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Up Front: You're Telling My Child What, Now?

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  • Megan Wegan,

    The thing I really don’t understand – even were her claims true, which they’re not – is that we don’t keep kids safe by giving them less information.

    I know that mixing toilet cleaner and bleach is a really bad idea, because I went to science class in high school. Since when is the answer ever less information?

    I still can’t get over the column in which she says all girls want an Edward. Whatevs.

    Welly • Since Jul 2008 • 1273 posts Report Reply

  • Stewart,

    Face it Emma, your kids are safe.

    As their loving mother you are their primary source of the values they will grow up with and you are lightyears ahead of Dr Miriam (whoever the fuck she is!) in that regard.

    As far as I am concerned 'Family First' should be renamed 'Family Fascists'.
    Cunch of bunts.

    Te Ika A Maui - Waitakere… • Since Oct 2008 • 556 posts Report Reply

  • Stewart,

    And yeah, that bit about getting a 'Mrs' and a 'Mo.M' is just so utterly facile it leaves me spluttering.

    Te Ika A Maui - Waitakere… • Since Oct 2008 • 556 posts Report Reply

  • James Butler,

    To me, ‘no sex before marriage’ always sounds like telling kids they’re not allowed to learn to ride a bike because they’ll fall off and get hurt, but on their 21st birthday they’re going to ride the Tour de France.

    Plus, not everyone wants to (or could) ride the Tour de France at all.

    Auckland • Since Jan 2009 • 799 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen,

    how you find out what the fuck you’re doing

    I see what you did there :).

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3209 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen,

    If they wanted to marry someone they hadn’t had sex with, that might be enough to make me lock them in their room and not let them out until they’d come to their senses.

    Presumably you'd have to lock someone(s) else in the room with them.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3209 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen,

    complete their PhDs at 35, and realise the hardest challenge lies ahead

    grrrr Thank you for pointing out that the degree which is actually a frigging nightmare to complete is less important than the biological act that pretty much everyone can do (admittedly to varying levels of competence).

    Note also the patronizing note of "yes dear your degree recognizing your intellectual contribution to society is all very well ... now be a good woman and get on with being pregnant"

    So angry now ... words difficult ....

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3209 posts Report Reply

  • Phil fryer,

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    I suspect ur preaching to the converted here, as much as Miriam is "pissing in the wind"
    I raised all my house monsters ( all 5 have degree's) that sexing is as important as food drink,sleep, & variety as important as a variable diet.
    But if u don't love ur self, love is hard to reach !
    It MY firm conviction, that 2 generations, religon free,would pretty much remove sex crime, yea ok, with high speed broadband !
    Sexing & loving are 2 different things, & not mutually exclusive !
    Loving sexing, is alright with most post 60's folk, I like to think !

    Laingholm • Since Mar 2011 • 34 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart, in reply to Megan Wegan,

    I still can’t get over the column in which she says all girls want an Edward. Whatevs.

    The column in question. Good for lulz.

    She did an okay job, in her Close Up and RNZ interviews, of pretending to be just reasonable and concerned, but it took almost no digging at all to uncover some pretty amazing sexism. And remember, ladies, motherhood is inevitable.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4326 posts Report Reply

  • chris,

    中国 • Since Jan 2010 • 890 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Stewart, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    grrrr Thank you for pointing out that the degree which is actually a frigging nightmare to complete is less important than the biological act that pretty much everyone can do (admittedly to varying levels of competence).

    And, you know, it's not as if women in science don't spend A FUCKING LOT OF TIME considering childcare availability and career progress and whether you should have kids before or during or after your PhD or during postdocs or when you get tenure or before you get tenure or whether research science is even compatible with having kids NO WE NEVER THINK OF THOSE THINGS AT ALL, CHEERS, MIRIAM.

    And if you think that was an overdose of capslock I won't treat you to my response to the idea that marriage and a PhD are things you can't do at the same time. Leaving aside the problems with the idea that every woman wants to get...okay, I'm going to go fume in my corner now.

