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Mon, 07 May 2012 11:02:13 +1200

Discussion from blog post.

Deborah

Mon, 07 May 2012 11:02:13 +1200

I'll be slutwalking again this year, in Wellington, and this time with my 13 year old daughter. My other two younger girls will be going to the zoo with their daddy. I said that I would take them slutwalking too when they were old enough to explain it to me?

Paul Campbell

Mon, 07 May 2012 11:15:08 +1200

I too came to my political consciousness during the Muldoon years, seems like there was a march through downtown Dunedin at least every month back then (and twice a week during the '81 tour) – I do miss attending National party campaign meetings in the town hall, one seldom gets?

Tom Beard

Mon, 07 May 2012 11:16:36 +1200

As much as I think that Out To Dinner sounds like a good idea, I can't help shaking the feeling that it has a strong undercurrent of middle class "Some Of My Best Friends" privilege. Not that I can speak, of course, being as middle class as it's possible to?

Emma Hart

Mon, 07 May 2012 11:26:16 +1200

where people are more likely to form friendships through suburban neighbourliness, schools, sports groups and the like

I've often described the school gate as "where you meet people you'd otherwise avoid", and that's how I know the people I had in mind when I heard that "on the fence" phrase.?

Paul Campbell

Mon, 07 May 2012 11:32:55 +1200

Up until '81 the party leaders would barnstorm the country's Town Halls, a hang over from the pre-TV era I guess – in '78 the Dunedin town hall filled up to the gods and yelled at Muldoon for an hour, in '81 just after the tour they instituted tickets, only?

Tom Beard

Mon, 07 May 2012 11:44:03 +1200

One of whom responded to my brother's reasonably complex position on nuclear ships with the telling point, "At least I shave, arsehole."

Perhaps he was saying "At least I shave arsehole". Which would give us a very different perspective on the Young Nats.

More seriously, I started high school in?

Russell Brown

Mon, 07 May 2012 11:44:40 +1200

As much as I think that Out To Dinner sounds like a good idea, I can't help shaking the feeling that it has a strong undercurrent of middle class "Some Of My Best Friends" privilege.

I don't think we should get too hung up on that. If having an LGBT?

Tom Beard

Mon, 07 May 2012 12:24:41 +1200

Wait till you're older, sonny.

I am older. I just don't (with a few exceptions) tend to stay friends with people once they settle down and move to the suburbs. It's not deliberate (though once conversations start to stray towards property prices and school zones, I'm outta there), it's just?

TracyMac

Tue, 08 May 2012 10:16:35 +1200

I think I may be very slightly older than you, Emma, and I find the debates about the word "queer" kind of interesting, in this context.

It's always been a word used by our community this century, and more neutral than many. Sure, it's been used as a term of?

TracyMac

Tue, 08 May 2012 10:23:44 +1200

As for the actual point of the article, is there anything about the Out to Dinner thing that isn't a film clip? If it is what it seems to be, it doesn't have to be a middle-class thing – it could be "out to the pub" or whatever. I spent?

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 08 May 2012 10:26:57 +1200

I always liked that Gay Lib badge from the '70s
– "How dare you assume I'm heterosexual"
(or words to that effect....)

TracyMac

Tue, 08 May 2012 10:57:26 +1200

@Ian – that's a classic one. :-)

Emma Hart

Tue, 08 May 2012 11:40:15 +1200

Linking to?

Emma Hart

Tue, 08 May 2012 11:42:56 +1200

"How dare you assume I'm heterosexual"

This is one of my specific 'how do we get there's. Watch your language. We do have an utterly conditioned basic assumption that everyone we meet is heterosexual-monogamous-vanilla, and it comes through in our language.

Kris V

Tue, 08 May 2012 13:12:50 +1200

Watch your language. We do have an utterly conditioned basic assumption that everyone we meet is heterosexual-monogamous-vanilla

Heh... We were discussing the original Ellen DeGeneres show in a UC post-grad media class last year, although I think the lecturer and I were the only ones who were old enough to?

Joe Wylie

Tue, 08 May 2012 13:20:11 +1200

I always liked that Gay Lib badge from the '70s
– "How dare you assume I'm heterosexual"
(or words to that effect....)
The only time I encountered one of those in use was at a 1977 Wellington gallery opening of a gay-themed show. If memory serves the wording was 'presume'.?

Nat

Wed, 09 May 2012 10:34:25 +1200

The only time I encountered one of those in use was at a 1977 Wellington gallery opening of a gay-themed show. If memory serves the wording was 'presume'. There have been moments since when I've had a hankering for something similar to fit the occasion, like "How dare you presume?

James Butler

Wed, 09 May 2012 13:01:06 +1200

We do have an utterly conditioned basic assumption that everyone we meet is heterosexual-monogamous-vanilla, and it comes through in our language.

I think it is even more general than this: people who are part of a mainstream majority assume that everyone else is too, whether it is about sexuality, chocolate?

Emma Hart

Wed, 09 May 2012 13:42:02 +1200

they also make us think that we can make assumptions based on behaviour, appearance etc. to "guess" someone's orientation.

Cf when a celebrity Comes Out, and even quite liberal people will say, "Yeah, like we didn't know that." (The most recent I can think of is Zachary Quinto.) What they're?

nzlemming

Wed, 09 May 2012 16:02:46 +1200

And these are fairly liberal open-minded people. I've found it so demoralising I've actually just stopped telling people.

See, I'd just be all "pics or it never happened" on yo ass. ;-)

Emma Hart

Wed, 09 May 2012 16:41:19 +1200

See, I'd just be all "pics or it never happened" on yo ass. ;-)

You know I call bluffs, right?

nzlemming

Wed, 09 May 2012 17:58:29 +1200

I suspected but had no proof.

Emma Hart

Fri, 11 May 2012 11:49:46 +1200

Adding as a comment here a post I just made at The Lady Garden:

It?s not often that your opposition tells you exactly what you should do. Even less often it turns out to be a good idea. But, and I can?t really believe I?m saying this, John Key is?

Hebe

Fri, 11 May 2012 12:01:50 +1200

Emma you're helping make it better.

TracyMac

Fri, 11 May 2012 12:58:00 +1200

Picking up on the assumptions thing, it's interesting. I'm currently officially out at this job, but I wasn't at my last. However, I was out about being poly in my last job, and not so much at this one. So yeah, go figure. Not wanting to completely put myself beyond?

Gee

Sat, 12 May 2012 12:22:58 +1200

okay so this is tangential but have just found a new site aimed at stopping victim-blaming and slut-shaming

DeepRed

Sat, 12 May 2012 14:45:48 +1200

John Armstrong of the Granny notices a glaring gender inconsistency among recent welfare reform changes. One would think Minister Bennett would apply her ?tough love? to deadbeat dads as much as DPB mothers. Do the usual suspects really think child support collectors would be greeted with a 12-gauge at the front?

David Hood

Sat, 12 May 2012 16:31:46 +1200

Just on children in protests, I found this story (from recent Russian protests) well worth a read. To repeat here the bit I read out aloud to the household
There was a phalanx of riot police on this bridge, too, blocking another route to the Kremlin. In front of them?

Lilith __

Mon, 14 May 2012 11:35:55 +1200

Minister Bennett would apply her ?tough love? to deadbeat dads

Quite. And I hate how Bennett uses the rhetoric of reproductive choice to say that women have to take charge of contraception because men are too unreliable!

Bennett said because women were most affected by pregnancy, they needed the support.?