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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 10:57:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p><q>It doesn?t cease to matter just because you can?t punch people in the face over the internet. (You can?t. Seriously, you can?t.)</q></p><p>You know what? There's a business model for the new economy right there.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 10:57:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						So do people adjust their behaviour to a "level of risk" depending on the environment. Not just are they more open in some "safer" environments but rather do we each have a level of risk we actively <em>want</em> to take. So in a safer environment we push the boundaries to?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:15:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p><q>I know people who would much rather be punched in the face than have an idea exposed as incorrect.</q></p><p>I think this is common enough &ndash; it's probably the root cause of all armed conflict.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:25:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Not just are they more open in some "safer" environments but rather do we each have a level of risk we actively want to take. So in a safer environment we push the boundaries to achieve our desired risk level?</q></p><p>That is a really interesting question, and given it's about?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:29:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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						<p><q>So do people adjust their behaviour to a ?level of risk? depending on the environment.</q></p><p>Completely. One of the things currently exercising the Women of Wellington is <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/6557999/Assault-on-woman-in-problem-spot-alley" target="_blank">this delightful story</a> in the Dom Post. (Deborah's excellent analysis of why it's problematic <a href="http://beefaerie.wordpress.com/2012/03/12/compare-and-contrast/" target="_blank">here</a>, so we don't have to litigate it all?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:41:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						Thing is that the risk assessment is two-way. People who behave badly online &ndash; your persistent propositioner, Kiwiblog trolls, geeks flaming each other over minor differences between Linux distros &ndash; feel empowered to do this because it is safe <em>for them</em>. The person hitting on you (hopefully) knows that he/she?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:57:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:18:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>feel empowered to do this because it is safe for them.</q></p><p>Absolutely. And I'm now considering the idea that the job of active moderation is to shift the balance of power. So a 'safe space' is safe for the people who (actively, as a community) make it. A sex-pos feminist?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:34:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p><q>Our ability to assess risk is actually pretty bloody terrible.</q></p><p>Hence the need for an Internet Face-Punching Service. People's risk-assessment abilities would improve quite quickly methinks.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:44:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>One of the scariest things I've had to do this year is find a medical professional I could trust in a context where I would have to reveal my sub identity.</q></p><p>That must have been very hard indeed. I'm curious whether you ended up with a man or a woman?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:47:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Hence the need for an Internet Face-Punching Service. </q></p><p>*knockknockknock*</p><p>"Hello?"</p><p>"Yeah, hi, are you 'libman496nz?"</p><p>"Um, yeah..."</p><p>"And did you say, 'Not that it's her fault or anything but she made the decision to be out alone at 2am, and she was probably drunk and dressed like a slag, I'm?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:49:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>I'm curious whether you ended up with a man or a woman?</q></p><p>A woman. I don't know that it would have made all that much difference. She was not... hugely comfortable or supportive, but she wasn't actively obstructive, either. </p><p>In the US, where communities are bigger by dint of sheer?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:53:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Roger</title>
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						<p><q>So do people adjust their behaviour to a ?level of risk? depending on the environment</q></p><p>There is a very interesting book by Gerald Wilde called Target Risk, which talks about this at length and calls it 'risk homeostasis'.  Amongst a number of examples it presents a study where half a?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:07:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>'risk homeostasis'</q></p><p>That's kind of the thing I was getting at. Rather than Megan's point about not daring to enter the stuff comments, a sentiment clearly based on intelligence rather than fear, but instead suggesting that a person might naturally adopt set level of risk regardless of the absolute level?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:36:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p><q> But when in her local S&amp;M dungeon would shock 70% of the participants by saying ?</q></p><p>"So I was at my knitting circle yesterday..."</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:43:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Morgan Nichol</title>
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						<q>One of the scariest things I've had to do this year is find a medical professional I could trust in a context where I would have to reveal my sub identity. No, I don't like being called an idiot. It's quite a lot scarier to feel that I might not?</q>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:45:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>As a white male who's been writing on the internet under his own name for ever, risk in this context isn't much of a factor for me.</p><p>The exception? Sometimes, feminist blog discussions. That's the only time where I can be interested in the discussion, feel I have something to?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:55:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Also: most-commonly cited reason for wanting to contribute to PAS discussions, but  not doing so?</p><p>People tell me they're anxious about looking stupid, or at least insufficiently clever.</p><p>It's actually a bit of a pain for me, because the people who say this are perfectly clever. They're just over-thinking it.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:59:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p><q>As a white male who?s been writing on the internet under his own name for ever, risk in this context isn?t much of a factor for me.</p><p>The exception? Sometimes, feminist blog discussions. That?s the only time where I can be interested in the discussion, feel I have something to?</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:02:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>anxious about looking stupid</q></p><p>You get used to it, trust me.</p><p>It's actually why I love Emma's blog so much &ndash; I feel stupider here than most places. That sounds odd but when you say something stupid here you usually learn something and you generally don't get abused in the?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:08:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Shouldn't doctors just do doctoring and shut the fuck up with judgey bullshit?</q></p><p>Say (and this is an entirely hypothetical situation for me) I need treatment for injuries sustained in a BDSM session. Shouldn't happen in the normal course of things, but even with the best of intentions, things go?</p>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						Judginess can be real. I've had bad experiences with GPs and specialists to the point where I've walked out and refused to pay because they were overlaying their morality on the medical issues. Also because they frankly didn't understand WTF I was talking about because their life experience just didn't?