    Amherst, MA • Since Nov 2006 • 2088 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Lucy Stewart,

    And what's so fucking disappointing is that there is a huge discrepancy between women in science and women in leadership roles in science pretty much because of the difficulties Lucy describes.

    To have some dipshit MD piss all over the idea that women should value their intellectual contribution to society makes me so fucking angry.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3209 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart, in reply to chris,

    Thank you, Chris, I'm now as angry as Lucy is. There are some more reasons I'm an unfit mother: I should be in a psychiatric institution.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4326 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Stewart, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    And what’s so fucking disappointing is that there is a huge discrepancy between women in science and women in leadership roles in science pretty much because of the difficulties Lucy describes.

    Well, let's be honest, even if a perfect solution to the child-having question emerged tomorrow women would still be underrepresented in leadership, because of a bunch of other stuff. But it doesn't *help*. And damned if I ever see or hear a male grad student considering how their career might impact their child-rearing.

    Thank you, Chris, I’m now as angry as Lucy is. There are some more reasons I’m an unfit mother: I should be in a psychiatric institution.

    You know that she just actually has no idea what she's talking about, right? Not that it helps, but.

    Amherst, MA • Since Nov 2006 • 2088 posts Report Reply

  • chris, in reply to Emma Hart,

    Sorry Emma, my only intention was to deride her quackery.

    中国 • Since Jan 2010 • 890 posts Report Reply

  • Robert Urquhart,

    Completely tangental, but
    http://lookslikescience.tumblr.com/
    (I can’t remember where I found this, may even have been posted on PA previously)

    Christchurch • Since Mar 2009 • 140 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to chris,

    Sorry Emma, my only intention was to deride her quackery.

    Oh, I'm sure Emma knows that.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18503 posts Report Reply

  • Carol Stewart, in reply to Lucy Stewart,

    I'm going to go fume

    So that's why labs are equipped with fumehoods

    Christchurch • Since Jul 2008 • 632 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Oh, I'm sure Emma knows that.

    Indeed.

    You know that she just actually has no idea what she's talking about, right?

    She's a psychiatrist. So when she talks about locking someone up in a psychiatric institution? It's not quite so funny. And BDSM is still in the DSM.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4326 posts Report Reply

  • Euan Mason,

    "To me, ‘no sex before marriage’ always sounds like telling kids they’re not allowed to learn to ride a bike because they’ll fall off and get hurt, but on their 21st birthday they’re going to ride the Tour de France."

    :)

    Great analogy, Emma.

    Canterbury • Since Jul 2008 • 162 posts Report Reply

  • Damian Christie, in reply to Megan Wegan,

    I know that mixing toilet cleaner and bleach is a really bad idea,

    Is that a sex tip? If so, I've got a lot to learn.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1127 posts Report Reply

  • DeepRed, in reply to chris,

    “If Kinsey was alive today, and under my care, he’d be on high doses of medications. I would hospitalize him on a locked psychiatric unit because of the risk to his health from his compulsive sexual masochism.”

    Dr Miriam Grossman

    Holy shit. That sounded remarkably like Nurse Ratched.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 4055 posts Report Reply

  • DeepRed, in reply to Stewart,

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    As far as I am concerned ‘Family First’ should be renamed ‘Family Fascists’.
    Cunch of bunts.

    Actually, Mike Moreu managed to pull it off without Godwinning.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 4055 posts Report Reply

  • Tamara, in reply to Robert Urquhart,

    I love that!

    New Zealand • Since Oct 2010 • 99 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Stewart, in reply to Emma Hart,

    She’s a psychiatrist. So when she talks about locking someone up in a psychiatric institution? It’s not quite so funny. And BDSM is still in the DSM.

    Sorry, didn't think of that. That's...sickening, actually.

    Amherst, MA • Since Nov 2006 • 2088 posts Report Reply

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