No, but I think it’s simply shitty – and counter-productive – for any politician (or political activist) to treat voters like they’re selfish rubes and gullible idiots.
If anything, I was suggesting the opposite – the hard path of being straight with voters about the day after tomorrow.
I do think that NZers will reevaluate their feelings about the economy when the housing bubble deflates and dairy prices regress to the mean.
Well, probably. But if the great strategy is “wait until the peasants come to Jesus after everything turns to shit custard” then Labour doesn’t deserve to govern.
The Fabians events I helped with two years ago were basically a critique of these same problems. I was disappointed that the ideas aired there weren't taken up by Labour in a more structured way. Telling people that their short-term feelgood doesn't address long-term challenges is never going to be easy, but it's intellectually honest. It's not expecting the "peasants" to come to Jesus.
The economy’s not going that well.
No, it’s not but there’s also a good number of people, I suggest, for whom it’s not going badly enough to overcome a small-c conservative aversion to radical change.
That's it in a nutshell. But there is a problem with long-term thinking.
Haven’t you heard of the Putnam study which shows diversity is the inverse of civic engagement?
To be fair, we heard of it all the other times you've raised the exact same thing in discussions on this site.
Truckloads of data would be nice. Even supertanker full of anecdotes doesn’t cut it.
But you're kinda saying that if you call people and and ask them a list of questions that's data, but if you front up on their doorsteps and listen to them, that's anecdote.
The economy is going ok and compared to many countries around the world we are doing very well, Labour missed this fact and tried to paint a different picture which by far the majority of New Zealanders didn’t believe. I
The economy's not going that well. Easily the biggest influence on GDP growth is the Christchurch rebuild and most of the regions are stalled at best. Our export performance still relies overwhelmingly on world commodity prices (which are now in downturn). We have another property bubble and the dollar is overvalued. (It's significant that Key addressed that last one as a problem as soon as the election was won, and not before.)
But yes, you're right, Labour didn't mount an effective critique on those lines -- although the surprisingly favourable reception for what David Parker had to say at the Herald's Mood of the Boardroom event was worth noting.
I lost count of the number of times I door knocked someone who told me they had voted Labour all their life, but wouldn’t vote for us as long as you were leader.
I had a couple of those conversations with people I know, just casually.
It would be nice to think that there is more to Labour’s leadership contest than whether Trevor likes David or Grant likes Jacinda or another David likes some other David. Is there?
One would hope so.
I may be a Tory, but it serves my interests as a citizen much better if Labour isn’t stuck playing out some political version of the Oresteia.
Of course. But the beltway frenzy is outrunning the number of things to actually report, and resulting in Patrick Gower's ridiculous series of tweets about Chris Hipkins this morning. Then there's the "Left" microparsing every sentence uttered by whatever guy they don't like and writing splenetic tweets about it. I'm feeling unfulfilled.
If this becomes news , then I can stop banging on about it , and head back down the back-paddock, and meditate under a tree :-).
What you you think about summing all this up into a guest post for us, FG?