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						<p><q>Also: most-commonly cited reason for wanting to contribute to PAS discussions, but not doing so?</q></p><p>Dont't forget the ones who say "But I don't listen to any of that hipster music. They'll judge me." To which I replied "I don't like the Pixies, actually". Then Sacha said "Them's fighting words!"?</p>
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						<p><q>People tell me they're anxious about looking stupid, or at least insufficiently clever.</q></p><p><q>You get used to it, trust me.</q></p><p>I'm on the opposite trajectory, personally. Initially thick skin, but not so much any more. This has almost linearly tracked my fall from comfortably ignorant privilege.</p>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						<p><q>Hence the need for an Internet Face-Punching Service.</q></p><p>Well, there was a stab-in-the-face device suggested at <a href="http://bash.org/?4281" target="_blank">Bash.org</a> a long time ago.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:44:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>the people who say this are perfectly clever. They're just over-thinking it</q></p><p>and over-estimating how 'clever' the rest of us actually are :)</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>and over-estimating how 'clever' the rest of us actually are :)</q></p><p>Pah, they should come drinking with us. Then we're all Brilliant!</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:00:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Roger</title>
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						<p><q>Shouldn't doctors just do doctoring and shut the fuck up with judgey bullshit?</q></p><p>A colleague a few (not too many) years back went to a GP in a NZ provincial town for a medical.  In the course of this he admitted recreational drug use.  The GP 'failed' him the medical?</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>The GP ?failed? him the medical and then rang both his employer and the local Police Senior Sergeant</q><br />Is this legal? Or against the oath, or something? 'Cos it's a terrible story.</p>
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						Yeah, I'd be wanting utu after that. Which wouldn't be hard &ndash; you'd only have to let people know what had happened and the GP could lose half his business.
