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Up Front: Fairy-Tale Autopsies

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  • Emma Hart, in reply to Russell Brown,

    It's only "20+ hours a week". That makes me feel like I might have A Problem.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4334 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Russell Brown,

    No sign of Kiwiblog.

    How bizarre.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8305 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Just in this morning from Nielsen: Public Address has the highest proportion of "high internet users" -- 39.2% -- of any NZ website it tracks.

    Unlimited and Computerworld are 2nd and 3rd, and The Standard 10th. No sign of Kiwiblog.

    That's a massive achievement for Kiwiblog, no? That it rates highly amongst people who are not regular users of the medium.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7348 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark, in reply to Emma Hart,

    Luckily, in surveys, they always put it as "over 10 hrs a week" so that always makes me feel better.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Emma Hart,

    Not ignoring Sacha's question. Lunch, pondering, etc.

    no hurry

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16433 posts Report Reply

  • Jolisa, in reply to Jacqui Dunn,

    Do you know if they're all separate individuals or are they the same people coming back repeatedly?

    That's a good question; can you separate out the people refreshing a given page to see new replies (which would be a lot of us, a lot of the time, in the absence of auto-refresh), from the people who are loading it for the first time?

    Auckland, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 1410 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Jacqui Dunn,

    Do you know if they're all separate individuals or are they the same people coming back repeatedly?

    To clarify, leaving out repeat visits is what I meant when I mentioned "unique" views or posts or visitors.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16433 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Jacqui Dunn,

    Do you know if they're all separate individuals or are they the same people coming back repeatedly? Is there some way of knowing?

    As Mark noted, measuring the number of absolute unique visitors is very hard, and different people do it differently. Google Analytics (which gave us 40,000 uniques in earthquake month) tends to give a much higher figure than Nielsen. Unfortunately, Nielsen is still basically the industry measure.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18663 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Does PA's tracking distinguish in any way between people reading just the posts, and people reading the discussion threads?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8305 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Peter West,

    Ideas are seldom unique.

    That's one of the hardest things to teach young scientists. They get this idea and are all like "I'm so amazing nobody else could have thought of this" and then you show them the five other groups working on the same idea - sometimes they learn.

    But the flip side to that is you want young scientists to play with new (to them) ideas, because they can bring a new emphasis or perspective that changes the way we think.

    And the same is true in these discussions, you say you were saying the same thing as someone else but you weren't, they were two different voices with different tones and emphasis and hearing both makes us all richer.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3256 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Russell Brown,

    it was also news because it was it was the very last fucking headline Goff and his party needed this week.

    Really? Because this week I saw no in depth analysis of the Labour party list, no commentary on the balance and worth of the people. Oh and I saw the death of the story about what's-his-name and the naked guy. Instead I saw a story about a loud mouthed lout from the west coast trying to suck up and get votes and he probably will.

    I think we all got played. If you wanted to distract AND get votes for Damien O'Conner then you couldn't have done that better.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3256 posts Report Reply

  • Danyl Mclauchlan,

    I think we all got played. If you wanted to distract AND get votes for Damien O'Conner then you couldn't have done that better.

    This wasn't a cunning plan. O'Connor won't win his seat, and in the next electorate selection he'll be challenged by a union candidate and lose. His political career is over.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 899 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    But the flip side to that is you want young scientists to play with new (to them) ideas, because they can bring a new emphasis or perspective that changes the way we think.

    Also, the habits involved in seeking ideas that turn out not to be new are mostly the same habits that can lead to the genuinely new ideas. Also also, for some people, finding the boundaries of their knowledge is just how they learn.

    But it's can still be crushing to be unoriginal, if that is what you were aiming for. It takes a good teacher, or a good community, to give the right kind of feedback, to make your contribution a positive experience. We've all experienced being made to feel stupid for our contributions, otherwise there would not be such widespread fear of having public opinions.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8305 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Danyl Mclauchlan,

    This is my on-the-ground feeling - Damien O'Connor still occaisionally advertises in West Coast print media, but is rarely around, and hasnt a discernible active presence. I'm on Tai Toka roll, so wouldnt have the opportunity to refuse him my vote, but 2 leftwing neighbours are going to be doing just that.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace, in reply to giovanni tiso,

    Giovanni, nice to see you back in your regular place on the internet.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 2024 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    It didn't help that he was an enormous arse as well.

