Zealand architecture, which is almost universally banal. If you have nice streets to cycle on, it?s much nicer than?</q>
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				<title>Alice Ronald</title>
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						<p><q>It's like the cycle lane is some kind of Tardis!</q></p><p>WANT!</p>
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						<p><q><br />People who cycle longer distances for exercise and recreation aren?t wearing it to annoy you, just as people who wear running shoes to go jogging aren?t trying to frighten off people who are running to catch a bus.<br /></q><br />That's true. But imagine if shoe stores only sold running shoes, hiking?</p>
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				<title>Lisa Black</title>
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						<p><q>thank you for posting all the excellent bike ?porn?.</q></p><p>Heh. Heh. There's more where that came from, young David ;) ;) </p><p>Actually, it's to bike porn that I owe my revived interest in riding bikes. I saw a few pictures of women looking elegant on bikes and realised that I?</p>
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						<p><q><br />Commuting in your normal clothes should be easily possible for most cyclists; I always used to enjoy watching what the Dutch could carry on their way to work. Best thing I saw was a double-bass.<br /></q><br />I think here the infrastructure (to bring things back on topic somewhat) and the culture?</p>
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						<q>That said, what Jack said about dedicated cycling clothing being more comfortable for longer rides is 100% correct. People who cycle longer distances for exercise and recreation aren't wearing it to annoy you, just as people who wear running shoes to go jogging aren't trying to frighten off people who?</q>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<p><q>Lycra and similar fabrics are really comfortable on a bike, in summer and winter.</q></p><p>I think lycra puts off would be cyclists a lot more than the helmet laws. Just putting it out there.</p>
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						<p><q>Yes, it's possible (though hopefully not) that the compulsory cycle law could be the major social obstacle to the Copenhagenization of Christchurch.</q></p><p>I Gandhi this one a lot.</p><p><q>I always used to enjoy watching what the Dutch could carry on their way to work. Best thing I saw was a?</q></p>
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						<p><q>both were wearing heels</q></p><p>Heels are actually surprisingly fine to pedal in (or the fairly blockish ones I like are, anyhow).  They hook around the back of the pedal very conveniently, possibly also increasing the efficiency of the upstroke, depending on the type of heel and the angle of your?</p>
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						<p><q>I'd rather take a few moments fixing my hair on arrival than not wear a helmet.</q></p><p>I presume you don't go in for anything elaborate?</p>
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						<p><q>    I?d rather take a few moments fixing my hair on arrival than not wear a helmet.</p><p>I presume you don?t go in for anything elaborate?</q></p><p>True, I'm more Farrah Fawcett than Natalie Portman.  Just how my hair happens to be!</p>
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						<p><q>Hard to know for sure, the helmet being compulsory feels a lot more intrusive than the non-compulsory lycra. Also, the helmet fucks up your hair, which I expect matters to women a lot more.</q></p><p>I was referring to David's posts about helmet laws fostering perceptions of cycle unsafety. I think?</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>Hard to know for sure, the helmet being compulsory feels a lot more intrusive than the non-compulsory lycra. Also, the helmet fucks up your hair, which I expect matters to women a lot more.</q></p><p>My two biggest problems with a helmet were not being able to wear a hat in?</p>
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						<p>It's both, and they're both enormous factors in getting women cycling. Having great cycling infrastructure in Christchurch would go a long way to making women feel safe.</p><p>The good thing about removing helmet compulsion is that you can still wear one if you want. It's just that you don't HAVE?</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						Yes, it is baffling why some cardrivers throw things at cyclists (from insults, to empty vodka bottles).  What corner of their lives are we threatening?  I recently followed a carload of insult-throwers into a Warehouse carpark, pulled up to the driver?s window and asked, ?Why were you yelling at me??.?
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						From a public health perspective, I think cycle helmets are a disaster. Minimal private protection, giving others the impression that the cyclist is then "safe". This misperception of safety is fatal, and people are killed on a regular basis because of it.
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<p><q>Not sure how you get that cart before that horse</q></p><p>This sounds very dangerous for a start.</p>
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						<p><q>I think people on the whole are more worried about looking silly than looking dead.</q></p><p>Yes, that's why they made helmets compulsory. I remember the poor kid at school who always wore one back when they weren't compulsory, and was mocked pretty much every single day about it, usually by?</p>
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				<title>DeepRed</title>
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						What about a name & shame website to report bad drivers by their number plate? On the condition that there's photo or video evidence to back it up.