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				<title>Tom Beard</title>
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						<p><q>Is this legal? Or against the oath, or something?</q></p><p>IANAL and IANAME (I am not a medical ethicist &ndash; doubt that'll catch on), but I'd say that if not against the law, it's certainly a massively strikeoffable offence.</p>
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				<title>Roger</title>
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						No it is certainly not legal, but unfortunately the guy (who came from the town) did not want to rock the boat
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				<title>Morgan Nichol</title>
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						<p>I'm not any kind of lawyer, but I say yes. Privacy Act and Health Information Privacy Code, at the least. So Privacy Commissioner and Health &amp; Disability Commissioner would both likely take a very dim view of such outrageous carrying on.</p><p>I guess being forced into having a GP that goes?</p>
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				<title>Morgan Nichol</title>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>People tell me they're anxious about looking stupid, or at least insufficiently clever.</q></p><p>Which I don't understand, because everyone except the most wretched excrement-craniums is more than sufficiently clever about a whole bunch of <em>somethings</em> I'm blissfully ignorant about.   Yes, PAS can get a wee bit angst-ridden on occasion, but?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:01:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Morgan Nichol</title>
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						<p>As a simple fat white boy it?s really easy to be unaware of these issues.</p><p>For instance the problem Emma related with doctors assuming any bruises on a woman are evidence of abuse, it?s incredibly obvious in hindsight, but didn?t occur to me until she said it.</p><p>But then hearing?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:13:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>My GP may come to the conclusion that I?m being physically abused</q></p><p>And that is the problem of course. How can a GP be certain that Emma is not being abused and so cowed by her abuser that she makes up a story about being a sub.</p><p>Realistically given the?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:18:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Beard</title>
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						<p><q>How can a GP be certain that Emma is not being abused and so cowed by her abuser that she makes up a story about being a sub.</q></p><p>And there are those who believe that subs don't exist, and that no-one could consent to being hurt. Bruises from other recreational?</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>For instance the problem Emma related with doctors assuming any bruises on a woman are evidence of abuse, it?s incredibly obvious in hindsight, but didn?t occur to me until she said it.</q></p><p>Bless you Morgan, you've pretty much summed up why I do what I do. </p><p><q>And there are those?</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:46:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Let's say for instance that I've masturbated my long suffering penis into a red raw and very sore state</q></p><p>It's traditional to come up with a humorous cover story. Vacuuming naked, kitten loose in the house somewhere, had to fix TV after getting out of shower, went for a bike?</p>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>Bless you Morgan, you've pretty much summed up why I do what I do.</q></p><p>Correct if I'm wrong, but I believe that might be the first time in forever that anyone has said "Bless you Morgan" when it wasn't about a sneeze ;-)</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:05:24 +1300</pubDate>
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						I do treasure your experience in these matter, Ben.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:06:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						<p><em>Cis, mpreg, wincest, spec-fic</em> and now <em>sub</em>. </p><p>These are all words I have had to look up after reading one of your posts, Emma. Well, I didn?t need to look up sub, because I know what a sub-editor does but it hardly ever involves physical injury. So in this context?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:22:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>a different kind of sub</q></p><p>a yellow one</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:49:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Morgan Nichol</title>
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						To be fair, usually when people bless me it is more along lines of "the power of christ compels you".
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:15:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p><q>How can a GP be certain that Emma is not being abused and so cowed by her abuser that she makes up a story about being a sub.</q></p><p>There is a GP in my family &ndash; extremely worldly,experienced(nearly 25 years hard yakka here &amp; overseas) &amp; highly esteemed by clients. If you?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:20:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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						<p><q>The exception? Sometimes, feminist blog discussions. That?s the only time where I can be interested in the discussion, feel I have something to contribute ? and not do so.</q></p><p>This makes me really sad. Because you _do_ have something to contribute. It's one of my immense frustrations with any number?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 07:16:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>I know people who would much rather be punched in <br />the face than have an idea exposed as incorrect.</q><br />Sounds like the entire National Government<br />&ndash; Asset Sales<br />&ndash; National Standards<br />&ndash; Off Shore Drilling<br />&ndash; Fracking<br />&ndash; Chch Earthquake handling<br />....</p><p><q>...but as soon as you mix up **sex?</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:10:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>John Armstrong</title>
