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Public Address

Wed, 30 May 2012 10:38:52 +1200

Discussion from blog post.

andin

Wed, 30 May 2012 10:38:52 +1200

In modern conventional economics, capital and labour are the recognised constraints and the environment is assumed irrelevant.

In NZ govt terms that is certainly the way this local modern incarnation of govt led by Johngoldentonsils appears to view the world. But now its about resource and economic viability and cloaked?

DeepRed

Wed, 30 May 2012 13:47:01 +1200

Its not hard to see 18th century slave traders and hard nosed book keepers maintaining their cosy positions while blinding themselves to any consequence, in these present day functionary roles. Just the vocabulary are different.

In this day and age, it usually takes the form of razor wires, concrete barriers,?

Stewart

Wed, 30 May 2012 13:48:47 +1200

Is there any likelihood that the scales will fall from economists eyes and they will see the absolute folly of promoting 'economic growth' within a finite ecosphere?
Just limiting it to a more-or-less-constant level of economic activity might not be enough, but to be constantly seeking growth seems perverse and?

Ian Dalziel

Wed, 30 May 2012 14:01:29 +1200

Not just any port in a storm...
In this day and age...
...there is hope!
Lyttelton households have put up more than $50,000 to buy the Lyttel Piko organic grocery store in London St.

poffa

Wed, 30 May 2012 14:20:39 +1200

Why is the focus on economic growth what happened to the the growth of humanity; to our development as a people. I think economic growth; as it had done until the depression and war, can be the by-product of a good life Pride, good workmanship and a desire to do?

Angus Robertson

Wed, 30 May 2012 14:50:47 +1200

In this day and age, it usually takes the form of razor wires, concrete barriers, bulletproof trucks and burly Blackwater personnel. Also, in the event of an actual Mad Max scenario, narcissistic survivalists who refuse to share and collaborate in the long run can only survive by preying on others.?

Mr Magoo

Thu, 31 May 2012 13:48:12 +1200

You are wrong that the economy will be 4 times as large.

The earth simply cannot support that level of production. There are MANY limited factors apart from energy (e.g. rare-earth metals) that will prevent that.

Dave Howell

Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:43:48 +1200

The earth simply cannot support that level of production

This is a statement which has been made repeatedly over the past few hundred years, and probably the millenia before, and has not yet proven correct. Technology tends to advance to fill the gap and allow better utilisation of resources, or?

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:25:15 +1200

resource for the goose...
I think there?s a good chance that you?re right that the economy won?t be 4 times as large, but I?d suggest that what prevents it won?t be running out of resources, but shooting ourselves in the foot by mismanaging those we have.
I think Russel Norman?