    He was an enormous arse yet he was offended by being called "from the south of a bridge"?

    If it was, then for this thread as I write, that's 87 posts out of 1888 views - or about 1 writing for every 22 readings.

    I presume there will be some duplication in the views. I will have viewed some threads on three or four different computers (I presume it can tell when I move from page to page in the thread and ignore that), some while not logged in. So your 1888 views might actually be... 500 people viewing some part of the thread.

    Because this week I saw no in depth analysis of the Labour party list, no commentary on the balance and worth of the people.

    Pundit.co.nz has got two good (somewhat contrasting) posts and analysis of the common perception and media reporting of the Labour list.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6157 posts Report Reply

  • Jacqui Dunn, in reply to BenWilson,

    We’ve all experienced being made to feel stupid for our contributions

    My feeling of stupidity is generally self-induced, right after I've hit "post", but before I've caught up with the rest of the thread.

    Deepest, darkest Avondale… • Since Jul 2010 • 585 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Jacqui Dunn,

    after I've hit "post", but before I've caught up with the rest of the thread

    That's an interesting approach

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16433 posts Report Reply

  • RaggedJoe,

    - so I don't look like a fool if I jump into a thread where I'm not competent to add anything enlightening
    - usually one of the regular contributors says what I was thinking, but in a far better manner then my posts can – and the thread has progressed by the time I finish typing my less adequate response
    - Its just so addictive that I could easily lose most of my productive time in reading and responding

    Pretty much somes it up for this lurker as well. I struggle to stay up to date just reading a few posts and discussions, I have no idea how some of the regulars have time to contrbute to PAS and do almost anything else!

    I type poorly and inaccurately, so lack of auto spell check combined with the high standards set here means any contribution I might make is at least late if not completely redundant.

    Hats off to all regulars, might not always agree, but enjoy the discussion, which I guess is the point.

    City of Sales • Since Sep 2008 • 60 posts Report Reply

  • Andre Alessi, in reply to Jacqui Dunn,

    My feeling of stupidity is generally self-induced, right after I've hit "post", but before I've caught up with the rest of the thread.

    I've accepted that that's my default setting here. Mostly it's something I like, but if my ego's taken a bit of a bruising from other sources I'm often not in the mood enough to post anything substantial because I know I won't deal well with the feeling of inadequacy. I think that speaks more to the general quality and expertise of the PAS contributors than it does to anything about me personally. Although I may just be a horrible idiot and everyone I have ever met since childhood has been too nice to tell me!

    Well, barring a couple of ex girlfriends, anyway.

    Devonport, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 856 posts Report Reply

  • Danyl Mclauchlan,

    This is weird. This link, emailed to me by another PAS regular is a to a twitter feed called dimsie, maintained by Danielle, who I know is a regular here but I don't think I've ever debated with on any subject, which has entries like:

    Dear Danyl: you are incredibly easy to fuck with, just at the moment. Could you stop that, because I have no self-control?

    I guess I am easy to fuck with, if you set up a twitter feed which is - I assume, but really who the fuck knows, named after my blog - and post oblique messages about me on it, and if by 'fuck with' you mean bemuse me by how much of your emotional energy you spend on me even though I'm a random stranger on the internet.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 899 posts Report Reply

  • James Butler,

    After lurking for a year or two, it felt strange to start posting, because I felt that I knew some of the regulars so well, but they/you wouldn't know me from a bar of soap. And I've still never met any of you*.

    Mostly my posting is limited by my lack of free time; but occasionally a thread of interest will coincide with an intractable problem at work, and I'll wade in.

    * Except that I'm sure I met Keith Ng once at a 14th birthday party. Also I once wrote off a car belonging to a "Damian Christie", but we can keep that quiet, can't we.

    Auckland • Since Jan 2009 • 801 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to James Butler,

    your secret is safe, etc

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16433 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark, in reply to James Butler,

    James, sometimes there's these things called Great Blends where people can meet each other. If you don't come to the next one, I, for one, shall be sorely disappointed.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark, in reply to Danyl Mclauchlan,

    I think that what that regular did comes under the modern equivalent of trolling. But I'm old school, and I'd just say it was shit stirring. Not to mention bloodymindedness, and also BETRAYAL.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

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