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						<p><q>It's traditional to come up with a humorous cover story</q></p><p>Billy Connolly has a great one about trying to kill a spider..</p>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>To be fair, usually when people bless me it is more along lines of "the power of christ compels you".</q></p><p>Good to know you're getting your exorcize. A sedentary lifestyle can be pure hell.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>This makes me really sad. Because you _do_ have something to contribute. It?s one of my immense frustrations with any number of feminists websites that shut out men completely. What the hell is the point of just talking to women?</q></p><p>To be fair, it's not a shut-out; more my own?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Having said that, the kind of sites where men can't speak are usually the same sites where I don't speak either.</q></p><p>Yeah, but to be fair I'd probably be on a hair-trigger after yet another round of men driving by a feminist blog to tell the feeble little lady-brains to?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:25:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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						<p>You know, I think in some cases, it <em>is</em> a shut out. If you read some of the comments on that Feministe post I linked to, it is clear that there are any number of women who believe men just aren?t welcome.</p><p>Which if you are trying to cultivate a?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:27:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>* And "own your privilege" is, of course, exactly the kind of language you're talking about.</q></p><p>Russell and I have had a *cough* free and frank exchange of views on that turn of phrase.  I'm in the process of replacing it with "Shut the fuck up, and genuinely <strong><em>listen</em></strong> rather?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:32:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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						That's really long and hard to type, though.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:34:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						"Bitch, <em>please</em>..." works for me, but there are some contexts were it's *cough* unhelpful.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q> <em>And ?own your privilege? is, of course, exactly the kind of language you?re talking about.</em></p><p>Russell and I have had a *cough* free and frank exchange of views on that turn of phrase. </q></p><p>Understanding your own privilege is really important, but I hate it when I see the principle being?</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>all for telling men they?re being</q></p><p> I'm all for telling <em>people</em>...</p><p>I'm also all for being told ...</p><p>I know full well I can get patronising/lecturing/domineering, especially when I <em>think</em> I have something important to say.</p><p>Having folks around who can tell you to pull your head in is helpful.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I see the principle being invoked competitively, or to invalidate someone else's perspective. </q></p><p>Which in itself is a form of privilege (and plain old-fashioned bullying), that needs to be owned and avoided. :)  </p><p><q>I know full well I can get patronising/lecturing/domineering, especially when I think I have something important to?</q></p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I?m all for telling men ...</q></p><p>I am most admiring at the way men get <em>told</em> on this site when necessary. It's good.</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>but I hate it when I see the principle being invoked competitively, or to invalidate someone else's perspective. Or, indeed, any case where a language crime is called to negate the substance of what someone's trying to say.</q></p><p>Also, as Craig has demonstrated above, people don't hear clichés. If you?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Also, as Craig has demonstrated above, people don't hear clichés. </q></p><p>Ouch, but justified. :)</p>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<p>I loathe the competitive call-out culture prevalent on some blogs.  It looks to me like an in-group/out-group sort of thing, someone claiming her membership of the group by showing that she knows how to use the word 'privilege'.  It's rarely helpful.</p><p>On the second hand, we have a persistent commenter?</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p>No, no! You misread me. I meant when you said:</p><p><q>Russell and I have had a *cough* free and frank exchange of views on that turn of phrase. I'm in the process of replacing it with "Shut the fuck up, and genuinely listen rather than waiting for your turn to?</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:07:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>?I think your idea is silly? and ?I think you are silly?</q></p><p>I'll make the point I made earlier. Mostly because it's a point I have taken so very long to understand myself.</p><p>There are people for whom having their ideas described as silly is a <em>much</em> worse insult than?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>On the second hand, we have a persistent commenter at The Lady Garden who frequently turns up to make picky points or ask leading questions or explain things to us ...</q></p><p>Ah, yes. We have had the odd one of them ...</p><p><q>And on the gripping hand, there?s the bizarro?</q></p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>There are people for whom having their ideas described as silly is a much worse insult than having their person described as silly.</q></p><p>Do you reckon that might apply more to men than women?</p>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<p><q>Which basically leads to the conclusion that sometimes you just can?t do or say anything right :).</q></p><p>I give up!   :-)  I'll go back to rewriting my tax course now....</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>No, no! You misread me.</q></p><p>Sorry, angst/insecurity projection there.  What a pretty slip, Doctor Freud, can I get it in peach? :)  </p><p><q>On the second hand, we have a persistent commenter at The Lady Garden who frequently turns up to make picky points or ask leading questions</q></p><p>Oh, I call?</p>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Although people always think I'm an oversharer, they really don't understand how much of myself I don't share.  Ironically, it is only recently that I have shared some stuff that I wouldn't normally. Frankly, I forget about it half the time. But also, I think of it as no big?