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						<p><q>not being able to wear a hat in mid-winter (my warm hats didn?t fit under it)</q></p><p>I have a thin merino beanie which fits nicely under my helmet as long as I twiddle the wheel at the back (of the helmet) to make a little more room.</p><p>I'll be wearing?</p>
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						<p><q>There?s some evidence that even for the purposes of protecting your health in an accident they come with their own dangers.</q></p><p>No safety precaution is helpful in all circumstances.  I know a guy who had a car accident when he wasn't wearing a seatbelt, and was thrown into the passenger?</p>
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						The safety of cycle helmets is something that people take as an article of faith. They are a small bit of polystyrene, covered with a plastic shell, no less, no more. What that polystyrene is designed to do is decrease the force of impact, firstly by compressing and then shattering,?
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						<p>Re helmets:<br />You are much more likely to sustain serious head injury driving a car without wearing a helmet, than you are cycling without a helmet. I know it sounds strange, and that you wouldn't get any motorists into a helmet, but it is true. And this is per capita?</p>
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						<p><q> I think most accidents occur when motorists simply haven?t seen a cyclist.</q></p><p>Indeed.  I often think that the main thing keeping me safe on the roads is the high cost of panelbeating;  people have an abstract interest in keeping me alive, but a concrete interest in their paintwork.  Even in?</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>After mucking around for ages searching for the hole, I realized all that was wrong with it was that she had not understood how to operate the hand pump, and it was just a bit flat.</q></p><p>That just sounds soo wrong, the incompetence these days is astounding.</p>
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				<title>Alice Ronald</title>
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						Considering the ineptitude I've experienced at a local bike shop recently, it's not that surprising.
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						<p>Hat's off to those who do cycle commute in Auckland, I am simply not brave enough.  Done plenty of on and off road riding, but things like Mt Wellington hwy and Pakuranga hwy are simply to daunting.</p><p>PS:  Can we please have a Coco's in NZ!!!</p><p>[(<a href="http://www.cocosvariety.com/)" target="_blank">http://www.cocosvariety.com/)</a>]</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>The safety of cycle helmets is something that people take as an article of faith.</q></p><p>Others do research<br /><a href="http://www.cyclehelmets.org/1068.html " target="_blank"> A case-control study of the effectiveness of bicycle safety helmets</a><br /><q>Seven percent of the case patients were wearing helmets at the time of their head injuries, as compared with 24?</q></p>
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						<p><q>I often think that the main thing keeping me safe on the roads is the high cost of panelbeating; people have an abstract interest in keeping me alive, but a concrete interest in their paintwork.</q></p><p>My experience of cycling round Venice, Santa Monica and further inland would attest to this.?</p>
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						<p>Steve, did you even look at <a href="http://www.cyclehelmets.org/1068.html" target="_blank">the page you were linking to</a>? I do not think it means what you think it means.</p><p>ETA: It appears you are endorsing Thompson, Rivara &amp; Thompson 1989, rather than the counter-arguments made by BHRF on that page an the rest of the site, but?</p>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p><q>So, helmets for car passengers too?. Now who is going to get sniggered at?.</q></p><p>I remember a bloke in Auckland way back in the early 70s who drove around with a helmet on in his car, he insisted his passengers wore one to. He even made TV and the newspaper.?</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Steve, did you even look at the page you were linking to? I do not think it means what you think it means.</q></p><p>Yes but I made my point badly, edited to clarify.<br />The point I was trying to make was that helmets are ok if you happen to fall?</p>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						<p><q>Others do research</q></p><p>And this research seems very strongly contested. The stats you source are from a 1989 paper. The same authors produced a <a href="http://www.thecochranelibrary.com/userfiles/ccoch/file/Safety_on_the_road/CD001855.pdf" target="_blank">Cochrane Review</a> on cycle helmets in 2009, but which has been criticized for including mostly their own studies. This stuff would take a long time to?</p>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<p>in Japan, motorway patrol cops--in cars--wear helmets.</p><p>cycle helmets are not compulsory in Japan.<br />my own observation is that in Tokyo 10 years ago, less than 5% of children wore cycle helmets (1-3%). Recently, it's maybe 20%.</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p><q>I remember the poor kid at school who always wore one back when they weren?t compulsory, and was mocked pretty much every single day about it, usually by the kids who had cars.</q></p><p>That was me, except there really wasn't much mocking. I did that for about six months, and?</p>
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