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>I?ll go back to rewriting my tax course now?.</q></p><p>I am deeply sorry for causing you to have to go back to writing such a document.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:40:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<p><q>Honestly, IME, and it?s probably a mark of the quality of the men I know, I feel like I run across more women who are unwilling or unable to recognise when it?s their turn to listen rather than speak, because then you might learn something.</q></p><p>On the other hand, men?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:40:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Beard</title>
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						<p><q>Went to hear the theoretically intimidating trio of Germaine Greer, Sandra Coney and Marilyn Waring speak this morning</q></p><p>Did you see the Germaine Greer glitterbombing? I have very mixed feelings about that.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:54:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>I was surprised to hear that Germaine regularly has the experience (such as in shops or queues) of feeling invisible and being ignored</q></p><p>Which does not appear to have given Greer the ability to recognise her own privilege, nor does it seem to get in the way of her being?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:57:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Did you see the Germaine Greer glitterbombing? I have very mixed feelings about that.</q></p><p>Mph, yeah, me too. Especially after I saw the photos. Obviously I have issues with Greer, too, but this? Just didn't seem right.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:59:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>If this happens to these women what hope is there for the rest of us to have our voices heard?</q></p><p>I'd be a little more sympathetic if they weren't quite so keen to dish out the same treatment to trans-women and sex-workers.  Who, with all due respect, are a damn?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:11:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						BTW, Sandra Coney still has an open invitation to discuss her role in the Odd Future/BDO canning.  Thanks for being open, accountable and engaging with the community Councillor.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:15:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						There was an accusation from the audience of transphobia. Don't know the details of the case but something about an academic appointment. Germaine denied it and said the reporting in the media was wrong. Sandra was also criticised for not supporting prostitution (but who ever said feminism was easy?).
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:28:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>There was an accusation from the audience of transphobia. Don't know the details of the case but something about an academic appointment. </q></p><p>So, in 1996 Greer didn't  <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/fellows-divided-over-don-who-breached-last-bastion-1257781.html" target="_blank">oppose the election of trans physicist Rachael Padman</a> as a fellow of Newnham College?  </p><p>Padman herself has a <a href="http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/RachaelPadman.html" target="_blank">slightly different recollection</a>.</p><p>And to?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:44:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/aug/20/germaine-greer-caster-semenya" target="_blank">Germaine Greer</a>:</p><p><q>Nowadays we are all likely to meet people who think they are women, have women's names, and feminine clothes and lots of eyeshadow, who seem to us to be some kind of ghastly parody, though it isn't polite to say so. We pretend that all the people passing?</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:51:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<strong>DELETED &ndash; Just realized the quote from Greer may be extremely triggering not only to trans-gendered readers but rape survivors.  Apologies for being thoughtless.</strong>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						The session was completely full. Next to me was a young man in his 20s. There was a lot of good humour and talk of the importance of nurturing the ecosystem.  The title was ?Where were you in 1972??   Germaine is 73. Marilyn, at 60 this year, was the youngest.?
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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						<q>Germaine talked about a young woman surgeon she had met at a book signing. She had done all the things the second wavers had fought for. But she had walked away from that career as the the environment in the operating surgery and the comments and sexism of the male?</q>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						<p><q>BTW, Sandra Coney still has an open invitation to discuss her role in the Odd Future/BDO canning. Thanks for being open, accountable and engaging with the community Councillor.</q></p><p>Speaking of, did you ever get anything useful from the OIA requests? (I definitely didn't, just a collection of waffle about the?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:24:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JoJo</title>
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						God, Megan, that's so depressing. I have to stop reading before I get too stabby, but will keep the link to forward on to people who need it. Sigh.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Speaking of, did you ever get anything useful from the OIA requests? </q></p><p>"Useful", no &ndash; not in the sense of 'material strong enough to justify doing the Ubangi stomp on the Council's arse, Public Address style". (Am I getting temperate and responsible in my old age?) Interesting reading though. :)</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:42:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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						It's depressing, yes. But I take heart in the fact that people are talking about it, and outraged by it.
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				<title>chris</title>
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						<blockquote><p>?Shut the fuck up, and genuinely listen rather than waiting for your turn to speak. You really really need to internalize some complicated stuff. I know it?s outside your comfort zone, but deal. Then choose your next words with care and empathy.?</p><p>Could I crowdsource a snappy acronym for all?</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Scott Chris</title>
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						<p><q>This is a bit TL:DR</q></p><p>Too Short: Didn't Understand.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:07:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Scott Chris</title>
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						<p><q> It doesn?t cease to matter just because you can?t punch people in the face over the internet. (You can?t. Seriously, you can?t.) </q></p><p>I disagree. The pugilism simply becomes psychological. (assuming you are a regular member of the virtual community)</p><p>For those who flit in and out of online forums, their?</p>
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